Cuomo says no one should be prosecuted for covid deaths in NY

[Jim in CT]

Interesting.

In a related story, Mrs O’Learys cow has generously absolved the Chicago Fire Department for deaths related to fire of 1871.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nursing...uomo-new-york/

[Pete F.]

Cuomo is now only able to attain praise for his actions because his earlier failures made those actions necessary. Of course, part of this is because Donald Trump has bungled the coronavirus response even more badly, so that Cuomo – by not being a complete buffoon – looks like a capable statesman by contrast.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Cuomo is now only able to attain praise for his actions because his earlier failures made those actions necessary. Of course, part of this is because Donald Trump has bungled the coronavirus response even more badly, so that Cuomo – by not being a complete buffoon – looks like a capable statesman by contrast.
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Cuomo also said that no matter what we did, large numbers of old people were going to die. Yet you hold Trump personally responsible for the 90,000 deaths. You and Cuomo cannot both be right.

"Of course, part of this is because Donald Trump has bungled the coronavirus response even more badly'

Cuomo, and Newsom in CA, have been very complimentary of Trumps response. Again, who is right and who is wrong?

[Pete F.]

I’d suggest reading How to negotiate with a toddler
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I’d suggest reading How to negotiate with a toddler
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I'm negotiating with a toddler right now.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I’d suggest reading How to negotiate with a toddler
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And the60% of respondents to the Gallup poll who approve of Trumps performance regarding the virus. Are they all under his thumb?

[Pete F.]

One poll? You better read the question it asked before you claim it’s viable.
Trump*s numbers never move and you need to look at a adjusted composite of available polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

One poll? You better read the question it asked before you claim it’s viable.
Trump*s numbers never move and you need to look at a adjusted composite of available polls.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...roval-ratings/
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I was referring to his cov-19 response, as I specified. Sorry you missed that.

[Pete F.]

He lost college educated, women and nonwhite by considerable margins in that poll.
His base number has never changed.
White men with some college or less
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'm negotiating with a toddler right now.

🎯
🤡

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He lost college educated, women and nonwhite by considerable margins in that poll.
His base number has never changed.
White men with some college or less
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Whew, sounds like he's in big big trouble.

[Pete F.]

If you believe in polls here you go

A new Quinnipiac national poll has Biden up 11% nationally, not a huge surprise given over polls showing Biden with a big national lead.

Biden 50%
Trump 39%
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[Pete F.]

Here’s another
new Quinnipiac national poll on whether Americans consider President Trump honest:

yes 34%
no 62%
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[Sea Dangles]

Gotta love the polls👍🏽
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[wdmso]

50% of the state of Connecticut deaths are in nursing homes. But jims upset that Cuomo gets higher marks for his handling of yhis crisis than Trump..

Yet is silent on Trumps excuses and perpetual blame game..

Now hes is once again spreading. Conspiracys about people suggesting they got away with murder while echoing his pals like stone and flynn got miss treated..

But i guess it. Acceptable For The POTUS to accuses other Americans and former President of Crimes.. but Cuomo bad for telling the Truth about deaths , cuz Trump waited months before he did a thing..

Taiwan has had less then 4 covid 19 deaths . Why do you think that is?
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[Pete F.]

It's almost like instead of standing on Fifth Avenue in New York City with a gun and shooting one person the president of the United States decided to ignore the intelligence community and basic science and go to a microphone armed with enough disinformation to kill 95,000 people
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

50% of the state of Connecticut deaths are in nursing homes. But jims upset that Cuomo gets higher marks for his handling of yhis crisis than Trump..

Yet is silent on Trumps excuses and perpetual blame game..

Now hes is once again spreading. Conspiracys about people suggesting they got away with murder while echoing his pals like stone and flynn got miss treated..

But i guess it. Acceptable For The POTUS to accuses other Americans and former President of Crimes.. but Cuomo bad for telling the Truth about deaths , cuz Trump waited months before he did a thing..

Taiwan has had less then 4 covid 19 deaths . Why do you think that is?
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It is because you believe fake news.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

50% of the state of Connecticut deaths are in nursing homes. But jims upset that Cuomo gets higher marks for his handling of yhis crisis than Trump..

Yet is silent on Trumps excuses and perpetual blame game..

Now hes is once again spreading. Conspiracys about people suggesting they got away with murder while echoing his pals like stone and flynn got miss treated..

But i guess it. Acceptable For The POTUS to accuses other Americans and former President of Crimes.. but Cuomo bad for telling the Truth about deaths , cuz Trump waited months before he did a thing..

Taiwan has had less then 4 covid 19 deaths . Why do you think that is?
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"50% of the state of Connecticut deaths are in nursing homes"

CT is not unique in that regard, a huge % of the nationwide deaths are in nursing homes. The reason, is that the elderly are particularly vulnerable to this virus. Which is precisely why it's next-generation stupid to put sick people in a nursing home if hospital beds are available. You proved my point, not refuted it, by pointing out that many deaths are in nursing homes.

"is silent on Trumps excuses and perpetual blame game..'

That's just a lie. When small-minded people cannot respond to what is actually said, they respond to something that was never said. I have never defended Trumps antics, his vindictiveness, nor his refusal to accept responsibility for mistakes. Unlike you, my disdain for these traits is genuine not political. It is YOU who never stop defending the politicians who you happen to vote for. Are you ever critical of Bidens treatment of women? Or do you always defend it? I voted for Trump, but I have no problem admitting his many, many personal faults. It's you who can't do that for politicians on your side. Stop lying.

"but Cuomo bad for telling the Truth about deaths "

What "truth" did Cuomo tell, exactly? What are you referring to?

"Trump waited months before he did a thing.."

Another demonstrably false lie. He restricted travel from China, and democrats and media pundits (including Biden) said it was an overreaction, that the virus wasn't serious enough to justify that. Biden said that the travel ban was fear mongering and bigoted.

Which necessarily means that Biden wouldn't have restricted travel to the US. He didn't think the virus justified anything more. So please tell me, why any sane person should believe that we'd be better off right now, if Biden was POTUS?

WDMSO, who was saying at the time, that we needed to do more? Not Biden - he said Trumps travel restrictions were not necessary. Not the New York Times or the Washington Post, who went on and on and on about how the virus was less serious than the flu. Not Nancy Pelosi, who in late February was encouraging her constituents to go out in public. So who?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Taiwan has had less then 4 covid 19 deaths . Why do you think that is?
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Now that is a great question.

Taiwan took everyones temperature who tried to enter the country, and if you had a slight fever, you weren't getting in (so they had a travel ban that was more broad than Trumps, yet liberals said Trumps ban was too much).

Taiwan also had a very strict quarantine of people who tested positive, they tracked you with a phone, and if you left your house, the police came for you.

Should we have done that here? What would democrats and the media have said, back in December, if Trump proposed going that far? Don't you get it? Trump didn't do much back then, but the one thing he did, he was attacked for doing, because the democrats and the media said the virus wasn't serious enough.

So if democrats went berserk over Trumps restricting travel from Chinese nationals, you want us to believe they'd go along if Trump implemented the near-martial law that Taiwan implemented with their sick?

It makes no sense to me that Taiwan did as well as they did, and the whole world needs to know why, to see what we can learn. But it's preposterous for you to say that the country would have allowed Trump to do in December, what Taiwan did.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Now that is a great question.

Taiwan took everyones temperature who tried to enter the country, and if you had a slight fever, you weren't getting in (so they had a travel ban that was more broad than Trumps, yet liberals said Trumps ban was too much).

Taiwan also had a very strict quarantine of people who tested positive, they tracked you with a phone, and if you left your house, the police came for you.

Should we have done that here? What would democrats and the media have said, back in December, if Trump proposed going that far? Don't you get it? Trump didn't do much back then, but the one thing he did, he was attacked for doing, because the democrats and the media said the virus wasn't serious enough.

So if democrats went berserk over Trumps restricting travel from Chinese nationals, you want us to believe they'd go along if Trump implemented the near-martial law that Taiwan implemented with their sick?

It makes no sense to me that Taiwan did as well as they did, and the whole world needs to know why, to see what we can learn. But it's preposterous for you to say that the country would have allowed Trump to do in December, what Taiwan did.

We will never know. Trump didn't try any of the above, and downplayed this for the first two months. Then yesterday he would do nothing different in his response.

Lots to learn at both the state and federal level on this one, we are lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you believe in polls here you go

A new Quinnipiac national poll has Biden up 11% nationally, not a huge surprise given over polls showing Biden with a big national lead.

Biden 50%
Trump 39%
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I don't believe in polls, I used to, but how can you after 2016?

but if you believe in polls, CNN just had one done also that had Biden up big nationally, but down big in 15 swing states. Which as everyone (except the architects of the Hilary campaign, apparently) know, is all that matters.

I'm not saying I think Trump is going to win. Before the virus, I would have said yes, if the economy held. Now I don't know. What I do know is that all the pollsters were spectacularly wrong in 2016, and I don't know why I should believe they are more accurate today.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

We will never know. Trump didn't try any of the above, and downplayed this for the first two months. Then yesterday he would do nothing different in his response.

Lots to learn at both the state and federal level on this one, we are lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed.

True, and there are so many moving pieces, you can't assume that if we did what they did, the results would have been the same.

Bryan, is it relevant to point out, that the one thing Trump did back then (travel restrictions) was panned by the left as being an unnecessary overreaction?

It's easy, and not without some validity, to say Trump should have done more. But is there ANY reason to believe that democrats and the media would have been supportive if he went a lot further, back then? Back then, they were all saying that the virus wasn't as bad as the flu, that we didn't need to do anything drastic. I know that you don't suffer from the same selective amnesia that affects the other liberals here.

"lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed"

100% agree.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here’s another
new Quinnipiac national poll on whether Americans consider President Trump honest:

yes 34%
no 62%
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Here's news for you, I don't consider him honest. That should be 100-0.

I notice you didn't include the polls that ask if Americans trust him to run the economy more than Biden. How come?

Believe all women!

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

True, and there are so many moving pieces, you can't assume that if we did what they did, the results would have been the same.

Bryan, is it relevant to point out, that the one thing Trump did back then (travel restrictions) was panned by the left as being an unnecessary overreaction?

It's easy, and not without some validity, to say Trump should have done more. But is there ANY reason to believe that democrats and the media would have been supportive if he went a lot further, back then? Back then, they were all saying that the virus wasn't as bad as the flu, that we didn't need to do anything drastic. I know that you don't suffer from the same selective amnesia that affects the other liberals here.

"lucky that this wasn't the 2-3% mortality otherwise we would have been #^&#^&#^&#^&ed"

100% agree.

You may be correct on some of this, but sentiment pretty quickly changed on the travel ban.

I would have settled on just having a consistent, fair-minded message on this, and ramping up the stocks of PPE, rather than blaming the last guy who left office 3 years ago....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

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So...when Biden said that Trump didn't need to restrict travel into the US back in January...what science was he relying on?

Pete, you can't have it both ways. You're saying that Trump was negligent for not doing more in December/January, and you may have a point there. But the fact is, Biden said Trump should have done even less than he did.

You're acting like everyone in the country was saying to do more in December, and Trump ignored them. That's not what happened. The democrats, and the media, wanted him to do less than he did, because they said the virus wasn't bad enough to justify anything drastic.

What "science" was Nancy Pelosi relying on in late February, when she went on TV and told her constituents it was safe to go out in crowded public places? Could you please just answer that one question? If you say Trump was negligent for not doing more in December, doesn't that necessarily mean that Pelosi was more negligent in late February for telling people to go out in public? Or did Trump trick her into believing that?

If you could respond to that without insulting my mother or my wife, that would be welcome.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

You may be correct on some of this, but sentiment pretty quickly changed on the travel ban.

I would have settled on just having a consistent, fair-minded message on this, and ramping up the stocks of PPE, rather than blaming the last guy who left office 3 years ago....

"sentiment pretty quickly changed on the travel ban. '

I agree 100% on that. But at the time Trump restricted travel, he was advocating for more drastic measures, than most democrats and most in the media. So if Trump was wrong for not being more drastic, they were more wrong. That must be true. Because they wanted a less drastic response than what Trump called for.

"I would have settled on just having a consistent, fair-minded message on this"

Me too. And Trump isn't the guy for calm, consistent messaging. he's like George Steinbrenner in a panicked tirade, that's how I view his ability to communicate. He's not the guy I'd want to listen to, to restore calm and confidence. I'd trust his policies, but not his ability to articulate the policy in a reassuring way.

"ramping up the stocks of PPE"

He did do that, slowly, with help from the private sector.

We also blew the rollout of widespread testing. I'm not sure why, everyone points fingers, no one accepts responsibility, so I have no idea who to believe.

[Pete F.]

Better read the record of what the Obama/Biden administration did during Ebola and H1N1
Far quicker and more effective than the head in the sand response of this administration
By the way believe all women was coined by David French, a conservative writer and has been used in baloney ever since
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Better read the record of what the Obama/Biden administration did during Ebola and H1N1
Far quicker and more effective than the head in the sand response of this administration
By the way believe all women was coined by David French, a conservative writer and has been used in baloney ever since
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Pete: Trump should have done more.

Jim: Biden said Trump did too much, so doesn't that make Biden more wrong than Trump was?

Pete: Obama was great.

As to 'believe all women', Biden said very explicitly during the Kavanaugh witch trials, that we have an obligation to presume that they are all telling the truth. That's what Biden said. Now he's changing is tune. Do you deny this?

Can you ever answer a question? If your beliefs cause you to freeze like a deer in headlights every single time someone asks you a fair and challenging question, what does that say about your beliefs? All you can do, is insult or pivot to a completely unrelated topic.

Back in January, Biden advocated doing less than Trump did. So if Trump was wrong for not doing enough (and I am sane enough to concede you have an argument there), Biden had to be more wrong.

You can't have it both ways. You can't say Trump was wrong for not doing enough, and suggest that Biden (who wanted to do less) would have done better.

[Pete F.]

This is your unfounded and lying claim about what you say Biden did and would have done.
Show some proof, not just words out of context, with links to sources, or just keep repeating baloney like President Tweety
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

This is your unfounded and lying claim about what you say Biden did and would have done.
Show some proof, not just words out of context, with links to sources, or just keep repeating baloney like President Tweety
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biden said the travel restrictions were “fear mongering”. that’s what he said. out of context? how many contexts can you put that in? he didn’t think there was a valid reason to restrict chinese nationals from entering the US in January.
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