Charlottesville

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I never said anything about the quality of the people, I said more than one side gets to share in the blame.

ANTIFA started pushing and shoving and that's when the chit hit the fan. That woman may still be alive if people just let those asshats say there stupid BS rhetoric and moved on.

Nobody in their right mine is going to put neo nazis on a moral pedestal
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WoW you just blamed someone else for the cause of this women's death other than the neo Nazi driving the car ... spoken like a true trumpanzee

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by doc

"you also had people that were VERY FINE people on BOTH sides."

perhaps you missed that comment which is similar to his original comment 'many sides' and his many comments suggesting that people on both sides are to blame...which is an obvious and disgusting attempt at moral equivalence. that is beneath the office of the presidency regardless of party and it should be an outrage that unites us all...

I addressed that. How do you know there weren't good people, who were there to peacefully protest taking down the statues? He specifically condemned the violence and bigotry, so it stands to reason that when he says there were "good people" in the crowd, he's referring to the ones that aren't violent bigots. If there are any, and maybe there weren't, in which case he was wrong.

Should he have phrased it differently? Sure. But it's not like he said "boy those white supremacists, I totally sympathize with their mission. I mean I live in New York, and if anyone has a reason to really despise blacks, it's me. In fact, let me write a big, fat check to the Klan right now". People are reacting as if that's what he said. He condemned violence and bigotry on all sides. "All sides" necessarily includes the side that the Nazis were on.

Now, I remember a long car ride when I was 8, I was in the back seat with my 12 year old brother. At one point he punched me in the head, I let out a large cry, and my dad (who was driving and stressed out) yelled "you two knock it off!!" Now, should he have yelled at my brother more than me? Sure. Did I conclude he liked what my brother did? Of course not. He used a poor choice of words.

If you want to say that Trump could have done more to single out the side that caused most of this, fine. To say he "defended" the Nazis? It's bonkers. Someone here suggested Trump is responsible for a synagogue that was vandalized. His daughter and son-in-law, both of whom Trump obviously adores, are Jews.

You can't have a rational conversation about Trump, with many liberals, including most of the media. You just can't. Maybe they were so embarrassed by ALL saying that the only thing not known on election night, was how lopsided Hilary's victory would be...maybe that shame and humiliation caused all of them to blow a gasket.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I addressed that. How do you know there weren't good people, who were there to peacefully protest taking down the statues?

If I went to protest the removal of a confederate statue as one of the good people Trump claims were there ..and people around me showed up with torchs and nazi flags and anti Jewish slogans . And I didn't leave.. I need to re consider my choices . just saying.

If they stayed and joined in the rally with everything happening around them they lose their good people Status

[Nebe]

No one who thinks the color of their skin or their religion is better than someone else is a good person. And I think you can lump all of the alt right into that group, no ?
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[Sea Dangles]

Inadvertently stumbled upon a blm rally in Charleston tonight on my way to eat the best steak I ever sank my teeth into . They were huddled around a statue of a redneck named Calhoun. One person out of the 50 or so was black🤷🏿#^&♂️. This has given a cause to liberals who simply look for a cause. People need to get something to rally around but Kaepernick found it before Trump was even elected. Yet some folks like Wayne want to pretend it started with the cheetoh.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Inadvertently stumbled upon a blm rally in Charleston tonight on my way to eat the best steak I ever sank my teeth into . They were huddled around a statue of a redneck named Calhoun. One person out of the 50 or so was black🤷🏿#^&♂️. This has given a cause to liberals who simply look for a cause. People need to get something to rally around but Kaepernick found it before Trump was even elected. Yet some folks like Wayne want to pretend it started with the cheetoh.
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Funny some people are more upset over Kaepernick .. And I see no support for him exercising his 1st Amendment rights .. but Nazis thats different ... the problem is you thought this was never a problem .. theses people have always been around in the shadows as I said some blame O for BLM but wont hold the Cheeto same standard ..

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Funny some people are more upset over Kaepernick .. And I see no support for him exercising his 1st Amendment rights .. but Nazis thats different ... ..

the question was never whether Kaepernick could exercise his 1st Amendment right..he's free to do so...the 1st Amendment limits government's(Congress shall make no law) ability to prevent him from doing so....says nothing regarding an employer's ability to prevent him from doing so through policy, punishment or dismissal....or other "companies" from refusing to hire him because they disagree with his views...where it applies to the knuckleheads in Charleston...they have the right to free speech and to peaceably assemble...seems civil disobedience has become a trending and popular form of protest

[Sea Dangles]

The same folks who condemn The Cheato for not using strong enough language regarding the latest struggle were silent when Obama refused to single out radical Islamic terrorism. Funny how convenient it becomes when it suits the agenda ..
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The same folks who condemn The Cheato for not using strong enough language regarding the latest struggle were silent when Obama refused to single out radical Islamic terrorism. Funny how convenient it becomes when it suits the agenda ..
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Trump loves saying “radical Islamic terrorism.” He has a tough time with “white supremacy.”


So should Trump call them Radical Christian White supremacy terrorism how would that go over with his base ???

read up O has explained many time why he wouldn't use “radical Islamic terrorism.” seem's you conveniently forgot who those people were who were most upset about Him not saying that... and how it fit their agenda.. FYI : the Right

[scottw]

not that they aren't deplorable, but you don't really hear much from these skin head/supremist/nazi whatevers very often.....you do, on the other hand...frequently hear from and witness the carnage from the other groups mentioned here on a regular basis, particularly over the last dozen years....and they easily lead the league in death, mayhem and destruction during that time...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So should Trump call them Radical Christian White supremacy terrorism how would that go over with his base ???

were they protesting in the name of Christ?...musta missed that

[boot man]

Originally Posted by scottw

were they protesting in the name of Christ?...musta missed that

Well by process of elimination, it wasn't in the name of Judaism, Islam, Santeria, .....

White, European heritage is usually Christian. But nobody said they were doing in the name of all Christians, just the twisted view of these Nazis and White Supremacists. Oh and those 2 fine people that were only there to protest the potential removal of a statue.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by boot man

Well by process of elimination, it wasn't in the name of Judaism, Islam, Santeria, .....

White, European heritage is usually Christian. But nobody said they were doing in the name of all Christians, just the twisted view of these Nazis and White Supremacists. Oh and those 2 fine people that were only there to protest the potential removal of a statue.
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we know that Jesus was both a man of color and a Jew/the original Christian...and probably opposed slavery....so not sure how Nazis and White Supremacists can be labeled or lumped in with or as being "Christians"?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

were they protesting in the name of Christ?...musta missed that

Sure, because Jesus was obviously a white supremacist. Don't you know anything?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Sure, because Jesus was obviously a white supremacist. Don't you know anything?

he did have those 12 slaves that he liked to order around

[buckman]

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So should Trump call them Radical Christian White supremacy terrorism how would that go over with his base ???

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Describe Trumps base for me please . I need a good laugh
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[scottw]

August 16, 2017

"A bronze statue of George Washington on horseback stands at the corner of 51st and King Drive, at the northwest entrance to Washington Park. Bishop James Dukes, pastor of Liberation Christian Center, said he wants the statue gone, and he wants George Washington’s name removed from the park. The pastor also said President Andrew Jackson’s name should be removed from nearby Jackson Park, because he also was a slave owner. He said he’s not necessarily asking the city rename the parks altogether. He suggested Washington Park could be named after former Mayor Harold Washington, and Jackson Park could be named after civil rights leader Rev. Jesse Jackson or singer Michael Jackson."


yes...let's name playgrounds after Michael Jackson

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump loves saying “radical Islamic terrorism.” He has a tough time with “white supremacy.”


So should Trump call them Radical Christian White supremacy terrorism how would that go over
read up O has explained many time why he wouldn't use “radical Islamic terrorism.” seem's you conveniently forgot who those people were who were most upset about Him not saying that... and how it fit their agenda.. FYI : the Right

Nothing personal,but you honestly have a difficult time with the comprehension skills. Communication becomes futile with folks with limited skills. Go back to your Obama altar and enjoy your alternative universe.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Funny how convenient it becomes when it suits the agenda ..

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this is a constant

[scottw]

brilliantly stated...

"The current attack on Confederate monuments is only another front in the Left’s endless kulturkampf. The Left is committed to always being on the offense in the culture wars, and, with Donald Trump and his white-resentment politics installed in the White House and Republicans lined up queasily behind him, the choice of going after Confederate totems is clever. It brings out the kooks and the cranks, and some respectable conservatives feel obliged to defend them. Getting Republicans to re-litigate the Civil War is a great victory for the Democrats, who were, after all, on the wrong side of it as a matter of historical fact."

[detbuch]

This You Tube video clarifies who the fascists really are--and some of the roots of the Charlottesville violence:

[detbuch]

Then there's this from someone who was at the protest. Note how radical, uncivilized, extreme, unreasonable, fascistic, and all-around evil and disgusting Faith Goldy is:

[doc]

...telling that you all seem to need to still blame obama...trump is at the helm and all of you wiggling and making excuses and lowering the bar of what should be acceptable from our president is pathetic and ultimately dangerous...this is not about party, this is about being an american (not arguing about the right to demonstrate and free speech but about hate that resulted in the death of an innocent women and our president's bizarre and naive reaction to it - that is quite different than each of us parsing through nuances of how we each feel which we clearly have a right to do)...and your attempts to morally equivocate nazi's to people protesting them is disturbing and ignorant...perhaps read a bit more history as well explain to many people died fighting those f'ers...

[scottw]

you know those aren't real nazis right?....knuckle heads that like to dress up like nazis like it's halloween or something...the real nazis actually committed atrocities, a LONG time ago...check your history...these are mostly cowards and mentally defective individuals(that could be insensitive or not...hard to tell these days) looking for attention...and in some cases left wing activists dressed up to try to promote the idea through the compliant media that there is some huge nazi movement crisis in America

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

you know those aren't real nazis right?....knuckle heads that like to dress up like nazis like it's halloween or something...the real nazis actually committed atrocities, a LONG time ago...check your history...these are mostly cowards and mentally defective individuals(that could be insensitive or not...hard to tell these days) looking for attention...and in some cases left wing activists dressed up to try to promote the idea through the compliant media that there is some huge nazi movement crisis in America

You sounded rational until you end it with a conspiracy theory ..
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You sounded rational until you end it with a conspiracy theory ..
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I wouldn't want to disappoint you

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by doc

...telling that you all seem to need to still blame obama...trump is at the helm and all of you wiggling and making excuses and lowering the bar of what should be acceptable from our president is pathetic and ultimately dangerous...this is not about party, this is about being an american (not arguing about the right to demonstrate and free speech but about hate that resulted in the death of an innocent women and our president's bizarre and naive reaction to it - that is quite different than each of us parsing through nuances of how we each feel which we clearly have a right to do)...and your attempts to morally equivocate nazi's to people protesting them is disturbing and ignorant...perhaps read a bit more history as well explain to many people died fighting those f'ers...

Gotta run because of work but a couple points:

• Hold ALL politicians to a higher standard regardless of party
• Historical context between administrations does matter
• I really think Trump is a fool and a tool but he has not been afforded the same level of top cover that a Dem would get - because of Bias.
• That bias and the disastrous polices of Dem Politicians are why I am no longer a Democrat but a moderate, unaffiliated, generally independent
• I will put my history knowledge as better than 90% here - which is why I equate evil Commies with Evil Nazis
• I think the US Constitution is the greatest document to protect human kind ever
• The First Amendment even protects a s s hole Nazis and Klans and white Suprems - just as it protects good people like us and just as it protects those that would undermine it like Communitst, ANTIFA, Anarchists, etc.
• If you cannot separate why that is a good thing, even if it protects the despicable showboating of the Nazis then you do not understand or give enough emphasis on the environment that allowed the original Nazis (or Commies) space to grow.
  
  We can have a further discuss later - perfect happy too.

[Slipknot]

So all this speak of Nazis and racists and slave owners of the past, are we still diligent about a terrorist attack? stupid distraction, more tearing down of a president and gives young liberals a cause to get behind. How about go to work and work hard.
this thread is a communication nightmare

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

So all this speak of Nazis and racists and slave owners of the past, are we still diligent about a terrorist attack? stupid distraction, more tearing down of a president and gives young liberals a cause to get behind. How about go to work and work hard.
this thread is a communication nightmare

No one had an issue trying to tear down the last president for 8 years Why is this unacceptable now?
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[JohnR]

And I am adjusting my history knowledge down from 90% to better than 80% here on further reflection ; ) .