nts to pay off unins to stop whining about Obamacare

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

So now that we know that the shutdown could've been avoided and the mandate for individuals should have been postponed for year, as the GOP said, I'm dying to hear Spence and Paul's spin on
this.

So you're asserting the GOP had insight into IT issues? I'm all ears...

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

So you're asserting the GOP had insight into IT issues? I'm all ears...

-spence

You don't need to be Nostradamus to have guessed that if Obama had anything to do with it, it would turn into a puddle of vomit.

[justplugit]

The problem is, Ego has taken over in place of what's best for the American people.
If Obama was a true leader and servant of the people he would take this Affordable? Health Care Act back to the drawing board , help the 28% of the people without health care as it was orignally supposed to do and leave the other 72% alone.
Where is the $2500 savings/ average family when mine has gone up over $900 for 2 people? Hope no one has gone out and bought a big ticket item with their anticipated savings.
People are finally waking up, including the Dems, as this thing rolls out and it starts
hitting people in their pocket book.

[TheSpecialist]

The biggest problem with medical care in this country, is the disparity that hospitals and doctors charge, and the reasonable amount they accept from insurance companies. If you are not insured or have a week plan you pay through the nose. The government needs to set a fee schedule for all things medical, then worry about insurance for all. In the long run it will save billions of dollars...

[spence]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

The biggest problem with medical care in this country, is the disparity that hospitals and doctors charge, and the reasonable amount they accept from insurance companies. If you are not insured or have a week plan you pay through the nose. The government needs to set a fee schedule for all things medical, then worry about insurance for all. In the long run it will save billions of dollars...

Sounds like central planning. Perhaps all the private companies that have lobbied for price fixing over the years should fess up.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Sounds like central planning.

Yup. And government price controls generally create negative distortions on the market. If it were possible for the government to impose the exact price levels which would achieve a true equilibrium in market transactions, it might be a good thing. So far, that doesn't seem to have been possible.

Perhaps all the private companies that have lobbied for price fixing over the years should fess up.
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That would expose their request for crony capitalistic suppression of competition. We all know that crony capitalism is a No-No. But, alas, it happens anyway. The "left" and the "right" rail against it, but neither is able to eliminate it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

The biggest problem with medical care in this country, is the disparity that hospitals and doctors charge, and the reasonable amount they accept from insurance companies. If you are not insured or have a week plan you pay through the nose. The government needs to set a fee schedule for all things medical, then worry about insurance for all. In the long run it will save billions of dollars...

this could probably work....we'll have the government give one of Michelle's college classmates a no bid contract for millions of dollars to fix the pricing of all medical related everything....and then worry about insurance for all (oh, we've got that now thanks to Obamacare)...and we'll probably save billions and all will progress quite swimmingly....


we are in so much trouble......

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by scottw

this could probably work....we'll have the government give one of Michelle's college classmates a no bid contract for millions of dollars to fix the pricing of all medical related everything....and then worry about insurance for all (oh, we've got that now thanks to Obamacare)...and we'll probably save billions and all will progress quite swimmingly....


we are in so much trouble......

Yes, I agree we are in much trouble. To a great degree, in the social and political realms, we have become a society based on ad hoc decisions rather than on principles. What works, how it can be fixed, is based on narrow situational problems and perspectives rather than on the grand scheme. Fix economic problems such as the cost of health care by the most obvious idea--fix the price so everyone can afford it--rather than applying economic principles. Rather than understanding economic forces which make things "affordable" to greater numbers, let's just have the government fix the thing and by fiat lower the price--theoretical consequences be damned. Isn't that what government is for, and if not, what's it good for?

And so government responds (or instigates). It abandons principles and "fixes" things by "pragmatic" mandates which most "obviously" and immediately produce solutions. That the solutions, not being results of time tested principles, become further and even larger problems is not seen as a result, but as a flaw in execution. Not enough money, not enough time, not enough of some x factor which more regulations will surely address. Obstructionists will only slow down the progress of solving our problems. They are the kooks and must be marginalized, destroyed if necessary, in order to continue toward the perfection of society. And principles are like huge stones in a garden. They petrify the soil, and must be discarded.

We've progressively dug ourselves into deeper holes in this way, and the only solution of management by ad hoc managers is more of the same. Just in more expansive and larger quantities.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Yes, I agree we are in much trouble. To a great degree, in the social and political realms, we have become a society based on ad hoc decisions rather than on principles. What works, how it can be fixed, is based on narrow situational problems and perspectives rather than on the grand scheme. Fix economic problems such as the cost of health care by the most obvious idea--fix the price so everyone can afford it--rather than applying economic principles. Rather than understanding economic forces which make things "affordable" to greater numbers, let's just have the government fix the thing and by fiat lower the price--theoretical consequences be damned. Isn't that what government is for, and if not, what's it good for?

And so government responds (or instigates). It abandons principles and "fixes" things by "pragmatic" mandates which most "obviously" and immediately produce solutions. That the solutions, not being results of time tested principles, become further and even larger problems is not seen as a result, but as a flaw in execution. Not enough money, not enough time, not enough of some x factor which more regulations will surely address. Obstructionists will only slow down the progress of solving our problems. They are the kooks and must be marginalized, destroyed if necessary, in order to continue toward the perfection of society. And principles are like huge stones in a garden. They petrify the soil, and must be discarded.

We've progressively dug ourselves into deeper holes in this way, and the only solution of management by ad hoc managers is more of the same. Just in more expansive and larger quantities.

this also assumes a benevolent government that will not grant favoritism and benefits to political supporters and cronies, free of corruption and one that will not use the power given to intimidate and manipulate and one that is competent enough to manage this responsibility which will result in the savings of billions( I believe it would be a first)...rather than cost multi-billions in the long run