gun laws

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

I can't believe some of you people.

They may take assault weapons but not your hunting guns?????

WTF what if they said tomorrow there will no longer be trucks , suv's, Rv's or Boats for the common people because of the cost of fuel, lack of fuel or something like that, and they came and carted off your stuff and made you drive around in friggin HYundai to do your precious beach fishing. Oh wait you won't be able to beach fish any more because of the plovers (we fight for that freedom don't we).

I don't own any assault weapons currently, but the same joy you one way Asses get from beaching a 30lb fish on the backside beaches in front of your buggies is the same joy I get at the range rocking and rolling an Ar, Mp5, or whatever I choose.

Next time you people ask us to write a letter to save a beach,or something else I will tell you all to pound sand.

Whoa there Bill, let's not get crazy now

banning assault rifles compared to beach access is nowhere near comparison. relax, there's always one whako in every crowd.

My brother just bought an awesome assault rifle, fun to shoot and accurate.


great post reelinrod

[bssb]

Accidental Shootings of Children Raising Concern

LEAD: Sensational shootings often draw more attention, but to many people here there is something deeply troubling in the numbing frequency of incidents like the one Monday that left 14-year-old Aaron Fultz critically wounded.

Aaron and a friend were playing with a .44 magnum revolver they found at the house of the friend's brother in Deer Park, a Houston suburb. The gun discharged, hitting Aaron in the head. He was still in critical condition late today and doctors said he would lose his vision, if not his life.

Five other children playing with pistols were shot over the holidays in the Houston area. Three of the youths died. Two years ago in a two-month period here, there were 13 accidental shootings involving children, six of whom died.





Priest: Slain dad taught boy, 8, to use guns
November 8th, 2008 @ 9:01pm
by Associated Press

ST. JOHNS, Ariz. - A man who police believe was shot and killed by his 8-year-old son had consulted a Roman Catholic priest about whether the boy should handle guns and had taught him how to use a rifle, the clergyman said Saturday


Boy Accidentally Kills Himself With Uzi
8-Year-Old Fired Submachine Gun Under Adult Supervision At Massachusetts Gun Fair

(AP) An 8-year-old boy died after accidentally shooting himself in the head while firing an Uzi submachine gun under adult supervision at a gun fair.


Parents Plead Not Guilty in Child's Accidental Shooting Death


NORWICH, Conn. (AP) _ A Jewett City couple entered not guilty pleas Tuesday to charges related to the death of their 2-year-old son, who accidentally shot himself with his father's gun.


Raeford — A 9-year-old fourth-grader was playing with his sister and his best friend when a handgun went off, wounding him in the head Thursday, authorities said.

The children were alone in a home at 143 Independence Drive in Raeford when the 10-year-old boy who lived there brought out a gun. His parents had tucked the .25-caliber weapon away in a drawer, Hoke County Sheriff Hubert A. Peterkin said.

[bssb]

I know most of you(hopefully all) are smarter than the people above. But you guys are right. this is an exceptable price to pay for the right of everyone to own a gun. You can't argue that you should have the right to own a gun but not the people above. So everyone should have the right to own one, no matter how stupid or irresponsable. and kids getting shot, well thats the price you pay.

[The Dad Fisherman]

You can't make laws to adjust for stupidity.....we'd never get anything done....we'd be in perpetual lock down.

people make bad decisions....its human nature.

The accidental deaths just go to prove my point that instead of treating firearms like the plague...you should instruct kids in resepect and proper use, so when they do get their hands on them they know to be careful, and what a safety is, and to never point a gun at someone, and always treat a gun as if it were loaded, and the biggie from the above examples Always, Always, ALWAYS keep them locked up when you have kids in the house....basic concepts of gun safety.

These aren't Gun Laws that need adjusting....its the Laws of Common Sense that need to be adhered to....and maybe some basic Parenting skills training.

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by bssb

Accidental Shootings of Children Raising Concern

LEAD: Sensational shootings often draw more attention, but to many people here there is something deeply troubling in the numbing frequency of incidents

But when one examines the actual numbers, accidental firearm deaths among children have been consistently trending downward.

In 1990 there were 417 unintentional deaths by firearm for children 17 and under. In 1995 the number dropped to 330, (-20%); in 2000 the number dropped to 150, (-55%) and in 2005 the number was 127 (-15%).

While every death is tragic making political capital from those deaths by decrying the "numbing frequency of incidents" is also tragic because all told, accidental gun deaths among children have dropped 70% from 1990 to 2005.

The anti-liberty side can not discuss this issue without misrepresentations and obfuscation of facts.

No rebuttal to my earlier post bssb?

Originally Posted by bssb

But you guys are right. this is an exceptable price to pay for the right of everyone to own a gun.

Again, in 2005 127 kids died from an accidental firearm discharge . . . Also in 2005, 4509 children 17 and under died in motor vehicle accidents, 1019 died from unintentional suffocation, 979 drowned, 286 died due to unintentional poisoning and 116 died in accidental falls.

Again, obfuscation of facts permitting an emotional appeal not based in logic.

Originally Posted by bssb

You can't argue that you should have the right to own a gun but not the people above. So everyone should have the right to own one, no matter how stupid or irresponsable. and kids getting shot, well thats the price you pay.

There are many consumer products that pose an unintended life threatening danger to children. Motorized garage doors kill a bunch as do plastic bags; curtain cords strangle dozens every year. Let's examine your suggestions to restrict the freedom to own spackle buckets; after all, 50 toddlers a year drown in them; surely your selfish right to own a 5 gallon bucket can't outweigh the danger to our youngest innocents can it?

Step out of the blood you are dancing in for a moment and take a minute to let the emotions subside . . .

[fishbones]

[QUOTE=ReelinRod;637410]
There are many consumer products that pose an unintended life threatening danger to children. Motorized garage doors kill a bunch as do plastic bags; curtain cords strangle dozens every year. Let's examine your suggestions to restrict the freedom to own spackle buckets; after all, 50 toddlers a year drown in them; surely the your selfish right to own a 5 gallon bucket can't outweigh the danger to our youngest innocents can it?
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No more bathtubs!!! And household chemicals. Let's not forget all of the dangers of children being poisoned. While where at it, lets get rid of any animals that attack and kill innocent humans!!!! Who needs dogs anyways?

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by fishbones

No more bathtubs!!! And household chemicals. Let's not forget all of the dangers of children being poisoned. While where at it, lets get rid of any animals that attack and kill innocent humans!!!! Who needs dogs anyways?

Such arguments would be laughed away but with guns, any argument is entertained if "one life can be saved." As much as we do not like the thought, human life does have a price and the availability of common items that sometimes cause death proves that we, as a society are quite willing to sacrifice a certain number of our fellow citizens to have these products readily available.

Guns are no different and the arguments otherwise are only based in a political agenda, emotion or a simple pathological fear of guns.

Certainly gun specific arguments (while ignoring other causation of unintentional death) are not products of an even examination and intellectually honest analysis of the facts.

[bssb]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

There are many consumer products that pose an unintended life threatening danger to children. Motorized garage doors kill a bunch as do plastic bags; curtain cords strangle dozens every year. Let's examine your suggestions to restrict the freedom to own spackle buckets; after all, 50 toddlers a year drown in them; surely your selfish right to own a 5 gallon bucket can't outweigh the danger to our youngest innocents can it?

Step out of the blood you are dancing in for a moment and take a minute to let the emotions subside . . .

Ok so give one kid a plastic bag and one kid a loaded gun. who dies first? comparing the lethality of a plastic bag to a gun is just stupid. An average house hold uses a garage door what? maybe 2or 3 times a day. Know anyone that uses a gun 2 or 3 times a day. If one can compare guns to buckets, than are you for legalizing drugs too? Shouldn't everyone have the right to use drugs if one can use them responsably? Sure they're dangerous, but only if you don't know what your doing.


http://hasobamatakenawayourgunsyet.com/

[MAC]

Originally Posted by bssb

Ok so give one kid a plastic bag and one kid a loaded gun. who dies first? comparing the lethality of a plastic bag to a gun is just stupid. An average house hold uses a garage door what? maybe 2or 3 times a day. Know anyone that uses a gun 2 or 3 times a day. If one can compare guns to buckets, than are you for legalizing drugs too? Shouldn't everyone have the right to use drugs if one can use them responsably? Sure they're dangerous, but only if you don't know what your doing.


http://hasobamatakenawayourgunsyet.com/

Nice link What is a "moran" ? Secondly Obama isn't in office yet......

If you are such a fan of "gun control" maybe you should move to England or Australia. Better yet why not just go back to the rock you crawled out from under.

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by bssb

Ok so give one kid a plastic bag and one kid a loaded gun. who dies first?

Who's arguing "giving" either to children?

Originally Posted by bssb

comparing the lethality of a plastic bag to a gun is just stupid.

Well then, I'm sure glad I wasn't making any such comparison.

I was comparing your response to the different modes of death not the deaths themselves. You asked if the number of accidental gun deaths are, "an exceptable[sic] price to pay for the right of everyone to own a gun" and questioned, "So everyone should have the right to own one, no matter how stupid or irresponsable[sic].[sic] and kids getting shot, well thats[sic] the price you pay."

You are the one who wants to quantify a "price" on the preservation of (some) human life to be borne by the consumer or justify rights deprivation, so I rebutted with (and you quoted):

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

There are many consumer products that pose an unintended life threatening danger to children. Motorized garage doors kill a bunch as do plastic bags; curtain cords strangle dozens every year. Let's examine your suggestions to restrict the freedom to own spackle buckets; after all, 50 toddlers a year drown in them; surely your selfish right to own a 5 gallon bucket can't outweigh the danger to our youngest innocents can it?

My point is, where is your outcry over the unintentional deaths of children caused by other items and conditions found in life? You wish to draw attention to the 100 or so kids accidentally killed by guns annually but turn a blind eye to 8000 unintentionally killed by other things . . .

So, the question must be asked; is your outrage just reserved for firearms? Of course it is . . . Because your faux moral indignation serves the greater political agenda . . .

Mr. Genius, give me your gut feeling on this; for 2005 did more kids 10 and under die from accidental suffocation or accidental gunshot?
Here's a hint . . . One manner of death killed 23 times more children 10 and under than the other.

Originally Posted by bssb

If one can compare guns to buckets, . . .

Again, not comparing manner of death only comparing your whacked-out equivalency where the deaths of 932 kids 10 and under due to suffocation can be ignored and deaths of the 40 killed by accidental discharge of a firearm can be used as political fodder to call for the enactment of laws that directly violate the Constitution of the United States. Got it?

Originally Posted by bssb

than are you for legalizing drugs too?. . .

As a matter of fact I am for decriminalizing drugs, at least at the federal level.

Originally Posted by bssb

Shouldn't everyone have the right to use drugs if one can use them responsably[sic]?

No, everyone should have the right to use them even if they use them irresponsibly.

Originally Posted by bssb

http://hasobamatakenawayourgunsyet.com/

Is that link intended to stand in any fashion as informed, logical and effective rebuttal to my posts to you? And you have the audacity to assign yourself the authority to declare someone stupid?

That's akin to Helen Thomas calling somebody ugly!