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11-13-2018, 04:52 AM
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Trumps WW1 memorial Trip
Once again the embarrassment and chief.. can't just be a world leader He has to bet the ONE leader
Trump’s sudden decision not to visit the American cemetery outside Paris at Belleau Wood, site of one of the most horrific battles of World War I in which around 1,800 Americans gave their lives. The White House blamed his absence on a terrible, but it turned out non-existent, rainstorm.
Arc de Triomphe in his own mini-motorcade, separated from the other heads of state who marched, arm-in-arm, up a heavily-policed Champs-Elysées. (This decision was due to security concerns, according to the White House.) The only other leader not to march with the rest? Vladimir Putin.
got a thumbs up from Putin
Trump torches allies, threatens NATO pullout
"Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism," Macron said at a gathering of world leaders, including Russian President Vladimir Putin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Trump. “Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism by saying, ‘Our interest first, who cares about the others?’ "
MAGA by losing one ally at a time ....
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11-13-2018, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
"Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism," Macron said at a gathering of world leaders, including Russian President Vladimir Putin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Trump. “Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism by saying, ‘Our interest first, who cares about the others?’ "
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11-13-2018, 08:30 AM
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It is.
I saw something yesterday, a couple posts by a couple people smarter than me, that hit on a few points. A politician (Macron) is going to Politik.
But maybe Nationalism is different in other countries where the culture is pretty homogeneous. You know the French are mostly French, 'cept when they've been invaded (from Germany you Dog Whistle Hearers). The Germans thinking the German race is the master race, etc.
But with America we celebrate shared ideals. We are not French or Germans or Sri Lankans (except for those that want to divide us along those lines). Since as Americans we are a mix of all different things we try to bind along ideals like opportunity and liberty. That yes, Americans should move our interest and ideals first and be the inspiration for other people to do the same.
A little nationalism in our ideals, Freedom and Opportunity is a good thing. Ultra-nationalism based on skin color and ethnicity is what is dumb, and is, ya know, racist and fascist. |
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11-13-2018, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnR
It is.
I saw something yesterday, a couple posts by a couple people smarter than me, that hit on a few points. A politician (Macron) is going to Politik.
But maybe Nationalism is different in other countries where the culture is pretty homogeneous. You know the French are mostly French, 'cept when they've been invaded (from Germany you Dog Whistle Hearers). The Germans thinking the German race is the master race, etc.
But with America we celebrate shared ideals. We are not French or Germans or Sri Lankans (except for those that want to divide us along those lines). Since as Americans we are a mix of all different things we try to bind along ideals like opportunity and liberty. That yes, Americans should move our interest and ideals first and be the inspiration for other people to do the same.
A little nationalism in our ideals, Freedom and Opportunity is a good thing. Ultra-nationalism based on skin color and ethnicity is what is dumb, and is, ya know, racist and fascist.
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But over 10% of people residing in France are foreign born, Germany and the rest of Europe are similar.
Then you have Great Britain, and I'll let you tell the Irish, Welsh and Scots that they are the same as English. |
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11-19-2018, 01:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR
It is.
I saw something yesterday, a couple posts by a couple people smarter than me, that hit on a few points. A politician (Macron) is going to Politik.
But maybe Nationalism is different in other countries where the culture is pretty homogeneous. You know the French are mostly French, 'cept when they've been invaded (from Germany you Dog Whistle Hearers). The Germans thinking the German race is the master race, etc.
But with America we celebrate shared ideals. We are not French or Germans or Sri Lankans (except for those that want to divide us along those lines). Since as Americans we are a mix of all different things we try to bind along ideals like opportunity and liberty. That yes, Americans should move our interest and ideals first and be the inspiration for other people to do the same.
A little nationalism in our ideals, Freedom and Opportunity is a good thing. Ultra-nationalism based on skin color and ethnicity is what is dumb, and is, ya know, racist and fascist.
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I don't think what you say here is a difficult concept to understand. Your idea of what is now being touted as an American nationalism is what Bannon refers to as American economic nationalism and what Trump refers to when he claims to be a nationalist.
But the anti-Trump media either can't, or won't recognize Trump's easy to understand version by insisting on another version promulgated by Mussolini and Hitler, in which nationalism has strong ingredients of racism, fascism. This insinuates that Trump is a fascist racist whatever. And I believe that they stubbornly refuse to recognize the version you speak of in order to intentionally cast Trump as a fascist racist. As I say, it is not at all difficult to understand your version, nor Trump's version which is virtually the same as yours. Which is why I think the media intentionally distorts the truth and is "fake" when it does so. |
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11-19-2018, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
I don't think what you say here is a difficult concept to understand. Your idea of what is now being touted as an American nationalism is what Bannon refers to as American economic nationalism and what Trump refers to when he claims to be a nationalist.
But the anti-Trump media either can't, or won't recognize Trump's easy to understand version by insisting on another version promulgated by Mussolini and Hitler, in which nationalism has strong ingredients of racism, fascism. This insinuates that Trump is a fascist racist whatever. And I believe that they stubbornly refuse to recognize the version you speak of in order to intentionally cast Trump as a fascist racist. As I say, it is not at all difficult to understand your version, nor Trump's version which is virtually the same as yours. Which is why I think the media intentionally distorts the truth and is "fake" when it does so.
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He knows he's blowing a dogwhistle and you respond every time, like a good obedient Trump Nationalist.
He's not a narcissist at all: "I would give myself, I would -- look, I hate to do it, but I will do it. I would give myself an A-plus, is that enough? Can I go higher than that?"
And when the media doesn't concur, he then judges them fake
And then you have Real news written by a Real president consisting of halftruths, falsehoods and a remark that would be expected from a sixth grader 
So funny to see little Adam Schitt (D-CA) talking about the fact that Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate, but not mentioning the fact that Bob Mueller (who is highly conflicted) was not approved by the Senate!
Hopefully you can figure out the lack of truth in the tweet above, or perhaps in your's and Trump's America, Trumps claims outweigh the rule of law. |
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11-19-2018, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
He knows he's blowing a dogwhistle
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leftists need some new material... |
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11-19-2018, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
He knows he's blowing a dogwhistle and you respond every time, like a good obedient Trump Nationalist.
You could have said what I think you meant to say here without resulting to memes. And it's an idiotic meme. You don't need the notion of a dog whistle and me being a dog to say that I agree with much, not all, of what Trump means by nationalism. But if you had used plain, direct, non-symbolic, non-derogatory language, my agreement would have been perfectly rational and wouldn't have the negative connotations you wrap it in.
He's not a narcissist at all: "I would give myself, I would -- look, I hate to do it, but I will do it. I would give myself an A-plus, is that enough? Can I go higher than that?"
Why do you bring this up to me. I never said that he isn't a narcissist. I've said things like other Presidents being narcissists, even more so than Trump, but they were considered good or great Presidents anyway. No matter how important his narcissism is to you, your passionate concerns don't persuade me to care.
And when the media doesn't concur, he then judges them fake
I assume that he would know when the media says something about him that is not true. Fake is an operative word. Now, maybe the media in such cases is not false, just wrong. But he gets accused of lying when he is wrong. So I can see him giving their own chit back to them.
But I have pointed out egregious instances where media got it wrong, and did so intentionally, in my opinion. And those are just the tip of the iceberg of false or erroneous reportage that I have seen over a long period of time. "Conservatives," in general have been noticing this well before Trump. So we understand what Trump means. Not that he is always right.
And then you have Real news written by a Real president consisting of halftruths, falsehoods and a remark that would be expected from a sixth grader
Yes, well, your ranting does resemble a kid who thinks he deserves the toy his mama won't buy for him. Not that it is so. Just sayin'
So funny to see little Adam Schitt (D-CA) talking about the fact that Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker was not approved by the Senate, but not mentioning the fact that Bob Mueller (who is highly conflicted) was not approved by the Senate!
Hopefully you can figure out the lack of truth in the tweet above, or perhaps in your's and Trump's America, Trumps claims outweigh the rule of law. |
I can figure out the truth in what he said. Perhaps you can figure out for me the lack of it. And why it matters so much to you.
And maybe you can tell me what my America is. I haven't been hiding it, but, perhaps I'm lying to myself . . . you know . . . like Trump and me do. I would be interested in your opinion. Then, maybe, you can get me to think like you.
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11-13-2018, 07:33 AM
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11-13-2018, 01:37 PM
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Trump refused to go outside bc he was afraid of stormy.
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11-13-2018, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Once again the embarrassment and chief.. can't just be a world leader He has to bet the ONE leader
When did Trump say or indicate that he is the only leader of the world? You have an extreme view.
Trump’s sudden decision not to visit the American cemetery outside Paris at Belleau Wood, site of one of the most horrific battles of World War I in which around 1,800 Americans gave their lives. The White House blamed his absence on a terrible, but it turned out non-existent, rainstorm.
Doesn't sound like his nationalism runs deep.
Arc de Triomphe in his own mini-motorcade, separated from the other heads of state who marched, arm-in-arm, up a heavily-policed Champs-Elysées. (This decision was due to security concerns, according to the White House.) The only other leader not to march with the rest? Vladimir Putin.
What the H was he afraid of. Just because we are told that the Europeans hate him way more than the other heads of state (who presumably also hate him), there should be no security concerns.
got a thumbs up from Putin
Oh . . . the horror!
Trump torches allies,
That's another extreme statement.
threatens NATO pullout
Has he pulled out? You trying to scare us? Sounds like fear tactics--Trump torches and threatens.
"Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism," Macron said at a gathering of world leaders, including Russian President Vladimir Putin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Trump. “Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism by saying, ‘Our interest first, who cares about the others?’ "
Did Trump say we shouldn't care about the others? Another extreme statement . . . or lie.
MAGA by losing one ally at a time ....
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Which ally have we lost? |
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11-13-2018, 02:53 PM
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Trump doesn’t read, I wonder who told him Germany was involved in WWI?
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11-13-2018, 04:22 PM
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President Donald Trump lashed out over his recent trip to Paris in a series of tweets Tuesday, blaming the Secret Service for his cancelled visit to a cemetery for fallen U.S. soldiers in France on Saturday. And tweeting make France great again what a solid guy
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11-13-2018, 07:04 PM
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That’s our commander in chief 👍🏿
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11-14-2018, 04:31 AM
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another from our butt hurt POTUS
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Emmanuel Macron suggests building its own army to protect Europe against the U.S., China and Russia. But it was Germany in World Wars One & Two - How did that work out for France? They were starting to learn German in Paris before the U.S. came along. Pay for NATO or not!
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11-14-2018, 06:38 AM
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If that doesn’t make you smile...
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11-14-2018, 08:19 AM
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It is my understanding President Trump didn't even go the 5 miles to Arlington for Vet. day.
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11-14-2018, 08:56 AM
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It is my understanding President Trump didn't even go the 5 miles to Arlington for Vet. day.
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Seems like he’s getting tired of winning.
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11-14-2018, 08:57 AM
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He is a busy man
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11-14-2018, 09:04 AM
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He is a busy man
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Sounds like he spends most of his time in bed watching cable news.
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11-14-2018, 09:21 AM
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Sounds like he spends most of his time in bed watching cable news.
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What, your work day doesn't start at 11:30 after a morning of 'executive time'  ?? |
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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11-14-2018, 09:51 AM
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What, your work day doesn't start at 11:30 after a morning of 'executive time' ?? |
Even then I'm not sure he does much. Doesn't like to be briefed, doesn't like to read, doesn't care to learn about history, can't take responsibility for anything and stomps his feet like a child when he doesn't get his way...
I have real concerns the administration is going from bad to worse quickly and Russia or China will move fast to take advantage of it. |
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11-14-2018, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Even then I'm not sure he does much. Doesn't like to be briefed, doesn't like to read, doesn't care to learn about history, can't take responsibility for anything and stomps his feet like a child when he doesn't get his way...
I have real concerns the administration is going from bad to worse quickly and Russia or China will move fast to take advantage of it.
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When Kelley leaves, the wheels will really start to fall off. Mattis can't be far behind. This border deployment must really go up his ass... |
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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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11-14-2018, 11:31 AM
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Even then I'm not sure he does much.
It's been reported that he has accomplished a good number of things as President. Probably stuff you don't like. So it's probably a bunch of lies.
Doesn't like to be briefed,
But he does it anyway.
doesn't like to read, doesn't care to learn about history,
https://www.usnews.com/news/slideshows/10-books-donald-trump-loves?slide=8 He probably didn't actually read these books. He probably just loves the covers.
can't take responsibility for anything and stomps his feet like a child when he doesn't get his way...
I have not heard about the foot stomping before. Good to know.
I have real concerns the administration is going from bad to worse quickly and Russia or China will move fast to take advantage of it.
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You mean the Russians don't already own Trump? |
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11-14-2018, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Even then I'm not sure he does much. Doesn't like to be briefed, doesn't like to read, doesn't care to learn about history, can't take responsibility for anything and stomps his feet like a child when he doesn't get his way...
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Walderman and Rubin's pieces in the WaPo today were interesting for sure... |
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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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11-14-2018, 09:08 AM
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I didn’t hear that sound Jeff. Get some rest,you are getting sloppy.
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11-14-2018, 10:03 AM
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You guys are all wrong. He is going to drain the swamp and only hire the best people.
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11-14-2018, 10:22 AM
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It’s easy to mock what you don’t understand.
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11-14-2018, 10:25 AM
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It’s easy to mock what you don’t understand.
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Clearly, you do it daily here... |
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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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11-14-2018, 11:37 AM
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Clearly, you do it daily here...
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