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Old 10-22-2009, 01:24 PM   #1
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What is Obama's real agenda-

So far government control of Banks, Insurance Companies,Autos, Cap and Trade, Health Care, talk of controlling Talk Radio and Fox news, control of CEO pay and now today talk of government control of the Internet.

What is his real agenda?

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Old 10-22-2009, 04:43 PM   #2
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He wants to control the world's supply of Stripers, by keeping all of us, here arguing instead of out catching fish!!
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Old 10-22-2009, 05:23 PM   #3
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You guys did know he was a liberal...right?

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You guys did know he was a liberal...right?

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I knew he was a socialist.
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You guys did know he was a liberal...right?

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I thought he was a uniter? Not playing the "same old politics"?

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sorry, Bush already tried that

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Old 10-23-2009, 11:06 AM   #9
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the Obama Agenda

1. Immediate Relief


1.1 A moratorium on foreclosures and evictions.


1.2 Reset mortgages so payments are affordable.


1.3 No bailouts for banks.


1.4 Extend unemployment compensation, increase payments and eligibility.


1.5 Increase food stamps, WIC, children's health ins., low income energy assistance.


1.6 Assist state and local governments.


1.7 Fund "ready-to-go" infrastructure projects.



2. A Peacetime, Green Jobs Economy for All


2.1 Enact massive public works.


2.2 Make existing buildings energy efficient.


2.3 Construct new schools, affordable housing, mass transit and bridges.


2.4 Major clean, affordable energy dvpt project for solar, wind, and biomass.


2.5 Program to cut greenhouse gas emissions, environmental cleanup.


2.6 Restore energy regulation and public ownership of utilities.


2.7 Enact the Employee Free Choice Act.


2.8 Enact HR 676, US National Health Insurance Act, single payer.


2.9 Fund public education, pre-school through higher and technical.


2.10 No privatization of Social Security or Medicare.


2.11 Expand and improve SS & Medicare benefits.



3. Restore Civil Rights, Bill of Rights, Separation of Powers


3.1 Restore Civil Rights Act enforcement, affirmative action.


3.2 Outlaw hate crimes.


3.3 Preserve Roe v Wade.


3.4 Immigration reform with path to citizenship, no militarization of borders.


3.5 No exploitative guest worker programs.


3.6 No human being is illegal.


3.7 Repeal the Patriot Act.


3.8 Investigate and prosecute Bush administration violations.


3.9 Expand voting rights.


3.10 Enact publicly financed elections.


3.11 Same-day registration.


3.12 Voting rights for ex-felons.


3.13 Restore Fairness Doctrine in media.



4. Strength through Peace


4.1 Withdraw US troops from Iraq with no bases or US corporations left behind.


4.2 Full care for returning veterans.


4.3 No war on Iran.


4.4 No expansion of troops in Afghanistan.


4.5 Assistance to Iraq to rebuild Iraq.


4.6 New foreign policy of diplomacy, respect for all nations.


4.7 Renew commitment to UN.


4.8 End trade policies that enrich corporations and destroy jobs.


4.9 Ratify Kyoto Treaty and other climate change agreements.


4.10 Enforce nuclear non-proliferation.


4.11 Work to abolish nuclear weapons.


4.12 Cut Pentagon spending in half.


4.13 Close down US bases around the world.
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the Obama Agenda
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Again with the lack of citing your copy/paste sources.
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oh sorry...sources...CNN, NY Times, MSNBC, NPR, LA Times, Washington Post, PBS, Boston Globe, Air America, Huffington Post, Media Matters, Democrat Underground and The Daily Kos.....OK???


JD...or just pretend that it's from a source that you disapprove of and you can dismiss it all in your own head...

aside from "no bailout for banks" is there anything that you would argue with regarding Obama?

I would argue that the bank bailout is less a bailout and more a way to nationalize the banking system ultimately as well as the financial sector...at the very least exert tremendous control over them..

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His real agenda on Medicare and Medicaid is to cut another 200 billion over the next ten years on top of the 300 billion already proposed to be cut this year, had already cut the cost of living increase of medicaid but, to gain back the support of those on medicaid and medicare he is going to give back as a free handout another 250 bucks for those on social security and you do not have to claim it on your 1040.

After doing the math:

That is what makes him such a great President.
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After living through 13 Presidents I can honestly say this is the first time
I have really been concerned about the direction our country is headed
under Obama.
His current socialistic agenda is being pushed down our throats at warp speed,
and yet he can't make a decision on Afghanistan, which i believe he is waiting to do after the elections.

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I do think he is waiting till after the interim elections to make a decision.
It's a tough choice, I don't think he is hesitant to make one, I just think there is significant debate on all fronts.
There also is this fact of a run off in Afghanistan that we should be considering.
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Old 10-25-2009, 10:44 AM   #17
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Between the war with Fox News, and the recent campaign appearances for dem candidates, I'd say a big part of the agenda is the destruction of the opposition.

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It's a good summary of the basic Right Wing position, that climate change is simply a scam designed to give our wealth to poor people.

I wonder how they got all those scientists to play game. Most geeks I know aren't even good tippers.

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that climate change is simply a scam designed to give our wealth to poor people.

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climate change is constant...the attempt to use "climate change" to control, regulate and tax the crap out of everyone is a scam...
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climate change is constant...the attempt to use "climate change" to control, regulate and tax the crap out of everyone is a scam...
I think for most of us, that was implied.

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I think for most of us, that was implied.

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when you say... "MOST OF US" ...do you mean most of us communists? ....cause....you aren't presuming to speak for eveyone again....are you?
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I wonder how they got all those scientists to play game. Most geeks I know aren't even good tippers.
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B/c all of us scientists are democratic whore-frauds of course....

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I heard the Illuminati actually controls the overall climate in order to further their secret, 200 year agenda to take over the world and form a New World Order.
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B/c all of us scientists are democratic whore-frauds of course....
not all...some regain their integrity

don't seem to be many that convert "to" the global warming side of the fence

David Evans | July 18, 2008
Article from: The Australian

I DEVOTED six years to carbon accounting, building models for the Australian Greenhouse Office. I am the rocket scientist who wrote the carbon accounting model (FullCAM) that measures Australia's compliance with the Kyoto Protocol, in the land use change and forestry sector.

FullCAM models carbon flows in plants, mulch, debris, soils and agricultural products, using inputs such as climate data, plant physiology and satellite data. I've been following the global warming debate closely for years.

When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty good: CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the old ice core data, no other suspects.

The evidence was not conclusive, but why wait until we were certain when it appeared we needed to act quickly? Soon government and the scientific community were working together and lots of science research jobs were created. We scientists had political support, the ear of government, big budgets, and we felt fairly important and useful (well, I did anyway). It was great. We were working to save the planet.

But since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming, and by 2007 the evidence was pretty conclusive that carbon played only a minor role and was not the main cause of the recent global warming. As Lord Keynes famously said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

There has not been a public debate about the causes of global warming and most of the public and our decision makers are not aware of the most basic salient facts:

1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.

Each possible cause of global warming has a different pattern of where in the planet the warming occurs first and the most. The signature of an increased greenhouse effect is a hot spot about 10km up in the atmosphere over the tropics. We have been measuring the atmosphere for decades using radiosondes: weather balloons with thermometers that radio back the temperature as the balloon ascends through the atmosphere. They show no hot spot. Whatsoever.

If there is no hot spot then an increased greenhouse effect is not the cause of global warming. So we know for sure that carbon emissions are not a significant cause of the global warming. If we had found the greenhouse signature then I would be an alarmist again.

When the signature was found to be missing in 2007 (after the latest IPCC report), alarmists objected that maybe the readings of the radiosonde thermometers might not be accurate and maybe the hot spot was there but had gone undetected. Yet hundreds of radiosondes have given the same answer, so statistically it is not possible that they missed the hot spot.

Recently the alarmists have suggested we ignore the radiosonde thermometers, but instead take the radiosonde wind measurements, apply a theory about wind shear, and run the results through their computers to estimate the temperatures. They then say that the results show that we cannot rule out the presence of a hot spot. If you believe that you'd believe anything.

2. There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon emissions cause significant global warming. None. There is plenty of evidence that global warming has occurred, and theory suggests that carbon emissions should raise temperatures (though by how much is hotly disputed) but there are no observations by anyone that implicate carbon emissions as a significant cause of the recent global warming.

3. The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980). Land-based temperature readings are corrupted by the "urban heat island" effect: urban areas encroaching on thermometer stations warm the micro-climate around the thermometer, due to vegetation changes, concrete, cars, houses. Satellite data is the only temperature data we can trust, but it only goes back to 1979. NASA reports only land-based data, and reports a modest warming trend and recent cooling. The other three global temperature records use a mix of satellite and land measurements, or satellite only, and they all show no warming since 2001 and a recent cooling.

4. The new ice cores show that in the past six global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon. Which says something important about which was cause and which was effect.

None of these points are controversial. The alarmist scientists agree with them, though they would dispute their relevance.

The last point was known and past dispute by 2003, yet Al Gore made his movie in 2005 and presented the ice cores as the sole reason for believing that carbon emissions cause global warming. In any other political context our cynical and experienced press corps would surely have called this dishonest and widely questioned the politician's assertion.

Until now the global warming debate has merely been an academic matter of little interest. Now that it matters, we should debate the causes of global warming.

So far that debate has just consisted of a simple sleight of hand: show evidence of global warming, and while the audience is stunned at the implications, simply assert that it is due to carbon emissions.

In the minds of the audience, the evidence that global warming has occurred becomes conflated with the alleged cause, and the audience hasn't noticed that the cause was merely asserted, not proved.

If there really was any evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming, don't you think we would have heard all about it ad nauseam by now?

The world has spent $50 billion on global warming since 1990, and we have not found any actual evidence that carbon emissions cause global warming. Evidence consists of observations made by someone at some time that supports the idea that carbon emissions cause global warming. Computer models and theoretical calculations are not evidence, they are just theory.

What is going to happen over the next decade as global temperatures continue not to rise? The Labor Government is about to deliberately wreck the economy in order to reduce carbon emissions. If the reasons later turn out to be bogus, the electorate is not going to re-elect a Labor government for a long time. When it comes to light that the carbon scare was known to be bogus in 2008, the ALP is going to be regarded as criminally negligent or ideologically stupid for not having seen through it. And if the Liberals support the general thrust of their actions, they will be seen likewise.

The onus should be on those who want to change things to provide evidence for why the changes are necessary. The Australian public is eventually going to have to be told the evidence anyway, so it might as well be told before wrecking the economy.

Dr David Evans was a consultant to the Australian Greenhouse Office from 1999 to 2005.

Geophysicist Dr. Claude Allegre, a top geophysicist and French Socialist who has authored more than 100 scientific articles and written 11 books and received numerous scientific awards including the Goldschmidt Medal from the Geochemical Society of the United States, converted from climate alarmist to skeptic in 2006. Allegre, who was one of the first scientists to sound global warming fears 20 years ago, now says the cause of climate change is "unknown" and accused the “prophets of doom of global warming” of being motivated by money, noting that "the ecology of helpless protesting has become a very lucrative business for some people!" “Glaciers’ chronicles or historical archives point to the fact that climate is a capricious phenomena. This fact is confirmed by mathematical meteorological theories. So, let us be cautious,” Allegre explained in a September 21, 2006 article in the French newspaper L'EXPRESS. The National Post in Canada also profiled Allegre on March 2, 2007, noting “Allegre has the highest environmental credentials. The author of early environmental books, he fought successful battles to protect the ozone layer from CFCs and public health from lead pollution.” Allegre now calls fears of a climate disaster "simplistic and obscuring the true dangers” mocks "the greenhouse-gas fanatics whose proclamations consist in denouncing man's role on the climate without doing anything about it except organizing conferences and preparing protocols that become dead letters." Allegre, a member of both the French and U.S. Academy of Sciences, had previously expressed concern about manmade global warming. "By burning fossil fuels, man enhanced the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere which has raised the global mean temperature by half a degree in the last century," Allegre wrote 20 years ago. In addition, Allegre was one of 1500 scientists who signed a November 18, 1992 letter titled “World Scientists' Warning to Humanity” in which the scientists warned that global warming’s “potential risks are very great.”


Geologist Bruno Wiskel of the University of Alberta recently reversed his view of man-made climate change and instead became a global warming skeptic. Wiskel was once such a big believer in man-made global warming that he set out to build a “Kyoto house” in honor of the UN sanctioned Kyoto Protocol which was signed in 1997. Wiskel wanted to prove that the Kyoto Protocol’s goals were achievable by people making small changes in their lives. But after further examining the science behind Kyoto, Wiskel reversed his scientific views completely and became such a strong skeptic, that he recently wrote a book titled “The Emperor's New Climate: Debunking the Myth of Global Warming.” A November 15, 2006 Edmonton Sun article explains Wiskel’s conversion while building his “Kyoto house”: “Instead, he said he realized global warming theory was full of holes and ‘red flags,’ and became convinced that humans are not responsible for rising temperatures.” Wiskel now says “the truth has to start somewhere.” Noting that the Earth has been warming for 18,000 years, Wiskel told the Canadian newspaper, “If this happened once and we were the cause of it, that would be cause for concern. But glaciers have been coming and going for billions of years." Wiskel also said that global warming has gone "from a science to a religion” and noted that research money is being funneled into promoting climate alarmism instead of funding areas he considers more worthy. "If you funnel money into things that can't be changed, the money is not going into the places that it is needed,” he said.


Astrophysicist Dr. Nir Shaviv, one of Israel's top young award winning scientists , recanted his belief that manmade emissions were driving climate change. ""Like many others, I was personally sure that CO2 is the bad culprit in the story of global warming. But after carefully digging into the evidence, I realized that things are far more complicated than the story sold to us by many climate scientists or the stories regurgitated by the media. In fact, there is much more than meets the eye,” Shaviv said in February 2, 2007 Canadian National Post article. According to Shaviv, the C02 temperature link is only “incriminating circumstantial evidence.” "Solar activity can explain a large part of the 20th-century global warming" and "it is unlikely that [the solar climate link] does not exist,” Shaviv noted pointing to the impact cosmic- rays have on the atmosphere. According to the National Post, Shaviv believes that even a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere by 2100 "will not dramatically increase the global temperature." “Even if we halved the CO2 output, and the CO2 increase by 2100 would be, say, a 50% increase relative to today instead of a doubled amount, the expected reduction in the rise of global temperature would be less than 0.5C. This is not significant,” Shaviv explained. Shaviv also wrote on August 18, 2006 that a colleague of his believed that “CO2 should have a large effect on climate” so “he set out to reconstruct the phanerozoic temperature. He wanted to find the CO2 signature in the data, but since there was none, he slowly had to change his views.” Shaviv believes there will be more scientists converting to man-made global warming skepticism as they discover the dearth of evidence. “I think this is common to many of the scientists who think like us (that is, that CO2 is a secondary climate driver). Each one of us was working in his or her own niche. While working there, each one of us realized that things just don't add up to support the AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming) picture. So many had to change their views,” he wrote.


Climate researcher Dr. Tad Murty, former Senior Research Scientist for Fisheries and Oceans in Canada , also reversed himself from believer in man-made climate change to a skeptic. “I stated with a firm belief about global warming, until I started working on it myself,” Murty explained on August 17, 2006. “I switched to the other side in the early 1990's when Fisheries and Oceans Canada asked me to prepare a position paper and I started to look into the problem seriously,” Murty explained. Murty was one of the 60 scientists who wrote an April 6, 2006 letter urging withdrawal of Kyoto to Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper which stated in part, "If, back in the mid-1990s, we knew what we know today about climate, Kyoto would almost certainly not exist, because we would have concluded it was not necessary.”


Botanist Dr. David Bellamy, a famed UK environmental campaigner, former lecturer at Durham University and host of a popular UK TV series on wildlife , recently converted into a skeptic after reviewing the science and now calls global warming fears "poppycock." According to a May 15, 2005 article in the UK Sunday Times, Bellamy said “global warming is largely a natural phenomenon. The world is wasting stupendous amounts of money on trying to fix something that can’t be fixed.” “The climate-change people have no proof for their claims. They have computer models which do not prove anything,” Bellamy added. Bellamy’s conversion on global warming did not come without a sacrifice as several environmental groups have ended their association with him because of his views on climate change. The severing of relations came despite Bellamy’s long activism for green campaigns. The UK Times reported Bellamy “won respect from hardline environmentalists with his campaigns to save Britain’s peat bogs and other endangered habitats. In Tasmania he was arrested when he tried to prevent loggers cutting down a rainforest.”


Climate scientist Dr. Chris de Freitas of The University of Auckland, N.Z., also converted from a believer in man-made global warming to a skeptic. “At first I accepted that increases in human caused additions of carbon dioxide and methane in the atmosphere would trigger changes in water vapor etc. and lead to dangerous ‘global warming,’ But with time and with the results of research, I formed the view that, although it makes for a good story, it is unlikely that the man-made changes are drivers of significant climate variation.” de Freitas wrote on August 17, 2006. “I accept there may be small changes. But I see the risk of anything serious to be minute,” he added. “One could reasonably argue that lack of evidence is not a good reason for complacency. But I believe the billions of dollars committed to GW research and lobbying for GW and for Kyoto treaties etc could be better spent on uncontroversial and very real environmental problems (such as air pollution, poor sanitation, provision of clean water and improved health services) that we know affect tens of millions of people,” de Freitas concluded. de Freitas was one of the 60 scientists who wrote an April 6, 2006 letter urging withdrawal of Kyoto to Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper which stated in part, “Significant [scientific] advances have been made since the [Kyoto] protocol was created, many of which are taking us away from a concern about increasing greenhouse gases.”

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not all...some regain their integrity
For every article of research you can post against Global Warming, one can be found that supports it.
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I do think he is waiting till after the interim elections to make a decision.
If this is true, he doesn't deserve to be President of the US and Commander in Chief.

Hanging our tropps out to dry for his own politcal reasons is just plain wrong.

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If this is true, he doesn't deserve to be President of the US and Commander in Chief.

Hanging our tropps out to dry for his own politcal reasons is just plain wrong.
I fully agree. Unfortunately, there's no real way to confirm or deny if this is the case.
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For every article of research you can post against Global Warming, one can be found that supports it.
Global Cooling every year since that great scientist Al Gore declared that the "earth has a fever"despite increased CO2 emissions... doesn't really support it.....face it...it's nothing more than a cottage industry for communists supported by nothing more than hype and propoganda...

if you are going to sneer at those that don't fall for the AGW hoax however accomplished they may be within the scientific community or not, you shouldn't get upset at those that sneer at you for falling for it...particularly "scientists", it's not very "open minded"....
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I fully agree. Unfortunately, there's no real way to confirm or deny if this is the case.
I think it quite obvious
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