Romney voting to convict

[Jim in CT]

Fascinating stuff.

[Nebe]

A backbone! Amazing
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[Jim in CT]

I'd bet that Romney truly believes he's doing the right thing.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'd bet that Romney truly believes he's doing the right thing.

That is because, in this case, he is....

[Pete F.]

Yes, in any normal world, the vote would be 100-0 to convict. But Mitt Romney did something exceptionally brave in today’s Republican Party. He didn’t just stand up to Trump. He told the truth.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

That is because, in this case, he is....

What he said.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

That is because, in this case, he is....

That's an opinion. As is my opinion, that Romney is being sincere. As is my opinion (shared by tens of millions of people), that he's wrong.

I wasn't the one saying in 2012 that Romney hated women because he keeps a binder of resumes of talented women. Many people who were saying that, are now singing his praises.

I like him a lot. I liked him in 12, and I like him now.

[Pete F.]

Republican Party just sent out a release: "Mitt Romney turns his back on Utah" + a poll that shows Floridaman is more popular in Utah than Romney + a screenshot of a tweet from his niece, RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel, decrying his vote. Romney was the Republican nominee eight years ago.

I'm old enough to remember the outrage over the citation of a major network's report that GOP senators were warned a vote against Floridaman would earn defectors their "head on a pike."

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Republican Party just sent out a release: "Mitt Romney turns his back on Utah" + a poll that shows Floridaman is more popular in Utah than Romney + a screenshot of a tweet from his niece, RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel, decrying his vote. Romney was the Republican nominee eight years ago.

I'm old enough to remember the outrage over the citation of a major network's report that GOP senators were warned a vote against Floridaman would earn defectors their "head on a pike."

If Romney is such a stellar politician and accomplished man, how did he lose an election he should have easily won? And if he had won, would there have been much of a difference between his administration and Obama's?

Why have Republicans been unable to deliver on the platforms they stand on, yet Trump has been able to drag them out of their timid acquiescence to the Dems, their going along to get along, just sort of slowing down the rush to socialism along with the accelerating rate of destroying the Constitution? Why is there now an extremely visible difference between the two parties, an actual meaningful choice?

Do you prefer a choice between actual differences as between a continuation of managed American decline, or an honest attempt to restore American economic power? The complicity in China's rise to world dominance, or an actual attempt to thwart and reverse it?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If Romney is such a stellar politician and accomplished man, how did he lose an election he should have easily won? And if he had won, would there have been much of a difference between his administration and Obama's?

Why have Republicans been unable to deliver on the platforms they stand on, yet Trump has been able to drag them out of their timid acquiescence to the Dems, their going along to get along, just sort of slowing down the rush to socialism along with the accelerating rate of destroying the Constitution? Why is there now an extremely visible difference between the two parties, an actual meaningful choice?

Do you prefer a choice between actual differences as between a continuation of managed American decline, or an honest attempt to restore American economic power? The complicity in China's rise to world dominance, or an actual attempt to thwart and reverse it?

He lost, in part, because he was portrayed as a despicable human being.

I respect what he did, it's not going to make his life any easier. I think he was wrong, but I respect his willingness to stick to his principles, unlike those who hated him in 2012 and now think he's a hero.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

He lost, in part, because he was portrayed as a despicable human being.

I respect what he did, it's not going to make his life any easier. I think he was wrong, but I respect his willingness to stick to his principles, unlike those who hated him in 2012 and now think he's a hero.

Trump was, and is, portrayed as a despicable human being, yet he won.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

If Romney is such a stellar politician and accomplished man, how did he lose an election he should have easily won? And if he had won, would there have been much of a difference between his administration and Obama's?

Why have Republicans been unable to deliver on the platforms they stand on, yet Trump has been able to drag them out of their timid acquiescence to the Dems, their going along to get along, just sort of slowing down the rush to socialism along with the accelerating rate of destroying the Constitution? Why is there now an extremely visible difference between the two parties, an actual meaningful choice?

Do you prefer a choice between actual differences as between a continuation of managed American decline, or an honest attempt to restore American economic power? The complicity in China's rise to world dominance, or an actual attempt to thwart and reverse it?

You're making the assumption that Floridaman has a clue about the effects of his actions.

WASHINGTON — The overall United States trade deficit shrank last year for the first time in six years as the American economy cooled, domestic oil production soared and President Trump waged an aggressive global trade war to rewrite America’s trading terms.

The trade deficit for both goods and services fell to $616.8 billion in 2019, down $10.9 billion from the previous year, according to data released by the Commerce Department on Wednesday.

Both imports and exports fell as American factory activity slowed and businesses and consumers felt the impact of tariffs imposed on China, the European Union, Canada, Mexico and other nations. Total American exports dropped $1.5 billion to roughly $2.5 trillion, while imports fell $12.5 billion to $3.1 trillion.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You're making the assumption that Floridaman has a clue about the effects of his actions.

WASHINGTON — The overall United States trade deficit shrank last year for the first time in six years as the American economy cooled, domestic oil production soared and President Trump waged an aggressive global trade war to rewrite America’s trading terms.

The trade deficit for both goods and services fell to $616.8 billion in 2019, down $10.9 billion from the previous year, according to data released by the Commerce Department on Wednesday.

Both imports and exports fell as American factory activity slowed and businesses and consumers felt the impact of tariffs imposed on China, the European Union, Canada, Mexico and other nations. Total American exports dropped $1.5 billion to roughly $2.5 trillion, while imports fell $12.5 billion to $3.1 trillion.

I assume he does have a clue. Do you have a clue?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I assume he does have a clue. Do you have a clue?

Just what is the operable part of ASSume?
Don't worry before Floridaman is done he will make an ass out of you, everything he touches dies.

Do you believe the president is truthful? You believe the Fake News media lied each of the 16,241 times they have said he has made a false or misleading claim?

He will remove existing condition coverage, he has no plan to keep it other than lies.

And just think how stupid this Senator feels:
As Murkowski observed: “Schiff was eloquent but he lost me when he brought in the pike story.”

Just 8 years ago Mitt Romney was the GOP Presidential candidate.

Now, his party will devour him.

The Republican Party is dead.

All that’s left is the party of Trump.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Just what is the operable part of ASSume?
Don't worry before Floridaman is done he will make an ass out of you, everything he touches dies.

Do you believe the president is truthful? You believe the Fake News media lied each of the 16,241 times they have said he has made a false or misleading claim?

He will remove existing condition coverage, he has no plan to keep it other than lies.

And just think how stupid this Senator feels:
As Murkowski observed: “Schiff was eloquent but he lost me when he brought in the pike story.”

Just 8 years ago Mitt Romney was the GOP Presidential candidate.

Now, his party will devour him.

The Republican Party is dead.

All that’s left is the party of Trump.

Obviously, you don't have a clue.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Nebe

A backbone! Amazing
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No covering his ass.
He’s got ties to Barisma like so many others.
Follow the $$$
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[Pete F.]

Lots of corruption in the energy business.

Two associates of Rudy Giuliani tried to recruit a top Ukrainian energy official in March in a proposed takeover of the state oil-and-gas company, describing the company’s chief executive and the then-U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch as part of “this Soros cartel” working against President Trump.

“You’re a Republican, right?” Andrew Favorov, the head of natural gas for state-run Naftogaz, recalled the men, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, asking him, after their reference to investor and Democratic donor George Soros. “We want...

But Floridaman doesn't know them.............

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Lots of corruption in the energy business.

Two associates of Rudy Giuliani tried to recruit a top Ukrainian energy official in March in a proposed takeover of the state oil-and-gas company, describing the company’s chief executive and the then-U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch as part of “this Soros cartel” working against President Trump.

“You’re a Republican, right?” Andrew Favorov, the head of natural gas for state-run Naftogaz, recalled the men, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, asking him, after their reference to investor and Democratic donor George Soros. “We want...

But Floridaman doesn't know them.............

It looks like Trump is right. That Ukrainian corruption needs to be investigated. Maybe Zelensky can get on top of it. Get it all sorted out. Before it gets "debunked."

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

It looks like Trump is right. That Ukrainian corruption needs to be investigated. Maybe Zelensky can get on top of it. Get it all sorted out. Before it gets "debunked."

Maybe he should ask Putin what to do next

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Maybe he should ask Putin what to do next

Considering how well our country has been doing since Trump colluded with Putin, maybe he should.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Considering how well our country has been doing since Trump colluded with Putin, maybe he should.

Next you'll get one of those "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat shirts" and claim that Liberalism and Democracy are obsolete.

You should wonder why Floridaman never goes against Putin.

[Sea Dangles]

This proves a lack of attention
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Next you'll get one of those "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat shirts" and claim that Liberalism and Democracy are obsolete.

You should wonder why Floridaman never goes against Putin.

No, as usual you're wrong. I won't get such a shirt. I didn't get a "I'd rather be red than dead" shirt either. And I certainly don't claim that liberalism is obsolete. I am liberal. Most of my friends and family are liberal.

As for Democracy, it's a very nice word. All manner of dictatorial governments also think it a very nice, useful, word. They are proud to announce the results of their elections.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

No, as usual you're wrong. I won't get such a shirt. I didn't get a "I'd rather be red than dead" shirt either. And I certainly don't claim that liberalism is obsolete. I am liberal. Most of my friends and family are liberal.

As for Democracy, it's a very nice word. All manner of dictatorial governments, also think it a very nice, useful word. The are proud to announce the results of their elections.

You should wonder why Floridaman never goes against Putin.

[Sea Dangles]

Fake news
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[Pete F.]

Pretty sure yesterday Floridaman admitted to the very impeachable offense of which he was acquitted:

- He said he insisted on Ukraine focusing on the Bidens.

- & he said he felt Ukraine was getting US support w/o delivering value.

Isn't that basically the quid pro quo he was accused of?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You should wonder why Floridaman never goes against Putin.

You should wonder why you keep repeating the lie that Trump said Nazis are fine people.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Pretty sure yesterday Floridaman admitted to the very impeachable offense of which he was acquitted:

- He said he insisted on Ukraine focusing on the Bidens.

- & he said he felt Ukraine was getting US support w/o delivering value.

Isn't that basically the quid pro quo he was accused of?

No, the accused quo was for digging up dirt to influence an election, not the "value" to which Trump referred which was looking into and clearing up corruption.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You should wonder why you keep repeating the lie that Trump said Nazis are fine people.

"Unite the Right was explicitly organized and branded as a far-right, racist, and white supremacist event by far-right racist white supremacists. This was clear for months before the march actually occurred. So by casting the rally instead as a sort of spontaneous outpouring from Confederate statue enthusiasts, Trump is rewriting history."

It is clear he was trying to equate the "alt left" (his words) with the alt right. He kept trying to blame the alt left bc they didn't have a permit.

So Pete was not lying no matter who much you and Brietbart try to make it about the lee monument. The march was about the scummy white nationalists.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

"Unite the Right was explicitly organized and branded as a far-right, racist, and white supremacist event by far-right racist white supremacists. This was clear for months before the march actually occurred. So by casting the rally instead as a sort of spontaneous outpouring from Confederate statue enthusiasts, Trump is rewriting history."

It is clear he was trying to equate the "alt left" (his words) with the alt right. He kept trying to blame the alt left bc they didn't have a permit.

So Pete was not lying no matter who much you and Brietbart try to make it about the lee monument. The march was about the scummy white nationalists.

The problem with your "interpretation" of what Trump said, is that, in the very same speech he specifically said that he was not referring to the Nazis when he said that there were fine people on both sides. I realize that it is necessary for Trump haters, or Trump dis-likers, or Never Trumpers, to always interpret his words or actions to mean something vile or treasonous, or illegal. But if you can't actually point out where he actually said "Nazis are fine people," then you got nothing, especially when he said that is not who he was referring to.

Let me ask you this. If you claim that when he said there were fine people on both sides that he was referring to Nazis, are you saying that he was talking about both sides of the Nazis? That's gibberish. Are you saying that he was referring to the Nazis and Antifa, that they were both fine people? If so (even though that doesn't make sense) then, at least, put it that way. Actually, he has said unequivocally (doesn't need interpretation) that he disavows both of those sides.