demographics to think about..

[Karl F]

win..from within....
very patient tactic.

[PRBuzz]

Even Tiger Woods has seen the light....

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by PRBuzz

Even Tiger Woods has seen the light....

I thought he was Buddhist?

[PRBuzz]

The Buddhist are even more patient than the Islamics, China and India will rule!

[spence]

Looks like the source of this video is a Christian evangelist and much of the information looks to be bogus. I'd like to see some real sources...

That's not to say that demographics aren't changing --certainly the southwest will continue to become more hispanic -- but this is just anti-Islamic fear mongering.

-spence

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by spence

Looks like the source of this video is a Christian evangelist and much of the information looks to be bogus. I'd like to see some real sources...

That's not to say that demographics aren't changing --certainly the southwest will continue to become more hispanic -- but this is just anti-Islamic fear mongering.

-spence

no doubt.. i got this in a email, from someone who always sends me right wing christian tea party fear/hate stuff..

but.. I have been racking my brain, as I remember watching something on more mainstream media, regarding the shrinking of the traditional eupropean stock, and the mosques now outnumbering the churches..and the natives being equalized by the immigrants.. people from India basically in England, and Spain, and France and Germany by Saudi's...
anyone else recall this .. I think it was either a CNN show, or something like 60 minutes or 20/20

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Karl F

no doubt.. i got this in a email, from someone who always sends me right wing christian tea party fear/hate stuff..

but.. I have been racking my brain, as I remember watching something on more mainstream media, regarding the shrinking of the traditional eupropean stock, and the mosques now outnumbering the churches..and the natives being equalized by the immigrants.. people from India basically in England, and Spain, and France and Germany by Saudi's...
anyone else recall this .. I think it was either a CNN show, or something like 60 minutes or 20/20

Amazing!!!! "right wing christian tea party fear/hate stuff.."

and then..."mainstream media"..."I think it was either a CNN show, or something like 60 minutes or 20/20"

You trash the Christians

Wouldn't want to be "anti-Islamic", right Spence?

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Wouldn't want to be "anti-Islamic", right Spence?

There's a big difference between a hit job and legitimate criticism. The intent of this video is to scare people using what appears to be disinformation, not inform...

That is bigotry.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

There's a big difference between a hit job and legitimate criticism. The intent of this video is to scare people using what appears to be disinformation, not inform...

That is bigotry.

-spence

It's bigotry, maybe, if it is disinformation.

I just find it ironic that you are so quick to defend Islam and ignore lumping Christians into a hate group through misinformation.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

I just find it ironic that you are so quick to defend Islam and ignore lumping Christians into a hate group through misinformation.

I didn't think he did that, as he used the modifier "right wing" to describe the Christian he was referring to which is often fundamentalist in nature. Fear/hate rhetoric is very commonly used by people and organizations who subscribe to this form of Christianity.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I didn't think he did that, as he used the modifier "right wing" to describe the Christian he was referring to which is often fundamentalist in nature. Fear/hate rhetoric is very commonly used by people and organizations who subscribe to this form of Christianity.

-spence

And forms of Islam? we have murdering,cowardly, terrorist.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

And forms of Islam? we have murdering,cowardly, terrorist.

What's your point?

The number of Muslims who believe in religious terrorism isn't that big, although it certainly did grow during the Bush Administration.

Most of Islam is quite peaceful in the broader sense. al Qaeda is about the only group with broader aspirations to establish a caliphate, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon.

-spence

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by spence

I didn't think he did that, as he used the modifier "right wing" to describe the Christian he was referring to which is often fundamentalist in nature. Fear/hate rhetoric is very commonly used by people and organizations who subscribe to this form of Christianity.

-spence

correct..Thanks for wording it spot on.

frankly, I have seen some so called christians, that are just as scary, or worse, than the radical islamics...

Fanatical Religious Zeal..is a cancer..no matter what or whose religion it is.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Karl F

correct..Thanks for wording it spot on.

frankly, I have seen some so called christians, that are just as scary, or worse, than the radical islamics...

Fanatical Religious Zeal..is a cancer..no matter what or whose religion it is.

You have???? I don't recall any Christians of late that behead people, strap bombs on women, blow up schools and crash jets full of people into tall buildings.
I do recall many helping in earth quake zones though.

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by buckman

You have???? I don't recall any Christians of late that behead people, strap bombs on women, blow up schools and crash jets full of people into tall buildings.
I do recall many helping in earth quake zones though.

You are correct, and I should have not used such a broad brush, not with violent acts, perhaps...and least not in the recent past, but with their same narrow mindset, that only they have the correct philosophy, and all others should fall into line,nor have a different opinion, and their is a fringe element, that falls in with the neo nazi types, that could bear watching, as far as violence in the future, justified, by thier beliefs..

the ones that help out in earthquake/needy areas... those are true christians, no doubt....but like all other groups, some will hide behind the same name...for different purposes.

again as spence worded so spot on...not christians as a whole...just the extremists... same with islam, or even scientology or whatever.... worship whatever man in the sky, tree, rock, or cow you want...just don't insist that everyone else has to, don't try to shove it down others throats..and don't let any of it control the government or it's processes....our founding fathers knew this....have read the history and much discussion...freedom of religion...yes....and freedom from it to.. church and state...seperate.

what has been the cause of more fights feuds wars etc. than relgious differences...


oh, and BTW.. what media to you consider to be reliable or mainstream, or is there any left.. ???

I can find Hard Left...Hard Right.. and some that seems middle of the road...to me... but please educate me as to what you deem to be mainstream, middle of the road..
Thanks!

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

You have???? I don't recall any Christians of late that behead people, strap bombs on women, blow up schools and crash jets full of people into tall buildings.
I do recall many helping in earth quake zones though.

I have. its called the military.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I have. its called the military.

You are a biden ingrate

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Karl F

You are correct, and I should have not used such a broad brush, not with violent acts, perhaps...and least not in the recent past, but with their same narrow mindset, that only they have the correct philosophy, and all others should fall into line,nor have a different opinion, and their is a fringe element, that falls in with the neo nazi types, that could bear watching, as far as violence in the future, justified, by thier beliefs..

the ones that help out in earthquake/needy areas... those are true christians, no doubt....but like all other groups, some will hide behind the same name...for different purposes.

again as spence worded so spot on...not christians as a whole...just the extremists... same with islam, or even scientology or whatever.... worship whatever man in the sky, tree, rock, or cow you want...just don't insist that everyone else has to, don't try to shove it down others throats..and don't let any of it control the government or it's processes....our founding fathers knew this....have read the history and much discussion...freedom of religion...yes....and freedom from it to.. church and state...seperate.

what has been the cause of more fights feuds wars etc. than relgious differences...


oh, and BTW.. what media to you consider to be reliable or mainstream, or is there any left.. ???

I can find Hard Left...Hard Right.. and some that seems middle of the road...to me... but please educate me as to what you deem to be mainstream, middle of the road..
Thanks!

I agree with you

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Karl F

,

what has been the cause of more fights feuds wars etc. than relgious differences...

name the major conflicts of the 20th century and the body counts and tell me what percentage you can attribute to "religeous differences"

I think socialism, national socialism and communism take the cake....as you point out, those that have had to do with religeous differences are generally a small fractured segment of a religeon that use their religeon as a vehical to promote their particular form of hatred...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

You are a biden ingrate

nope.. just a genius. Spence and I have a gift

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

nope.. just a genius. Spence and I have a gift

"behead people, strap bombs on women, blow up schools and crash jets full of people into tall buildings. "

Your brilliant