Forbes issues warning

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Didn’t dodge every “point” or perceived benefit has been debated and everyone on this board has put in their two cents. Pay attention over the long haul, or look into this memory enhancement drugs.

i asked why it’s not reasonable
for people to assume that list of accomplishments improved their lives. i’ve asked you that before. you really seem
determined to avoid answering.
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[Pete F.]

Serious question: can you think of a single person who came into Trump's orbit in the past four years - either to work for him personally or in the Trump regime - who came out in a better position than when they came in? I can't think of one. Many were destroyed.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

by calling for peace? that’s what he’s doing

The only thing that would perhaps have a significant impact on potential inauguration violence would be to state the election wasn't stolen, yet he refuses to. This weekend could get very ugly.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The only thing that would perhaps have a significant impact on potential inauguration violence would be to state the election wasn't stolen, yet he refuses to. This weekend could get very ugly.

so when he literally says we need to be peaceful, you can say he’s actually inciting violence.

that’s not krazy.
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[Pete F.]

What’s crazy, is claiming with zero evidence that you won the election.
Show me the evidence, not conjecture, not bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, proof
It’s that simple, the fkn fool occupying the White House is lying.
He lost, he got blown out of the water, he has no rational claim to the Presidency
But it’s the Democrats dividing the country.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

What’s crazy, is claiming with zero evidence that you won the election.
Show me the evidence, not conjecture, not bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, proof
It’s that simple, the fkn fool occupying the White House is lying.
He lost, he got blown out of the water, he has no rational claim to the Presidency
But it’s the Democrats dividing the country.
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Other than the fact he is president?
Or is that irrational in Bitchslappedboy world?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so when he literally says we need to be peaceful, you can say he’s actually inciting violence.

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that's how spence hears it...but trump's the crazy one

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Other than the fact he is president?
Or is that irrational in Bitchslappedboy world?
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Chubby Gigilo is drunk
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Chubby Gigilo is drunk
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so when he literally says we need to be peaceful, you can say he’s actually inciting violence.

that’s not krazy.
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Saying to be peaceful after a year of telling his supporters it’s fraud, whipping them into a frenzy that it’s been stolen and then inciting insurrection at our capital is too little too late...like really.
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[PaulS]

Matt Flegenheimer and Maggie Haberman
Jan. 16, 2021, 5:00 a.m. ET

When President Trump faced (and overcame) the gravest crisis of his first campaign, he defended his boasts of sexual assault on the “Access Hollywood” tape as ultimately harmless gabbing. “Locker room talk,” he said, nothing to dwell on.

When the president faced (and overcame) impeachment in 2019 after pressing the Ukrainian president to investigate Joseph R. Biden Jr., he insisted it was merely an innocuous case of two guys talking. “A perfect call,” he said, not a high crime.

And when Mr. Trump leaves the White House no later than Wednesday — amid the impeachment sequel and uncommon comeuppance he has encountered since inciting a riotous mob in Washington on Jan. 6 — he will surrender a valued perk: an executive phone system, he once enthused, that made it feel as though his words would self-destruct before they became self-destructive.

“The world’s most secure system,” Mr. Trump marveled in a 2017 interview during his first week in office, observing that no one was listening in and recording. “The words just explode in the air.”

Poof. Gone. Just as he likes it.

For most of Mr. Trump’s 74 years, the relationship between his words and their consequences has been fairly straightforward: He says what he wants, and nothing particularly durable tends to happen to him.

But in the final frames of his presidency, Mr. Trump is confronting an unfamiliar fate. He is being held to account as never before for things he has said, finding his typical defenses — denial, obfuscation, powerful friends, claiming it was all a big joke — insufficient in explaining away a violent mob acting in his name.

Aides could not do it for him, anonymously offering more palatable accounts.

Allies could not argue that he had been misunderstood.

His own words were all anyone needed to hear on this one.

In almost certainly the most expansive series of penalties he has incurred in his life, Mr. Trump’s Twitter account has been banned, his business brand badly dented, his presidency doomed to the historical infamy of a second impeachment. His largest lender, Deutsche Bank, is moving to create distance from him. His New Jersey golf club was stripped of a major tournament. Some once-reliable Republican congressional loyalists are revisiting their commitment, threatening his grip on the party, even as the president’s popularity with much of his support base remains undimmed.

Those who have known and watched Mr. Trump across the years cannot shake the irony of a president felled by the very formula that powered his rise: inflammatory speech and a self-regard that has congealed at times into functional self-delusion.

He has never considered words to be as significant as actions, or even in the same category of prospective offense. Words were whatever got him through the next interaction, people who worked with him say. Words were not deemed important enough to invite serious trouble.

So well-developed were Mr. Trump’s survival instincts, in theory, that he had all but perfected the art of semi-plausible deniability — an upside of being on seemingly every side of every major political issue at various points in his adult life.

Hadn’t he said the right thing that one time? That was what he meant.

Hadn’t he winked at the crowd a bit? Everyone takes him too seriously.

Hadn’t he used the word “peacefully” one time in that address before the Capitol riot, tucked between the more dominant instructions to “fight” and “show strength” and “go by very different rules” as he whipped up anger against elected officials, including his own vice president, who were disinclined to subvert the will of the electorate?

“He has had a habit of saying outrageous things and then saying he was being sarcastic, he was kidding, that people shouldn’t take him literally — and in fact, if you do, what an idiot you are,” said Gwenda Blair, a biographer of the Trump family. “It’s both deniability for himself, but it’s also deniability for his followers. He gives them something to hold onto so that they can then continue to believe in him.”

But Mr. Trump, and much of the political class that was shocked and disoriented by his 2016 win, has sometimes conflated his reputational resilience with a notion that nothing he says can hurt him, no matter how ostensibly damaging.

His term has been pocked with episodes, from his equivocation on white supremacy after the deadly violence in Charlottesville, Va., to his downplaying the unambiguous risks of Covid-19, that made him an unpopular president whose contract was not renewed. Less assured is his capacity to recognize the link between his conduct and this outcome.

In fact, since entering politics, Mr. Trump has often delighted in cutting down opponents who sounded too practiced or restrained.

“Just words,” he said of Mr. Biden as the Democrat accepted his party’s nomination last summer.

“It’s just words, folks,” Mr. Trump said of Hillary Clinton at an October 2016 debate days after the release of the “Access Hollywood” tape, at once deflecting any denunciation of his own remarks and calling Mrs. Clinton’s empty. “It’s just words.”

As president, Mr. Trump benefited daily from an army of defenders, in Congress and across the conservative media, who dedicated themselves to interpreting his often-inexplicable words as charitably as possible.

And since his time as a private citizen, Mr. Trump has generally been insulated from the fallout from his words because associates have been left to navigate it instead.

“He said stupid things, and we did damage control, and that was it,” said Barbara A. Res, a former executive vice president of the Trump Organization. “He never gave it a thought.”

Experts in the Trump canon have struggled to summon an analogy for his present conditions, when his words or deeds had caused things he cared about to be taken from him.

“Ivana during that first divorce kind of got back at him a bit,” Ms. Blair recalled of the amply chronicled dissolution of his first marriage, before reconsidering. “In fact, he loved that whole thing because it got him more ink.”

Tony Schwartz, who ghostwrote “Trump: The Art of the Deal” and has in recent years become a ferocious critic, said Mr. Trump’s relative evasion of consequences until now “has progressively increased his conviction that he can and should get away with anything he does.”

It is no surprise, then, that since last week, as in much of his White House tenure, Mr. Trump has proved himself capable of only temporary modulation, defaulting to defiance but snapping to attention when advisers impressed upon him that he could face legal exposure for his incitements.

In a video on Wednesday, he condemned “violence and vandalism” and held up his “true” supporters as champions of law enforcement — a message aimed, perhaps, at unnerved Senate Republicans ahead of his impeachment trial.

Yet for all the things Mr. Trump did not say — that he lost the election, that Mr. Biden would be inaugurated, that he assumed any responsibility for the state of affairs — and all the things he has said before, it was impossible to believe the president’s heart was in it, implausible to assume the words were meant to last, to hang rather than explode in the White House air.

“All of us can choose by our actions to rise above the rancor …” he said dutifully this time.

“ … to overcome the passions of the moment …”

“ … to move forward united …”

Anyone listening knew that these were just words

[Sea Dangles]

That was well written. Thank you for sharing
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