Pay and Pension in the White House

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The GOP couldn't even get all the Republicans on board. The issue here isn't the Dems or even DACA which most everyone supports...the issue is the disconnect between the Senate Republicans and the Whitehouse.

"The GOP couldn't even get all the Republicans on board"

True. It's also true that if they had all the Republican senators, that would have had exactly zero effect on the outcome. True or false?

I like that there are moderate Republicans. Sometimes they do things I like, sometimes they don't.

"The issue here isn't the Dems or even DACA "

Then your issue isn't the shutdown. Because the Dems caused the shutdown by demanding that DACA be part of it. DACA has nothing to do with operational funding.

"even DACA which most everyone supports"

If that's true, then we have a responsibility to let our elected officials know that. That has nothing to do with the operational budget. The ems inserted it in there thinking it would put pressure on the GOP to pass it. It didn't work.

"the issue is the disconnect between the Senate Republicans and the Whitehouse"

No, it's not. Because even if all the Republican senators were in agreement, we'd be in the same exact situation. They don't have 60 seats.

They should let the dems have their way with DACA, and th eprice is the dems agree to the wall. Hell, the tax windfall we're getting from Apple alone will fund the wall.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The GOP couldn't even get all the Republicans on board"

True. It's also true that if they had all the Republican senators, that would have had exactly zero effect on the outcome. True or false?

I like that there are moderate Republicans. Sometimes they do things I like, sometimes they don't.

"The issue here isn't the Dems or even DACA "

Then your issue isn't the shutdown. Because the Dems caused the shutdown by demanding that DACA be part of it. DACA has nothing to do with operational funding.

"even DACA which most everyone supports"

If that's true, then we have a responsibility to let our elected officials know that. That has nothing to do with the operational budget. The ems inserted it in there thinking it would put pressure on the GOP to pass it. It didn't work.

"the issue is the disconnect between the Senate Republicans and the Whitehouse"

No, it's not. Because even if all the Republican senators were in agreement, we'd be in the same exact situation. They don't have 60 seats.

They should let the dems have their way with DACA, and th eprice is the dems agree to the wall. Hell, the tax windfall we're getting from Apple alone will fund the wall.

its called governance (The action or manner of governing)the GOP has not idea on how to Govern. The last 8 years they were the party of NO!! now they are the party of we dont know how... ..

[JohnR]

3 R senators didn't vote for it and 2 D senators did, IIRC.

I would actually be impressed if they could pass a real budget that is not a Continuing Resolution.

Originally Posted by wdmso

its called governance (The action or manner of governing)the GOP has not idea on how to Govern. The last 8 years they were the party of NO!! now they are the party of we dont know how... ..

Sure - all Republican's fault. Always the Republicans. Only the Republicans.

It is both parties

[Raider Ronnie]

[QUOTE=JohnR;1135700]3 R senators didn't vote for it and 2 D senators did,



Those 2 D are up for re-election
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[scottw]

2:30 p.m.

President Donald Trump says he is pleased that congressional Democrats "have come to their senses"


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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

2:30 p.m.

President Donald Trump says he is pleased that congressional Democrats "have come to their senses"


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Is that what he believes or what Stephan Miller told him to say?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Is that what he believes or what Stephan Miller told him to say?

who is Stephan Miller?

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Freaking GOP holds both houses of Congress and the Presidency and can't even fund the government. Big problem here is POTUS doesn't understand his own position and hence nobody can negotiate.

SIXTY Spence, they needed 60 in the Senate. You know this, you are just being difficult to be difficult.

[QUOTE=Raider Ronnie;1135702]

Originally Posted by JohnR

3 R senators didn't vote for it and 2 D senators did,



Those 2 D are up for re-election
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And those 3 Ds are in red leaning states and have broken ranks before

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

its called governance (The action or manner of governing)the GOP has not idea on how to Govern. The last 8 years they were the party of NO!! now they are the party of we dont know how... ..

"The last 8 years they were the party of NO!! "

Then using that logic, isn't that what the Democrats are now?

"the GOP has not idea on how to Govern"

It would appear that the public disagrees with you. The GOP controls the White House, both chambers of Congress, and a HUGE majority of state legislatures and governorships. How do you explain that?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The last 8 years they were the party of NO!! "

Then using that logic, isn't that what the Democrats are now?

"the GOP has not idea on how to Govern"

It would appear that the public disagrees with you. The GOP controls the White House, both chambers of Congress, and a HUGE majority of state legislatures and governorships. How do you explain that?

People are dumb

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

People are dumb

The people who want a high quality of life, but who don't want to overpay for it...they are dumb? Well, they are winning. Here in CT, we are losing productive citizens to places that are a better value - similar quality of life, far lower cost.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Here in CT, we are losing productive citizens to places that are a better value - similar quality of life, far lower cost.

Like where?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Like where?

Suburbs of Nashville, Charlotte, some places in NH, suburbs of Atlanta.

If I didn't care about being near my parents, I'd move to Fort Mill SC. A suburb of Charlotte NC. Very low taxes, insanely good schools, good quality of life. Much cheaper than CT.

I know 3 upper middle-class families that moved from CT to Sunnappee, NH. They are saving a fortune, they say they sacrificed nothing in terms of quality of life, and will never come back.

And I did the math that helped my brother move his family and his business from Litchfield CT to the suburbs of Nashville. Everything is new down there, everything is awesome. He is saving more than $1,000 a month in taxes. Over a couple of decades, it's a fortune. He would say that CT offers not a single thing to justify that extra $1,000 a month. Zip.

There are lots of places that are a better bang for the buck. There just aren't any in the blue New England states that I know of.

Not coincidentally, the places I mentioned are on Amazon's list of finalists for the new HQ. CT was bounced in the first round. Yet the elite liberals here claim you get what you pay for, that CT is awesome while the south is nothing but fried twinkies and trailer parks. In the cities I mentioned, they cannot build $450,000 houses fast enough. Most of the people buying those houses are tax refugees from New England. These people want all the services they are used to...they just don't want to overpay for them. And they found out, they don't have to.