Romney voting to convict

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The problem with your "interpretation" of what Trump said, is that, in the very same speech he specifically said that he was not referring to the Nazis when he said that there were fine people on both sides. I realize that it is necessary for Trump haters, or Trump dis-likers, or Never Trumpers, to always interpret his words or actions to mean something vile or treasonous, or illegal. But if you can't actually point out where he actually said "Nazis are fine people," then you got nothing, especially when he said that is not who he was referring to.

Let me ask you this. If you claim that when he said there were fine people on both sides that he was referring to Nazis, are you saying that he was talking about both sides of the Nazis? That's gibberish. Are you saying that he was referring to the Nazis and Antifa, that they were both fine people? If so (even though that doesn't make sense) then, at least, put it that way. Actually, he has said unequivocally (doesn't need interpretation) that he disavows both of those sides.

So would it make you feel better if instead of saying Nazis, Pete said Neo Nazis or White supremacists since that who was protesting that day (and had protested there a few times prior)? I'm glad you aren't trying to make the argument that there were a bunch of historians protesting the removal of the lee monument.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So would it make you feel better if instead of saying Nazis, Pete said Neo Nazis or White supremacists since that who was protesting that day (and had protested there a few times prior)? I'm glad you aren't trying to make the argument that there were a bunch of historians protesting the removal of the lee monument.

What?!! When did I say anything about historians? And it's not about how I feel about differences between Neo Nazis, White Supremacists, Antifa, historians, or folks who had differing opinions about the removal of Confederate statues. Here's a short video that tells it better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What?!! When did I say anything about historians? And it's not about how I feel about differences between Neo Nazis, White Supremacists, Antifa, historians, or folks who had differing opinions about the removal of Confederate statues. Here's a short video that tells it better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

You didn't say anything about historians - people defending Trump claim that he was talking about people protesting the removal of the monument.

Trump kept trying to equate the 2 groups. The rally was promoted by white nationalist and the list of speakers was filled w/white nationalists. There was no good people there from the right. They were all neo Nazis or white nationalists.


TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?

TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

[Sea Dangles]

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime. His
reelection will enable happiness and prosperity for 4 more years. America 1st has a nice ring to it.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You didn't say anything about historians - people defending Trump claim that he was talking about people protesting the removal of the monument.

Trump kept trying to equate the 2 groups. The rally was promoted by white nationalist and the list of speakers was filled w/white nationalists. There was no good people there from the right. They were all neo Nazis or white nationalists.


TRUMP: I am not putting anybody on a moral plane, what I’m saying is this: you had a group on one side and a group on the other, and they came at each other with clubs and it was vicious and horrible and it was a horrible thing to watch, but there is another side. There was a group on this side, you can call them the left. You’ve just called them the left, that came violently attacking the other group. So you can say what you want, but that’s the way it is.

REPORTER: You said there was hatred and violence on both sides?

TRUMP: I do think there is blame – yes, I think there is blame on both sides. You look at, you look at both sides. I think there’s blame on both sides, and I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And, and, and, and if you reported it accurately, you would say.

REPORTER: The neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville.

TRUMP: Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

You take a slice of the Press conference and neglect the rest. Including the part where he said he was not talking about the Neo Nazis and White Nationalists.

In the confused and combative back and forth between Trump and the reporters various nouns and pronouns got mixed.

There were two different opposing groups. One was the Antifa/Neo Nazi opposing groups. The other had neither of those two but was comprised of people who were pro or con on the taking down of the statue. There was also the entire group of people that included all of the above.

Trump talked about both of the two divisions--the Nazi/Antifa and the peaceful pro/con protesters. The first part of your slice was talking back and forth about the opposing Nazi/Antifa group. The last paragraph, starting with "you also had people" was about the peaceful pro/con statue group.

You disregard that in the same Press conference, to clear up any misconception about what and who he was talking about, Trump said that he was not talking about the Neo Nazis (when he referred to fine people on both sides) and that they should be condemned.

You didn't answer my question. To whom do you think he was referring when he said both sides (good or fine people on both sides)? Was he referring to Antifa as well as the Neo Nazis. Are you claiming that he believed there were fine Antifa people? And why would he think that Neo Nazis were fine people when his daughter and grandchildren are Jews? Did you watch the short video I posted?

[PaulS]

I think he was referring to both side - 1 being the folks who would fall under the white nationalist side and 1 being the folks who would fall under the ANTIFA side.

There were no people there who were only there bc the lee monument was coming down. The unite the right march was clearly promoted amongst white nationalists and that is who was there. That is why I said there were no historians there.

The only time he said anything critical about the neo Nazis was when the reporter would question Trump's attempt to defend the right. Trump even claimed that the night before the march was peaceful.


The night before was where more than marchers held tiki torches at UVA and chanted “Jews will not replace us” and “Blood and soil.” Whatever this event may have been, it was certainly not “people protesting very quietly.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime. His
reelection will enable happiness and prosperity for 4 more years. America 1st has a nice ring to it.
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bump so you can feel like people care about your participation.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I think he was referring to both side - 1 being the folks who would fall under the white nationalist side and 1 being the folks who would fall under the ANTIFA side.

There were no people there who were only there bc the lee monument was coming down. The unite the right march was clearly promoted amongst white nationalists and that is who was there. That is why I said there were no historians there.

The only time he said anything critical about the neo Nazis was when the reporter would question Trump's attempt to defend the right. Trump even claimed that the night before the march was peaceful.


The night before was where more than marchers held tiki torches at UVA and chanted “Jews will not replace us” and “Blood and soil.” Whatever this event may have been, it was certainly not “people protesting very quietly.

I was wondering where Paul Sharpton was hiding....good to see him back with energy

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

I was wondering where Paul Sharpton was hiding....good to see him back with energy

Good to hear your snarky as ever. . Must be fun to hang out with you. Have to leave for happy hour now.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by scottw

I was wondering where Paul Sharpton was hiding....good to see him back with energy

I bet he uses snarky again
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I think he was referring to both side - 1 being the folks who would fall under the white nationalist side and 1 being the folks who would fall under the ANTIFA side.

You can distribute it that way. Trump didn't. And I haven't seen any evidence that Trump believes Antifa are very fine people.

I just re-watched the press conference. His distribution was the pro/con sides of the statue question. And he very pointedly explained that the very fine people that were in either the pro or con side were the ones who were there to peacefully demonstrate the pro/con. And that the bad people on both of those sides were the violent Antifa and Neo Nazis.

There were no people there who were only there bc the lee monument was coming down. The unite the right march was clearly promoted amongst white nationalists and that is who was there. That is why I said there were no historians there.

The NYT interviewed at least one person who claimed she was one of those who came merely to demonstrate, peacefully, for keeping the statue. And she disavowed any connection with Neo Nazis or White Nationalists who she considered bad people. So, yes, there were others who were only there bc of the statue controversy.

The only time he said anything critical about the neo Nazis was when the reporter would question Trump's attempt to defend the right. Trump even claimed that the night before the march was peaceful.

He condemned the Neo Nazis several times in the conference and he specifically said he was not referring to them when he said there were very fine people on both sides.

The night before was where more than marchers held tiki torches at UVA and chanted “Jews will not replace us” and “Blood and soil.” Whatever this event may have been, it was certainly not “people protesting very quietly.

I'm making a confident guess that he would not consider anti-Semites, especially those who threatened violence on Jews, as very fine people, particularly since his daughter and grand children are Jews.

And there is no time in that press conference in which he said that Nazis are very fine people. Nor was there a time when he implied that. It would take an agenda driven "interpretation" to say that he did.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

. Must be fun to hang out with you.


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we have a date...don't we?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I bet he uses snarky again
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he even beat you to it

[Pete F.]

BREAKING NEWS: American Hero—Lt. Col. Vindman—Treated Like Criminal By Actual Criminal, Trump
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[Sea Dangles]

Thanks for sharing Bitchslapped boy but he was not treated as a criminal. He is simply changing his office address. But I think you knew that before dramatizing the event.
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[scottw]

someone is being honest...


“We’re losing our damn minds”: James Carville unloads on the Democratic Party
Why the longtime Democratic strategist is “scared to death” of the 2020 election.

By Sean Illing@seanillingsean.illing@vox.com Feb 7, 2020, 9:5

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Thanks for sharing Bitchslapped boy but he was not treated as a criminal. He is simply changing his office address. But I think you knew that before dramatizing the event.
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Poor Nancy
Keep defending Floridaman
Vindman was not just changing his office address.
In order to make his removal as degrading to him and threatening as possible to all who remain, he was escorted out by security.

Just a threat to any who would dare to speak out against Putin’s Puppet and his enablers.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Poor Nancy
Keep defending Floridaman
Vindman was not just changing his office address.
In order to make his removal as degrading to him and threatening as possible to all who remain, he was escorted out by security.

Just a threat to any who would dare to speak out against Putin’s Puppet and his enablers.
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You love to dramatize.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I bet he uses snarky again
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I'm amazed how clairvoyant you are. You predict what I will do four minutes after I did it. Those brain neurons were certainly firing that day. .
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I'm amazed how clairvoyant you are. You predict what I will do four minutes after I did it. Those brain neurons were certainly firing that day. .
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When that is your only response it becomes predictable.🤷🏿#^&♂️
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

When that is your only response it becomes predictable.🤷🏿#^&♂️
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Now that's a scummy lie because in this thread deutch and I went back and forth. And I'll note that is something you have never done here because You never post anything with the least bit of intelligence and you resort to Childish petty little girlish insults. .
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Now that's a scummy lie because in this thread deutch and I went back and forth. And I'll note that is something you have never done here because You never post anything with the least bit of intelligence and you resort to Childish petty little girlish insults. .
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Um, your response was to Scott but...Thanks for taking the high road.👍🏽
Your Dad would be proud of your internet courage.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Um, your response was to Scott but...Thanks for taking the high road.👍🏽
Your Dad would be proud of your internet courage.
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Says the guy who talks about people's mothers fathers and children.

And you said that was my only response. Not that it was my only response to Scott. . I forgot who I was dealing with here and need to dumb myself down when I'm trying to understand what you post.
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[Sea Dangles]

Thanks for your participation.
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