What the Epoch Times forgets to mention

[Pete F.]

This timeline provides a look at the key inflection points in the crucial ten-week period where the United States lost the ability to effectively respond to the virus that is causing unprecedented death and economic destruction.

JAN. 3, 2020
CDC is first alerted to a public health event in Wuhan Province, China.
Per HHS Secretary Alex Azar in Press Q&A.

JAN. 10, 2020
Former Trump Advisor: "We face a global health threat...*new* kind of coronavirus. Coordinate!"
Former Trump Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossert urges action on COVID-19.

JAN. 18, 2020
Azar can't get through to Trump to speak with him about the virus until Jan. 18. Trump redirects conversation to vaping.
Washington Post: Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar struggles to get through to Trump about the threat of COVID;

JAN. 20, 2020
"The first human infection with new coronavirus has been reported in the U.S."
CDC

JAN. 21, 2020
"VIRUS" "China virus kills six; 300 infected..."
Conservative media begins to sound the alarm, with the Drudge Report running “VIRUS” as a banner headline.

JAN. 21, 2020
"This is an evolving situation and again, we do expect additional cases in the United States"
The CDC’s Nancy Messonnier announces in a briefing that more cases are expected in the United States.

JAN. 22, 2020
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"We have it totally under control. It's one person coming in from China."
On CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” Trump dismisses the possibility of a coming pandemic.

JANUARY 2020
Intelligence agencies began warning Trump Admin that China wasn't being honest about the scale of the crisis as early as January.
Washington Post:

JAN. 24, 2020
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"The US greatly appreciates China's efforts and transparency. I want to thank President Xi!"
Trump tweets a thanks to China and President Xi “on behalf of the American people”

JAN. 27, 2020
Joe Biden: Short-sighted Trump has left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic
Biden op-ed on how Trump’s actions have hampered the U.S. ability to respond to coronavirus.

JAN. 28, 2020
Former Trump Admin Officials: "Act Now to Prevent an American Epidemic"
Scott Gottlieb and Luciana Borio op-ed in the Wall Street Journal offer 4-point plan to prepare for COVID-19

JAN. 29, 2020
Multiple news reports published on the need to address mask hoarding and shortages.
New York Times, The Atlantic

JAN. 28, 2020
Trump Admin Public Health Officials Begin Dire "Red Dawn" Email Chain discussing threat.
New York Times

JAN. 29, 2020
GOP Senator Tom Cotton Privately Warns Trump About Coronavirus Threat
From National Review article on the Senator who saw the virus coming.

FEB. 2, 2020
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"Well we pretty much shut it down coming in from China...Getting along with China. Getting along with Russia."
In an interview with Sean Hannity, Trump dismisses any threat from COVID-19.

FEB. 2, 2020
The Trump administration restricts travel from China for immigrants and noncitizens.
This was not a travel ban as Trump claims. Americans continue to fly between the countries.

FEB. 3, 2020
“If we take strong measures now, we may be able to blunt the impact of the virus on the United States”
Public health officials around the world prepare for “social distancing” measures.

FEB. 3, 2020
Fox News host Tucker Carlson begins covering COVID seriously after a friend with "access to intelligence" informs him of the extent of the threat.
Fox News

FEB. 4, 2020
"It’s time to start testing more people, even if they haven’t visited China or been in contact with someone infected"
In the Wall Street Journal, Former Trump Officials Scott Gottlieb & Luciana Borio urge the administration to expand testing, provide more protective equipment, and accelerate vaccine development.

FEB. 5, 2020
HHS Secretary Alex Azar requests $2 billion for respirator masks and other supplies. Trump officials balk, wait weeks, then ask for only $500 million.
Washington Post

FEB. 5, 2020
"Just left the Administration briefing on Coronavirus. Bottom line: they aren't taking this seriously enough...Local health systems need supplies, training, screening staff etc. And they need it now."
Senator Chris Murphy (D-CT) tweet

FEB. 7, 2020
Mike Pompeo announces that the Trump Administration is sending 17.8 tons of medical supplies to China.
State Department Press Release.

FEB. 10, 2020
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“A lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat—as the heat comes in.”
At a White House press conference, Trump suggests that COVID will go away as the weather gets warmer.

FEB. 20, 2020
Former Trump Officials Gottlieb & Borio urge expanded testing and increased vigilance against COVID.
Wall Street Journal op-ed

FEB. 23, 2020
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"President Xi loves his country. He’s working very hard to solve the problem and he will solve the problem. Okay?"
Trump defends the performance of Chinese President Xi Jinping at a press conference.

FEB. 23, 2020
Harvard School of Public Health official Michael Mina issues a warning on limited COVID tests and the lack of transparency on testing failures.
Twitter

FEB. 24, 2020
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"Coronavirus very much under control...Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
Trump Tweet.

Note: The Dow Jones was at 27,960 that day. It has dropped as low as 18,591.

FEB 24, 2020
"You should seriously consider buying these {stock market} dips."
Trump’s top economic advisor Larry Kudlow

FEB. 24, 2020
Dr. Robert Kadlec at HHS requests urgent COVID task force meeting with POTUS to provide social distancing recommendations.
Meeting is cancelled. President did not make social distancing recommendations until 3/16, 21 days later.

FEB. 25, 2020
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"Cryin Chuck Schumer is complaining...that I should be asking for more money than $2.5 Billion to prepare for Coronavirus
Trump requests $1.8-2.5 billion for COVID response, mocks Democrats for saying more is needed.

FEB. 25, 2020
CDC Expert Nancy Messonnier: "Disruption to everyday life might be severe."
Messonnier warns Americans to start preparing for school and business closures in response to the virus. Trump reportedly shouted at his staffers in response to the warning, complaining that she was scaring people.

FEB. 26, 2020
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"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done"
Trump press conference

FEB. 27, 2020
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"It's gonna disappear one day, it's like a miracle, it will disappear"
Trump press conference

FEB. 29, 2020
First COVID-19 death in United States
A Washington state man in his 50s became the first person to die from COVID in the United States.

MAR. 4, 2020
The Department of Health and Human Services stated that they had only about 1% of the respirators needed for a full-blown pandemic.
HHS statement to CNBC

MAR. 4, 2020
Trump ally Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL) wears gas mask on house floor to mock those expressing concerns about the coming pandemic.
Within a few days, Gaetz is under quarantine and has one of his constituents die of COVID.

MAR. 4, 2020
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"President Xi is working very, very hard in China...Their numbers have gotten much better with respect to the coronavirus, very much better"
Trump again praises China’s President Xi on his performance fighting COVID.

MAR. 6, 2020
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"I’ve heard the numbers are getting much better in China, but I hear the numbers are getting much better in Italy"
Trump states that the number of COVID cases are going down in both China and Italy. Note: China has faced widespread skepticism over its reported numbers, and in early March Italy’s cases were beginning to skyrocket.

MAR. 6, 2020
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"I like this stuff. I really get it... Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability."
Trump during a tour of the CDC in Atlanta.

MAR. 6, 2020
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“I didn’t know people died from the flu.”
A Trump remark during a tour of the CDC in Atlanta.

MAR. 6, 2020
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“I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault...I'd rather have them stay on, personally.”
Trump suggests that he doesn’t want Americans sickened by COVID on a cruise to return the United States, because it would make the numbers of infected in the country look worse.

MAR. 6, 2020
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“Anybody who wants a test gets a test.”
Trump lies about test availability during a tour of the CDC in Atlanta. Note: On this date just 1911 tests were conducted in the whole country.

MAR. 6, 2020
"We don't have enough tests today to meet what we anticipate will be the demand going forward"
Vice President Pence.

MAR. 7, 2020
Conservative journalist Tucker Carlson flies to Mar-a-Lago to implore Trump to take the coronavirus threat more seriously in private.
Vanity Fair.

MAR. 9, 2020
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"So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on."
Trump tweets a comparison to seasonal flu.

MAR. 9, 2020
"People you voted for have spent weeks minimizing what is clearly a very serious problem. It's definitely not just the flu."
Tucker Carlson obliquely criticizes Trump in his opening monologue.

MAR. 9, 2020
"It’s now or never for the U.S. if it hopes to keep coronavirus from burning out of control"
Tom Bossert, Former Homeland Security advisor for Trump, urges swift and aggressive action against the virus to prevent catastrophe.

MAR. 10, 2020
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"It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
Trump remarks during a press conference.

MAR. 10, 2020
"Viruses that spread like this tend to spread more. In certain communities at-risk people need to listen to social distancing recommendations. "
CDC official Nancy Messonnier sounds the alarm again.

MAR. 10, 2020
"A looming shortage in lab materials is threatening to delay coronavirus test results and cause officials to undercount the number of Americans with the virus"
POLITICO reports that US testing is threatened by lab material shortages

MAR. 11, 2020
"Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson have contracted the virus. An NBA player has it. Stock market futures plunge again. The NBA season is canceled."
The scope and severity of the crisis becomes tangible.

MAR. 11, 2020
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“If we get rid of the coronavirus problem quickly, we won’t need [economic] stimulus.”
Trump minimizes the potential economic impact at a press conference.

MAR. 12, 2020
House Democrats propose additional economic stimulus to address crisis
Initial package.

MAR. 12, 2020
“The bottom line is it’s going to get worse...the number could go way up and be involved in many, many millions"
Remarks from Anthony Fauci, head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, as the US death toll reaches 37.

MAR. 13, 2020
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"I don't take responsibility at all."
Trump’s remarks at a White House Rose Garden press conference.

MAR. 20, 2020
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Jared Kushner said it was on this date that he began to "build a team" to address the logistics of the COVID-19 crisis.
Trump Press Conference

https://thebulwark.com/the-ten-weeks...6a0f3-79680897

[detbuch]

You're quotes by Trump are selected out of broader contexts. And many were off the cuff remarks that reflected the general consensus being narrated by WHO, the Dems, the MSM, as well. Pasting them all together as a timeline without also inserting them within "the big picture" is obviously meant to slant against Trump.

And some points are misleading such as saying the travel ban was not a travel ban. It absolutely was a ban, as it stated, on foreign nationals, and the Americans that were still "traveling" were basically those who were returning from China.

Several bullet points were actually failures of the federal administrative agencies to be appropriately stocked before Trump was elected, as well and even more telling, failures of State and local agencies to have maintained supplies and readiness,exemplified by New York where a great percentage of the outbreak has occurred. And the testing delays were directly attributable the failure of the CDC to create test kits when it tried to invent a better test than was already being used by other countries and WHO, and the created kits were faulty so were returned after sparse use until the CDC finally, sort of, got it right. The delays in kits, and supplies was a failure of the whole entrenched bureaucracy at all levels of government. Trump had to lead the effort to correct that failure, which pretty much has happened.

[Sea Dangles]

Bitchslappedboy is just crying wolf like he did during the Impeachmas hoax. Empty barrels ring loudest as you may notice. He is just a liberal fool with nothing better to do than repeat #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& talking points.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Bitchslappedboy is just crying wolf like he did during the Impeachmas hoax. Empty barrels ring loudest as you may notice. He is just a liberal fool with nothing better to do than repeat #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& talking points.
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Yet, you lack the intelligence to debate anyone. You are a vile (vial) scummy person.

[Jim in CT]

Given all that info that we had back in January, can we agree that one thing Trump did, was restrict travel from China? And Joe Biden came out against that, said it was an overreaction, so he wouldn't have even done that.

Good thing Biden wasn't in charge. Right? Otherwise, this is just an exercise in bashing Trump, not an exercise that cares at all about truth.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Given all that info that we had back in January, can we agree that one thing Trump did, was restrict travel from China? And Joe Biden came out against that, said it was an overreaction, so he wouldn't have even done that.

Good thing Biden wasn't in charge. Right? Otherwise, this is just an exercise in bashing Trump, not an exercise that cares at all about truth.

I think you managed to get everything wrong.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yet, you lack the intelligence to debate anyone. You are a vile (vial) scummy person.

Thanks for sharing PaulS.
You can rest easy now.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

You're quotes by Trump are selected out of broader contexts. And many were off the cuff remarks that reflected the general consensus being narrated by WHO, the Dems, the MSM, as well. Pasting them all together as a timeline without also inserting them within "the big picture" is obviously meant to slant against Trump.

Do you need a book?
They are not "out of context".
The quotes certainly show the tone of Trump*s statements regarding Covid-19 during that time period.
The invalid Trumplican excuse of "off the cuff" is very weak and does not excuse his speech anymore than it did any previous occupant of the Oval Office.
You could point out quotes or statements of his from that time that contradict them.

And some points are misleading such as saying the travel ban was not a travel ban. It absolutely was a ban, as it stated, on foreign nationals, and the Americans that were still "traveling" were basically those who were returning from China.


Unfortunately, Trump* thought just as he did in 2014 that all you had to do was stop flights and everything would be OK
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Oct 7, 2014
Despite the ever increasing Ebola disaster, Obama refuses to stop flights from West Africa.It's almost like he's saying F-you to U.S. public

Flights were never stopped from West Africa in 2014 but Ebola did not come here or spread thru the world, did it?

30 thousand people returned from China in the month before he stopped foreigners from coming to the US from China, thousand of citizens and legal residents came in the month after and the traffic only stopped because the airlines stopped servicing the routes.

Several bullet points were actually failures of the federal administrative agencies to be appropriately stocked before Trump was elected, (How many years have to go by before the current president is responsible? Does this work for leaders of organizations outside of government also? How many CEO's get away with that?) as well and even more telling, failures of State and local agencies to have maintained supplies and readiness,exemplified by New York where a great percentage of the outbreak has occurred. Should they maintain standing armies also and the needed armament to prepare for being invaded? Just who is the National Stockpile for anyways, maybe you could explain that. And the testing delays were directly attributable the failure of the CDC to create test kits when it tried to invent a better test than was already being used by other countries and WHO, and the created kits were faulty so were returned after sparse use until the CDC finally, sort of, got it right. The delays in kits, and supplies was a failure of the whole entrenched bureaucracy at all levels of government. Trump had to lead the effort to correct that failure, which pretty much has happened.

Trump*failed to lead the CDC's effort by any measure. Leading the Executive branch responsible for managing the day to day operations of the Federal Government is his job. He volunteered for it, campaigned for it, accepted it and took the oath. He hasn't done it.
He has lead his blaming brigade every minute he has been on the air for weeks, in blaming and shuffling off responsibility anywhere possible.

I have noticed that Fox News and the president no longer love the hydroxychloroquine. Perhaps the president and his propaganda arm should stop handing out medical advice?

The longer we pretend that Trump* isn’t mentally ill, the more devastation we’re going to experience.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Given all that info that we had back in January, can we agree that one thing Trump did, was restrict travel from China? And Joe Biden came out against that, said it was an overreaction, so he wouldn't have even done that.

Good thing Biden wasn't in charge. Right? Otherwise, this is just an exercise in bashing Trump, not an exercise that cares at all about truth.

Truth is what you claim?

Trump*s travel ban was on what date?
Azar declared a public health emergency for the novel coronavirus on Jan. 31, and announced the travel restrictions to and from China, effective Feb. 2.
Isn't that correct?
Biden wrote an Op-ed in USA today on January 27th and espoused the same talking points again at a political event within hours of Azar's announcement.

"The possibility of a pandemic is a challenge Donald Trump is unqualified to handle as president. I remember how Trump sought to stoke fear and stigma during the 2014 Ebola epidemic. He called President Barack Obama a “dope” and “incompetent” and railed against the evidence-based response our administration put in place — which quelled the crisis and saved hundreds of thousands of lives — in favor of reactionary travel bans that would only have made things worse. He advocated abandoning exposed and infected American citizens rather than bringing them home for treatment.

Trump’s demonstrated failures of judgment and his repeated rejection of science make him the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health challenge.

The outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700 people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least five in the United States. There will likely be more.

Diseases don't stop at borders or walls
The State Department has scheduled an evacuation flight and advised Americans against traveling to Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, and is evacuating non-essential personnel.

Trump has blithely tweeted that “it will all work out well.” Yet the steps he has taken as president have only weakened our capacity to respond.

Trump has rolled back much of the progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. He proposed draconian cuts to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Agency for International Development — the very agencies we need to fight this outbreak and prevent future ones.

He dismissed the top White House official in charge of global health security and dismantled the entire team. And he has treated with utmost contempt institutions that facilitate international cooperation, thus undermining the global efforts that keep us safe from pandemics and biological attacks.

To be blunt, I am concerned that the Trump administration’s shortsighted policies have left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic that will come sooner or later.

Pandemic diseases are a prime example of why international cooperation is a requirement of leadership in 2020. Diseases do not stop at borders. They cannot be thwarted by building a wall. We cannot keep ourselves safe without helping to keep others safe as well and without enlisting the help of other nations in return. And here’s the truth — the United States must step forward to lead these efforts, because no other nation has the resources, the reach or the relationships to marshal an effective international response."

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Given all that info that we had back in January, can we agree that one thing Trump did, was restrict travel from China? And Joe Biden came out against that, said it was an overreaction, so he wouldn't have even done that.

.

Doing that was so minor it was like praising Hussain for making a US squad briefly withdraw during the Iraqi war.

There are so many things he ignored and lied about since that the totality paints a damning picture of someone so unprepared for the job (which is what everyone has been saying since the election).

[Sea Dangles]

Thank goodness we have experts here to guide our president if the need arises.👍🏽
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Truth is what you claim?

Trump*s travel ban was on what date?
Azar declared a public health emergency for the novel coronavirus on Jan. 31, and announced the travel restrictions to and from China, effective Feb. 2.
Isn't that correct?
Biden wrote an Op-ed in USA today on January 27th and espoused the same talking points again at a political event within hours of Azar's announcement.

"The possibility of a pandemic is a challenge Donald Trump is unqualified to handle as president. I remember how Trump sought to stoke fear and stigma during the 2014 Ebola epidemic. He called President Barack Obama a “dope” and “incompetent” and railed against the evidence-based response our administration put in place — which quelled the crisis and saved hundreds of thousands of lives — in favor of reactionary travel bans that would only have made things worse. He advocated abandoning exposed and infected American citizens rather than bringing them home for treatment.

Trump’s demonstrated failures of judgment and his repeated rejection of science make him the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health challenge.

The outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700 people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least five in the United States. There will likely be more.

Diseases don't stop at borders or walls
The State Department has scheduled an evacuation flight and advised Americans against traveling to Hubei province, the epicenter of the outbreak, and is evacuating non-essential personnel.

Trump has blithely tweeted that “it will all work out well.” Yet the steps he has taken as president have only weakened our capacity to respond.

Trump has rolled back much of the progress President Obama and I made to strengthen global health security. He proposed draconian cuts to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the Agency for International Development — the very agencies we need to fight this outbreak and prevent future ones.

He dismissed the top White House official in charge of global health security and dismantled the entire team. And he has treated with utmost contempt institutions that facilitate international cooperation, thus undermining the global efforts that keep us safe from pandemics and biological attacks.

To be blunt, I am concerned that the Trump administration’s shortsighted policies have left us unprepared for a dangerous epidemic that will come sooner or later.

Pandemic diseases are a prime example of why international cooperation is a requirement of leadership in 2020. Diseases do not stop at borders. They cannot be thwarted by building a wall. We cannot keep ourselves safe without helping to keep others safe as well and without enlisting the help of other nations in return. And here’s the truth — the United States must step forward to lead these efforts, because no other nation has the resources, the reach or the relationships to marshal an effective international response."

"Truth is what you claim?"

Here's what I claimed:

One, Trump restricted travel from China, I believe in late January.

Two, Biden claimed that was an over-reaction and racist (therefore, safe to say Biden wouldn't have done it).

Three, Trump haters are saying he didn't do enough. If Trump didn't do enough, and Biden (at the time) wouldn't have done what Trump did, that mean Biden would have done less.

If Trump ordered schools and businesses locked down in January, the left would have said he was a berserk dictator. There was zero consensus in January that we weren't doing nearly enough. Hindsight is always 20-20.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Doing that was so minor it was like praising Hussain for making a US squad briefly withdraw during the Iraqi war.

There are so many things he ignored and lied about since that the totality paints a damning picture of someone so unprepared for the job (which is what everyone has been saying since the election).

We have absolutely no way of estimating the impact of what he did. None. SO you'll believe estimates that make Trump look bad, Sean Hannity will believe estimates that say that saved 200 million lives. I have no idea. What I know, is that at the time, people said it was an overreaction. At the time, (later, in fact, at the end of February) Nancy Pelosi and Bill Diblasio were encouraging their constituents to go out to crowded public places. No one here will comment on that, other than to say I made it all up, even though I provided videos. Because this forum isn't about truth. It's about attacking Trump.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think you managed to get everything wrong.
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I think you are too small-minded to be able to comment rationally on anything that doesn't make Trump look bad. I go where the facts take me. You live in a conservative=bad tunnel, no exceptions, not ever.

[Jim in CT]

To the libs here...if Trump was negligent for not doing more in January, why can't any of you say that Pelosi and Diblasio were more negligent for going on TV in late February, and encouraging their constituents to go to crowded public places?

Answer: Orange Man Bad. Nothing else matters.

I stopped watching the daily briefings because I cannot stand Trumps style, I just can't take the attacks and the blaming and passing the buck. I can say that even though I will vote for Trump again, because I am not crazy.

None of you can say that if Trump was negligent in January, that necessarily means Pelosi and DIblasio were more negligent in late February. You can't say that, because you can't criticize a democrat. SO you try to have it both ways. Sorry.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump*failed to lead the CDC's effort by any measure. Leading the Executive branch responsible for managing the day to day operations of the Federal Government is his job. He volunteered for it, campaigned for it, accepted it and took the oath.

He didn't fail to lead the CDC. It failed to produce what it was tasked to do. Even if it would have used the testing that was already available which was used by other countries instead of trying to produce a better one, testing could have started earlier. And it even flubbed what it was trying to do which created the delay that Trump is blamed for. AND IF CHINA WOULD HAVE BEEN TRUTHFUL IMMEDIATELY, and stopped travel out of China when it stopped travel internally, the whole world would have been able to respond correctly and much of the spread would have been prevented.

The notion that Trump, or any President, should have known that the CDC was on the wrong path is ridiculous. The President can only react to the failure, not prevent it. The administration, including experts like Fauci and Berx, did what was necessary to fix the problem. Of course, the talking point is Trump acted too late.


He has lead his blaming brigade every minute he has been on the air for weeks, in blaming and shuffling off responsibility anywhere possible.

Yeah, not is only that an exaggeration, but there has been a blaming brigade of politicians and media and including folks like you that has and is constantly blaming Trump instead of the real culprit. Once China loosed many thousands of Chinese that had been exposed to the virus to travel to the rest of the world, including many to the US, it was too late for an unprepared world "community" which didn't know they were being infected until all they could do is react. And yes, it's true that the "plan" that Biden and Obama and Bush made was not followed even by them after their bouts with epidemics were over. They did not restock depleted equipment and supplies nor maintain a readiness protocol as prescribed by their "plan." Nor did the states and cities and administrative agencies as the "plan" required. Trump had to fix that and it has been "reported" that he has done what a lot did not think was possible in such a short time.

And, because of China's and the WHO duplicity, the downplaying "messaging" was being mouthed by the Dems, the WHO, the media, experts like Fauci, not just Trump, during that supposedly critical early stage time.

And, of course, politics had to be played. The crisis provided the opportunity, which must not be wasted, to politicize. That seems to be more important than fighting the disease.

I have noticed that Fox News and the president no longer love the hydroxychloroquine. Perhaps the president and his propaganda arm should stop handing out medical advice?

I don't know about that. Not on my radar. Far as I know, the use of that medicine was being done before Trump said anything. And is reported to being used effectively now. The doctors who prescribe it, I'm sure, aren't doing so because of anything Trump said. Your model, South Korea, uses it as part of their protocol. There has as yet not been a completed, peer reviewed study on its effectiveness. And those, such as the VA limited one, did not, it "is being reported" use the total combination of meds that is recommended. But I certainly don't blame Trump for recommending it, nor credit him for any successful use of it. It's a medical protocol used by medical people, and shouldn't be a political weapon one way or the other.

The longer we pretend that Trump* isn’t mentally ill, the more devastation we’re going to experience.

Yeah, that's it . . . he's mentally ill. Geez.

[PaulS]

DeBlasio and Pelosi are not the president of the US and did not receive the briefings that he did. Nor did they constantly lie and refuse to take any responsibility
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[Sea Dangles]

They certainly left themselves without a leg to stand on regarding the issue. But they still bloviate as if they knew all along. Good members of the Party.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

To the libs here...if Trump was negligent for not doing more in January, why can't any of you say that Pelosi and Diblasio were more negligent for going on TV in late February, and encouraging their constituents to go to crowded public places?

Answer: Orange Man Bad. Nothing else matters.

I stopped watching the daily briefings because I cannot stand Trumps style, I just can't take the attacks and the blaming and passing the buck. I can say that even though I will vote for Trump again, because I am not crazy.

None of you can say that if Trump was negligent in January, that necessarily means Pelosi and DIblasio were more negligent in late February. You can't say that, because you can't criticize a democrat. SO you try to have it both ways. Sorry.

All the base knows is Orange Man Bad.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

DeBlasio and Pelosi are not the president of the US and did not receive the briefings that he did. Nor did they constantly lie and refuse to take any responsibility
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"DeBlasio and Pelosi are not the president of the US"

Thanks for the scoop!

"and did not receive the briefings that he did'

I see! So you have seen transcripts of the briefings that Pelosi, the speaker of the house, did attend? You know for a certainty that she had no reason not to tell people to go to Chinatown, but that Trump should have known to do more. Wow!

You are making stuff up out of thin air, stuff you can't possibly know, because only Trump can be at fault.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

All the base knows is Orange Man Bad.
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That's literally all there is. Everything they post, boils down to that. Everything. It's amazing.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

DeBlasio and Pelosi are not the president of the US and did not receive the briefings that he did. Nor did they constantly lie and refuse to take any responsibility
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What specific and DEFINITIVE briefings did the President get? Vague reports such as China may not be telling the truth, for instance are not definitively actionable. Reports that the virus might be passed human to human would not be conclusive enough to immediately shut down the country. Nor would they solve the problem of our FDA and CDC not being prepared as they were supposed to be for a pandemic. Nor the problem of the States and cities as well being understocked and unprepared. There was supposed to be a "plan" in place to immediately respond to a pandemic. No one was following the plan. (And yeah, that would include DeBlasio who was not following the "plan" as required, and Pelosi the Speaker of the House which is responsible for oversight of regulatory agencies. And yeah, both are consummate political liars. And yeah, neither is the sharpest tack in the drawer.)

It certainly did not help to have the WHO claim their was no indication that the virus was transferrable human to human, therefor not easily contagious. And recommending not to take drastic measures because that would instill unnecessary fear and panic. Nor was it helpful that this attitude was accepted by our politicians, medical community, and media. Trump, in that atmosphere, would have been blistered as an authoritarian demagogue if he would have shut the country down at that time. Nor would it have been likely that he could have convinced the Congress to spend trillions to fight what was not believed to be that serious.

Plus, at the time of any intelligence briefings, the virus would have already arrived and infected enough thousands that the spread would be rapid and already huge.

With what was actually known, and what was nearly universally believed, there was nothing realistically that could be done in time to stop what happened.

And there is one, true, demonic, culprit. The CCP. That should be enough for the rest of the world to begin weening off of China's cheap technological labor, and economic "help" enough to help bring about its demise. You and Pete F may think the world will be saved by getting rid of Trump. I think Trump is the wrong boogey man. Rather, the world will be rescued from a severe political and economic virus when the CCP is abolished.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"DeBlasio and Pelosi are not the president of the US"

Thanks for the scoop!

"and did not receive the briefings that he did'

I see! So you have seen transcripts of the briefings that Pelosi, the speaker of the house, did attend? You know for a certainty that she had no reason not to tell people to go to Chinatown, but that Trump should have known to do more. Wow!

You are making stuff up out of thin air, stuff you can't possibly know, because only Trump can be at fault.

Well I'm glad you now recognized they are not president since you seemed to not understand that and posted something so ignorant. See I can insult you too. There have been many instances where people have posted times when Trump has been informed about the pandemic. You can continue to ignore them.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

That's literally all there is. Everything they post, boils down to that. Everything. It's amazing.

And you continue to defend him even though Pete has posted hundreds of bullet points indicating when Trump said something and when he was told something and you continue to ignore them. It boils down to your trying to defend him as much as you can.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well I'm glad you now recognized they are not president since you seemed to not understand that and posted something so ignorant. See I can insult you too. There have been many instances where people have posted times when Trump has been informed about the pandemic. You can continue to ignore them.
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What specific and DEFINITIVE briefings did the President get? Vague reports such as China may not be telling the truth, for instance are not definitively actionable. Reports that the virus might be passed human to human would not be conclusive enough to immediately shut down the country. Nor would they solve the problem of our FDA and CDC not being prepared as they were supposed to be for a pandemic. Nor the problem of the States and cities as well being understocked and unprepared. There was supposed to be a "plan" in place to immediately respond to a pandemic. No one was following the plan. (And yeah, that would include DeBlasio who was not following the "plan" as required, and Pelosi the Speaker of the House which is responsible for oversight of regulatory agencies. And yeah, both are consummate political liars. And yeah, neither is the sharpest tack in the drawer.)

It certainly did not help to have the WHO claim their was no indication that the virus was transferrable human to human, therefor not easily contagious. And recommending not to take drastic measures because that would instill unnecessary fear and panic. Nor was it helpful that this attitude was accepted by our politicians, medical community, and media. Trump, in that atmosphere, would have been blistered as an authoritarian demagogue if he would have shut the country down at that time. Nor would it have been likely that he could have convinced the Congress to spend trillions to fight what was not believed to be that serious.

Plus, at the time of any intelligence briefings, the virus would have already arrived and infected enough thousands that the spread would be rapid and already huge.

With what was actually known, and what was nearly universally believed, there was nothing realistically that could be done in time to stop what happened.

And there is one, true, demonic, culprit. The CCP. That should be enough for the rest of the world to begin weening off of China's cheap technological labor, and economic "help" enough to help bring about its demise. You and Pete F may think the world will be saved by getting rid of Trump. I think Trump is the wrong boogey man. Rather, the world will be rescued from a severe political and economic virus when the CCP is abolished.

[PaulS]

If I ignored you the first time what makes you think I could care enough to respond this time?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by PaulS

If I ignored you the first time what makes you think I could care enough to respond this time?
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I thought you might be a bit consistent. You want us not to ignore Pete F's bullet points. I wrongly figured that you would reciprocate what you want others to do, and not ignore what they post.

Now I know better.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What specific and DEFINITIVE briefings did the President get? We will find out sooner or later, though Trump* has done more than any other President in history to hide his actions Vague reports such as China may not be telling the truth, for instance are not definitively actionable. So are you claiming that our intelligencce agencies did not include the information in the PDR? Reports that the virus might be passed human to human would not be conclusive enough to immediately shut down the country. He was told, he ignored the information Nor would they solve the problem of our FDA and CDC not being prepared as they were supposed to be for a pandemic. He is in charge of the Federal government. Nor the problem of the States and cities as well being understocked and unprepared. There was supposed to be a "plan" in place to immediately respond to a pandemic. No one was following the plan. The plan has protocols for leaders to follow, claiming it was only one person, it is only a few, it will disappear one day like a miracle is not a part of the protocol nor anything that any rational leader would do in the fface of a threat. (And yeah, that would include DeBlasio who was not following the "plan" as required, and Pelosi the Speaker of the House which is responsible for oversight of regulatory agencies. And yeah, both are consummate political liars. And yeah, neither is the sharpest tack in the drawer.) I could give a #^&#^&#^&#^& about a Mayor, but let's look at what Trump* has done to restrict Congressional oversight under his administration. He has refused to comply with any Congressional requests, do you think that it occurs like a miracle one day the information just appears?

It certainly did not help to have the WHO claim their was no indication that the virus was transferrable human to human, therefor not easily contagious.
10 January 2020

WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.
Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers.
14 January 2020
WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.

And recommending not to take drastic measures because that would instill unnecessary fear and panic. Cite a source for this, I find numerous instances of the Trump administration failing to take action because of fear of upsetting the markets exist. Nor was it helpful that this attitude was accepted by our politicians, medical community, and media. Trump, in that atmosphere, would have been blistered as an authoritarian demagogue if he would have shut the country down at that time. Now you are acknowledging that he is so weak that his actions are decided not by what is best for the country, but what is best for him politically. Nor would it have been likely that he could have convinced the Congress to spend trillions to fight what was not believed to be that serious. Late January, 2020: HHS sends a letter asking to use its transfer authority to shift $136 million of department funds into pools that could be tapped for combating the coronavirus. White House budget hawks argued that appropriating too much money at once when there were only a few U.S. cases would be viewed as alarmist.

Plus, at the time of any intelligence briefings, the virus would have already arrived and infected enough thousands that the spread would be rapid and already huge.

With what was actually known, and what was nearly universally believed, there was nothing realistically that could be done in time to stop what happened. You forgot the ten weeks of failing to lead

And there is one, true, demonic, culprit. The CCP. That should be enough for the rest of the world to begin weening off of China's cheap technological labor, and economic "help" enough to help bring about its demise. You and Pete F may think the world will be saved by getting rid of Trump. I think Trump is the wrong boogey man. Rather, the world will be rescued from a severe political and economic virus when the CCP is abolished.

Well your Stable Genius is certainly not capable of weaning anything, he doesn't have enough self control to deal with an umbrella, never mind a foreign government.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · Mar 27
Just finished a very good conversation with President Xi of China. Discussed in great detail the CoronaVirus that is ravaging large parts of our Planet. China has been through much & has developed a strong understanding of the Virus. We are working closely together. Much respect!

Trump is a poster child for being played by China.

At the time of this tweet, China was engaged in multi-platform attacks on the American people to bolster their own image and credibility (this tweet helps them with that) and to undermine ours.

China has a lot to thank Trump for.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I thought you might be a bit consistent.

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he's afraid

[Pete F.]

I saw who posted and figured I probably made a spelling mistake, the horror........