special electio for Ohio house seat tomorrow

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"blaming the Russians"
The investigation is not over, is it?
"embracing MS13"
the Democrats no more embraced MS13 than Trumplicans embraced white supremacists
"attacking Trump for continuing Obama's immigration policy of separating kids from parents"
The Bush and Obama administrations policy was not to seperate ALL from their children as the policy was under the current administration
"pretending the low unemployment is bad"
I think the correct word would be claiming, much like Trump claimed that the unemployment numbers were false before he was elected
"nominating socialists and parading them around"
Some nominate a socialist or two, some nominate a white supremacist or child molester
"parading around a fake Indian"
The only parading done in that case is by Trumplicans claiming that 10 years ago she said, much like Obama's birth certificate or Trumps Swedish grandfather
"claiming (for the first time in 10 years) that debt is bad"
Asking why Trumps campaign promise that he would reduce the debt like no one else ever is false
"claiming (for the first time in 10 years) that a soaring stock market is bad because of income inequality"
Being concerned about income inequality and it's effects on our democratic society
"claiming (for the first time in 10 years) that using the nuclear option isn't democratic"
You got me, they made a stupid move five years ago
"suggesting that letting Willie Horton use the ladies room if he feels like it, is a good idea."
That's about the most prejudices you can possibly get into one statement

"The investigation is not over, is it?"

Will it ever be over?

"The Bush and Obama administrations policy was not to seperate ALL from their children as the policy was under the current administration"

Oh, So how come I never heard any liberals go berserk that SOME separation was OK? Sure seemed like they were opposed to all separation, even when they had to invent it, like TIME magazine did on their cover.

What happens to American citizens who are processed through our criminal justice system? Do they bring their kids, or are they separated? They are separated. How come the left never cared?




""pretending the low unemployment is bad"
I think the correct word would be claiming"

Whatever. That ditz from Queens, who is a hero of the party, thinks low unemployment is bad. This is what she said. That just makes all kinds of sense. And soon, she will be writing federal laws. Hooray!

"nominating socialists and parading them around"
Some nominate a socialist or two, some nominate a white supremacist or child molester"

Who nominated an admitted (or convicted) child molester, and which party, knowing he was a child molester, send them to highlight at fundraisers? Please elaborate, I cannot wait to hear it.



"The only parading done in that case is by Trumplicans claiming that 10 years ago she said, much like Obama's birth certificate or Trumps Swedish grandfather"

So you are claiming that we invented the lie that Warren claims to be an Indian? That it's a fake scandal? The birthers were known to be kooks because they kept claiming he wasn't born here, after evidence was shared. What evidence is there, that Warren is an Indian? Trump offered to donate $1 million to her favorite charity if she'd take a DNA test, and she refused. Why in Gods name would she deny her favorite charity (probably some fun-filled group of Marxist bra-burners), a million bucks, while at the same time being able to show that all the doubters were wrong? I can think of one reason...you?? How many reasons?

"Being concerned about income inequality and it's effects on our democratic society"

yet you didn't give a rats azz about income inequality when the stock market SOARED during the Obama years. How come? Answer - your concern over income inequality is selective, which means it's fake.

""suggesting that letting Willie Horton use the ladies room if he feels like it, is a good idea."
That's about the most prejudices you can possibly get into one statement"

How is it wrong? If Willie Horton says "today, I identify as a woman", liberals feel that he is then allowed into the ladies room. How is that wrong? We're all supposed to take the word for every man who says "I am a woman, now let me follow your daughter into the bathroom", and none of you thinks that a predator might lie to take advantage of your breathtaking naivete? Predators lied to become priests, and went through the trouble of going to the monastery, just so they could get access to little boys. You don't think they'd claim to be transsexual?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Oh, So how come I never heard any liberals go berserk that SOME separation was OK? Sure seemed like they were opposed to all separation, even when they had to invent it, like TIME magazine did on their cover.

What happens to American citizens who are processed through our criminal justice system? Do they bring their kids, or are they separated? They are separated. How come the left never cared?

Jim, the vast majority of child separations before Trump were cases with other criminal factors or usually suspicion of child trafficking in which case the parents were reunited as soon as the case cleared. It happened occasionally, not 2,000 kids in just a few months.

The policies are nothing alike.

As for the rest of it, are you OK? I'm serious here.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim, the vast majority of child separations before Trump were cases with other criminal factors or usually suspicion of child trafficking in which case the parents were reunited as soon as the case cleared. It happened occasionally, not 2,000 kids in just a few months.

The policies are nothing alike.

As for the rest of it, are you OK? I'm serious here.

I'm OK.

Let's pick income inequality. Nothing exacerbates income inequality like a surge in the stock market, right? So why were liberals pointing to the stock market performance, again and again, as evidence that Obama was doing a good job handling the economy (which I have said I agree with)? Why I sit OK when income inequality obviously got worse under Obama, but it's terrible when it happens under Trump?

As to transgenders in the ladies room...you don't think predators would ever resort to lying, to gain access to their victims? They wouldn't sink that low?

The answers to all these questions is the same...

liberal=good, conservative=bad, no exceptions, not ever.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Let's pick income inequality. Nothing exacerbates income inequality like a surge in the stock market, right? So why were liberals pointing to the stock market performance, again and again, as evidence that Obama was doing a good job handling the economy (which I have said I agree with)? Why I sit OK when income inequality obviously got worse under Obama, but it's terrible when it happens under Trump?

Democrats have had income inequality as an issue since I can remember. Recently, hell, remember the Occupy Movement? While not a mainstream Dem thing at it's heart was income inequality.

As to transgenders in the ladies room...you don't think predators would ever resort to lying, to gain access to their victims? They wouldn't sink that low?

A sexual predator can today dress up as a woman and go into the ladies room, yet, it's a extremely rare occurrence. I'd be much more concerned with someone who not only identifies as a woman -- but looks like a woman -- being forced to use the men's room.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Democrats have had income inequality as an issue since I can remember.

yes...since before it existed.......

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Democrats have had income inequality as an issue since I can remember. Recently, hell, remember the Occupy Movement? While not a mainstream Dem thing at it's heart was income inequality.


A sexual predator can today dress up as a woman and go into the ladies room, yet, it's a extremely rare occurrence. I'd be much more concerned with someone who not only identifies as a woman -- but looks like a woman -- being forced to use the men's room.

Occupy Wall Street is a pretty good point, thought I'd argue that at t's heart was feral anarchy and envy. But a good point is a good point.

" it's a extremely rare occurrence"

Fortunately, you are again correct, it's rare. But your side made it easier, to appease a very small percentage of the population. I want true transgender people to feel secure everywhere they go, I really do, but it can't always be at the expense of everyone else.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The investigation is not over, is it?"

Will it ever be over?
Soon enough

"The Bush and Obama administrations policy was not to seperate ALL from their children as the policy was under the current administration"

Oh, So how come I never heard any liberals go berserk that SOME separation was OK? Sure seemed like they were opposed to all separation, even when they had to invent it, like TIME magazine did on their cover.

What happens to American citizens who are processed through our criminal justice system? Do they bring their kids, or are they separated? They are separated. How come the left never cared?

Liberals and conservatives are both concerned about the rise of the private prison system, which has increased during the Trump administration, "illegals" cost $4 per day to have an ankle bracelet and $194 to be held in private prison.


""pretending the low unemployment is bad"
I think the correct word would be claiming"

Whatever. That ditz from Queens, who is a hero of the party, thinks low unemployment is bad. This is what she said. That just makes all kinds of sense. And soon, she will be writing federal laws. Hooray!


"nominating socialists and parading them around"
Some nominate a socialist or two, some nominate a white supremacist or child molester"

Who nominated an admitted (or convicted) child molester, and which party, knowing he was a child molester, send them to highlight at fundraisers? Please elaborate, I cannot wait to hear it.
Pick some
Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was charged with molesting his 9-year old step-daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.


Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.


Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.


Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.


Republican serial killer Ted Bundy was hired by the Republican Party

Republican Party Chairman Sam Walls, who is married, was urged to drop his candidacy for Congress when it was found he likes to dress up in women's clothing

Republican Congressman Edward Schrock resigned from Congress after he was caught searching for sex on a gay telephone service

Republican Mayor Jim West Republican voter Timothy McVeigh bombed Oklahoma City championed an anti-gay agenda, but was later found to be gay himself

Republican Congressman Bob Livingston was about to vote for impeaching President Clinton for sexual improprieties until it was disclosed he was an adulterer

Republican Congressman Henry Hyde denounced President Clinton's extramarital affair, but was later found to be an adulterer himself

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren,
has told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girl.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was charged with sexual misconduct involving a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was charged with rape for allegedly paying a 15-year old girl for sex. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Republican Mayor John Gosek, 58, of 275 West 7th Street, Oswego, was arrested for the federal offense of "using a facility in inte-state commerce (a telephone) to knowingly attempt to persuade, induce, entice, and coerce an individual under the age of 18 years to engage in sexual activity for which he could be charged with criminal offenses, that is, rape in the third degree and criminal sexual act in the third degree" in violation of the New York State Penal Code.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.

Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.


Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.


"The only parading done in that case is by Trumplicans claiming that 10 years ago she said, much like Obama's birth certificate or Trumps Swedish grandfather"

So you are claiming that we invented the lie that Warren claims to be an Indian? That it's a fake scandal? The birthers were known to be kooks because they kept claiming he wasn't born here, after evidence was shared. What evidence is there, that Warren is an Indian? Trump offered to donate $1 million to her favorite charity if she'd take a DNA test, and she refused. Why in Gods name would she deny her favorite charity (probably some fun-filled group of Marxist bra-burners), a million bucks, while at the same time being able to show that all the doubters were wrong? I can think of one reason...you?? How many reasons?

"Being concerned about income inequality and it's effects on our democratic society"

yet you didn't give a rats azz about income inequality when the stock market SOARED during the Obama years. How come? Answer - your concern over income inequality is selective, which means it's fake.

""suggesting that letting Willie Horton use the ladies room if he feels like it, is a good idea."
That's about the most prejudices you can possibly get into one statement"

How is it wrong? If Willie Horton says "today, I identify as a woman", liberals feel that he is then allowed into the ladies room. How is that wrong? We're all supposed to take the word for every man who says "I am a woman, now let me follow your daughter into the bathroom", and none of you thinks that a predator might lie to take advantage of your breathtaking naivete? Predators lied to become priests, and went through the trouble of going to the monastery, just so they could get access to little boys. You don't think they'd claim to be transsexual?

Someone should have told the priests that all they had to do was go to the bathroom, they were men and allowed in, they didn't have to bother going to seminary school to be able to molest little boys.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Someone should have told the priests that all they had to do was go to the bathroom, they were men and allowed in, they didn't have to bother going to seminary school to be able to molest little boys.

Pete, yoru list of republican perverts is impressive. However, what I asked, was what admitted (or convicted) perverts were THEN celebrated by the GOP. You see, the democrats already know that the Queens ditz and Bernie are socialists, and send them to highlight fundraisers.

How do I know who on your list, had admitted to being a deviant, but was still celebrated by the GOP after it was known that they were perverts? Huge difference. Yuuge difference. We have our weirdos, we just don't celebrate them as frequently as your side.

"Someone should have told the priests that all they had to do was go to the bathroom, they were men and allowed in, they didn't have to bother going to seminary school to be able to molest little boys. "

Not what they wanted.

If I want to stare at women going to the bathroom, all I need to do is declare that I identify as a woman. You can't concede that some predators might falsely make that claim, to gain access to the ladies' room? How can you be sure?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, your list of republican perverts is impressive.

a bunch are repeated...he was probably so anxious with the cut and paste didn't even read it ....I don't usually spend much time on his cut and pastes but scrolling past it identical names jumped out...horrible waste of thread space