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[PaulS]

Put eight four inch cans in the ceiling today and the wife came home and start screaming she wanted 3-in even though I told her last night they were four inch. Wait till I tell my Friend the electrician
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[Rmarsh]

Another with the MW drawer in the island.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

Another with the MW drawer in the island.

So I thought the move was to "linen" colored cabinents.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by piemma

So I thought the move was to "linen" colored cabinents.

That was from a few years ago....I did the install...but didnt remember until looking through old pics. I like the classic look of the cherry....its got a light stain on it I believe. Our buyers get to pick what they want for finishes...so it varies. I dont find out until I start opening the boxes.

[Guppy]

Stain on cherry,,, sacrilege....

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by Guppy

Stain on cherry,,, sacrilege....

I have a lot experience with cherry.

Good article on the subject

https://finishing.tips/finishing-cherry/

[Rmarsh]

couple more kitchens.... second one is cherry. Many years ago I was building cherry kitchens from scratch....bought the rough cherry from Rex lumber..... thickness planed...then join edges, glue up panels, make face frames....stiles and rails....raised panel doors the entire job. Even made my own cherry crown with just a table saw.

[Rmarsh]

Looking through my older pictures....hardly remember doing some of these.

[nightfighter]

The question has to be asked.... Are you retiring on your upcoming 65th? Last day of the year too!

Either way I wish you a Happy Birthday, Robert.

[Rmarsh]

Thanks Ross.....I am planning to work full time until age 66 and 2 months....which is my full retirement age according to SS.....but that could change.

[Rmarsh]

Gates that I built in my shop installed.... checked my measurements over and over to make sure everything would fit right ....still need to attach some cane bolts

[Got Stripers]

I love the work of a craftsman, if I had a redo in my life, it would be get into marine biology or become a carpenter, love wood.

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I love the work of a craftsman, if I had a redo in my life, it would be get into marine biology or become a carpenter, love wood.

Bob.....I didnt have a lot of career opportunities when I graduated high school......there was the suit coat manufacturer where I had worked a few months .....and hated so much it made me sick. Hated school too.......cooped up with a bunch of morons....inmates running the prison there. So when I hit the ground of my first construction site....I felt like I was free....like a bird.
I do love wood....such a great material......but the gates are all pvc...which is less fun to work with ...but more weather resistant for sure.

[Jenn]

I really enjoyed this thread! Always wished I had such an ability but I don't we just had out kitchen remodel this year after 18 years of wishing! Its a modest small ranch and the kitchen wasn't just small and run down but dysfunctional even for its size. So happy with the new design (same size!) crazy how a better design and quality work can change everything! We are not carpenters so we saved money by doing what we could...ripping the old out and doing what we could ourselves. We were smart enough to hire carpenter to install cabinets and hire a tile guy....it certainly upped the budget but knew better than to attempt ourselves and screw it up! LOL! Have amazing respect for a good tradesman! Even more so now! Some things just are not worth trying to save a buck on and Im so glad we recognized that from the get go. I have friends that are better "do it your-selfers" but in the end wished they hadn't....

[Rmarsh]

Supply chain problems...we have five houses framed up waiting on windows...going to be a few weeks..so I got the job of covering all the openings with heavy mill plastic...so work can continue....hope I put enough staples to hold up in this wind. I usually dont spend much time on the job during this phase of the construction.....got a good look at the quality of the framing job.......very disappointing....does not meet my standards at all.

[Hookedagain]

Unfortunately most framers are not like you and I. I would make certain that every joint and miter was tight as a bulls ass in fly season. Seems like not many can read tape anymore....if its within a 1/4" its close enough. I worked for a guy a few years back and all my framing was on point, tight, clean. He decided to go by on a Saturday and "help me out". Money was my last day. Absolutely terrible! Where the framing net the pitch of the ceiling he used all square cuts, I mitered it, Headers were short, JACKS were short. I asked if he even knew the purpose of a jack stud. And the stew that broke the camels back is the post he put in to carry the beam...it sat on the floor boards ..between the floor joists.. with nothing on the floor below. I tried to explain point loads but it was useless. I told him I would either take things apart and re do them or fix them, he said it wasn't in the budget.....that was my last day. I couldn't in good conscience leave it that was and I sure couldn't keep going and have my name on it that way.

[Hookedagain]

While I can relate to this Guy....I always take deer season off. LOL

[bloocrab]

...whoever replaces them will be just as bad or worse...

Not that it would solve any problems, but with that trade not requiring a licensed tradesman for anyone touching a tool, the door's wide open to any #^&#^&#^&#^& or Harry not knowing what all the little lines between the big numbers on a tape measure are to find employment.
Perhaps if the BI held that trade to a higher standard things would be different, but I imagine there just isn't enough time in a day. Or perhaps the tolerance levels for stick-framing are too loosey-goosey?

[Rmarsh]

Gilly.....You're right.... the trade I've spent most of my life learning and doing has been diminished to.... finding the cheapest source of labor....immigrants with questionable legal status. This has been going on for a long time now.
The houses will pass the building code....wont be falling down....but with no standards for tolerances or accuracy......sloppiness and discrepancies prevail.
I got my construction supervisors license in the '80s.....doesnt mean that I know anything about the proper way to frame a structure.....just how to read a code book.
I am strictly a finish carpenter now...but I spent many years framing houses, some with very complicated roof structures, with all the various types of rafters that need to be precisely laid out and cut, I excelled at it and took great pride in the accuracy of my work. I cant frame these houses now so I just complain here....

[Rmarsh]

Was working on a roof one time...putting in skylights with my brother and another guy. Very exclusive neighborhood....rich folks....when a barrage of small stones landed on the roof near us.. turned to see two yooths...riding off on a minibike.....I wasnt botherd but guy with us chased them down back to the mansion.....the maid said she would inform the parents about the incident.

[piemma]

Did soffits on a big job one time. 2 stores high and we carried full sheets of 5/8 exterior plywood up ladders to a pick at 10 degrees and snowing. SUCKED!!!!!

[Pete F.]

Made snow a couple of winters in the 70s when construction was slow, at night, below freezing and water. At Killington you were responsible for guns on a trail, you got dropped off and walked up and down, moving and adjusting guns till your shift was over.
That was colder than framing in the winter here in Vermont.
Spent years doing that, we’d quit working if it was single digits and blowing.
Usually if it was an artic high the wind only blew when it came in.
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[Rmarsh]

Just a couple of reasons why these framers suck! ...... they should have their nail guns confiscated
I dont do hiring or firing....if I did there might be nobody left. I keep hearing the plumber say to the framer boss...."so ...what are we going to f*ck up today"

[Slipknot]

unfortunately the level of caring has been below 50% for a very long time. It is getting harder and harder to avoid incompetence in life not just the trades. I am not sure how much longer I can continue and deal with the morons out there but I know there are still plenty of good people that care. I am lucky that there still is a demand for quality work.

[Guppy]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

Just a couple of reasons why these framers suck! ...... they should have their nail guns confiscated
I dont do hiring or firing....if I did there might be nobody left. I keep hearing the plumber say to the framer boss...."so ...what are we going to f*ck up today"

HACK

[bloocrab]

I'm not sure I understand what you guys mean??

All those features are intentional.

"picture #1" = The framers are simply testing the integrity of the sheet-rock guys...wondering if they'll just rock right over it or report it. It's a simple matter of quality control....wish my framers would have "tested" my rockers' integrity like that.

"picture #2" = Perhaps you didn't know, but by carefully positioning a knot between some 2x's promotes a "Good Omen". They're simply wishing the owners Good Luck. Superstitious, is all it is. They know the owner's wife is a palm-reader.

"picture #3" = This is a Concept Trial. They are purposely missing the sheathing so they can then turn the nails back into the 2x6 for better security. This way the nail can't back out...this is a new code which was implemented in some of our hurricane states.

Bob took the picture prematurely....this is the after pick from the following day.

[Slipknot]

[Rmarsh]

Originally Posted by bloocrab

I'm not sure I understand what you guys mean??

All those features are intentional.

"picture #1" = The framers are simply testing the integrity of the sheet-rock guys...wondering if they'll just rock right over it or report it. It's a simple matter of quality control....wish my framers would have "tested" my rockers' integrity like that.

"picture #2" = Perhaps you didn't know, but by carefully positioning a knot between some 2x's promotes a "Good Omen". They're simply wishing the owners Good Luck. Superstitious, is all it is. They know the owner's wife is a palm-reader.

"picture #3" = This is a Concept Trial. They are purposely missing the sheathing so they can then turn the nails back into the 2x6 for better security. This way the nail can't back out...this is a new code which was implemented in some of our hurricane states.

Bob took the picture prematurely....this is the after pick from the following day.

Funny stuff there Gilly.....We got a saying "Dont piss on my leg and then tell me it's raining" ...basically meaning..... dont make excuses or try to bull#^&#^&#^&#^& me. I have way to much experience for that.......cant be fooled.

Picture #2 ....is actually a (lucky) rock stuck between the top and double plate....notice the nails in the hurricane clip......into nothing....they didn't see the rock? Come on man!
The sheetrock guys would rock over anything and everything in their path.

[bloocrab]

Originally Posted by Rmarsh

...Picture #2 ....is actually a (lucky) rock stuck between the top and double plate....

.... A rock?? How da-hell does a rock get on top of a wall that was stood up after being nailed together? I Thought for sure it had to be a knot that fell out and got ignored.

But a rock...That's a totally different omen.... a rock causes a cursed omen.
Run Bob....while you still can!!! I'll meet you at the ramp!

[Rmarsh]

Framers were back to install the big front door unit at this house.....I went over to speak to one of them about the window headers.... right off he told me he didnt speak English......."thats okay" I said "You dont need to.... I'll point". He followed me over ....I pointed and he stood there looking at it...... dumbfounded! "There's more like that and they need to be fixed" I told him.
If I spoke spanish I would have said....."Es un hachazo lo que hiciste."