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02-14-2019, 02:06 PM
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Alexandria Cortez is a GENIUS
She sure showed Amazon. Thanks to her bitching and complaining, Amazon isn't building their second headquarters in New York.
25,000 jobs, with an average annual salary of $150,000. Works out to $3.75B in taxable income flowing into that area, every year. Money that will be taxed, money that will be spent, money that will be used to shop and buy lunch in the area where te office would have been.
The fact is, Amazon doesn't need tax subsidies. And I don't like corporate welfare, I don't like governments picking winners and losers in the business world. But the other fact is, this is how the world works. Amazon would be stupid not to seek the best deal it can get.
So because Cortez is so brilliant and so principled, this part of New York misses out on annual taxable revenue of 3.75B being pumped into the local economy. At a time when the governor just bemoaned the states deficits (which he blamed on Trump).
Where does she suppose the money comes from, to pay for things like the Green New Deal?
Yes, she sure showed Amazon!
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02-14-2019, 02:09 PM
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Do you really think Amazon cares one whip about what she thinks?
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02-14-2019, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Do you really think Amazon cares one whip about what she thinks?
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Well, she was happy about the loss
"Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world. https://t.co/nyvm5vtH9k"
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02-14-2019, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Do you really think Amazon cares one whip about what she thinks?
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I don't know. Neither do you.
I know that Amazon picked Queens, I know she never stopped attacking Amazon, and now Amazon is pulling out, and they say it's because of political hostility.
Good for her! Her constituents don't need no stinkin' $3.75 billion per year... |
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02-15-2019, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Do you really think Amazon cares one whip about what she thinks?
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Their official announcement specifically mentioned her by name called her a "never Amazoner" because of the hostility she showed them. Said the board unanimously decided they don't want to work in the type of environment she's creating. |
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02-15-2019, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Liv2Fish
Their official announcement specifically mentioned her by name called her a "never Amazoner" because of the hostility she showed them. Said the board unanimously decided they don't want to work in the type of environment she's creating.
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You're implying that Amazon's board knows more than Spence, about why Amazon makes its decisions? But Spence watches MSNBC!! He can't be wrong! It has to be a right wing plot... |
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02-15-2019, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
You're implying that Amazon's board knows more than Spence, about why Amazon makes its decisions? But Spence watches MSNBC!! He can't be wrong! It has to be a right wing plot...
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Just an fyi, I saw her get skewered over this on Morning Joe this morning, pretty much unanimously by the talking heads....
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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02-15-2019, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Just an fyi, I saw her get skewered over this on Morning Joe this morning, pretty much unanimously by the talking heads....
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saw that too.
25,000 jobs, at an average annual salary of 150k. it’s impossible to begin to quantify the benefits. but nope, she knows better. i’m sure the landlords and restaurant owners are thrilled, just thrilled.
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02-14-2019, 02:44 PM
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This made me laugh today...
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"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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02-14-2019, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
She sure showed Amazon. Thanks to her bitching and complaining, Amazon isn't building their second headquarters in New York.
25,000 jobs, with an average annual salary of $150,000. Works out to $3.75B in taxable income flowing into that area, every year. Money that will be taxed, money that will be spent, money that will be used to shop and buy lunch in the area where te office would have been.
The fact is, Amazon doesn't need tax subsidies. And I don't like corporate welfare, I don't like governments picking winners and losers in the business world. But the other fact is, this is how the world works. Amazon would be stupid not to seek the best deal it can get.
So because Cortez is so brilliant and so principled, this part of New York misses out on annual taxable revenue of 3.75B being pumped into the local economy. At a time when the governor just bemoaned the states deficits (which he blamed on Trump).
Where does she suppose the money comes from, to pay for things like the Green New Deal?
Yes, she sure showed Amazon!
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Maybe you could convince them to go to Connecticut. Life seems to be purely transactional in your eyes.
Technology was not a great deal for people who lived in Seattle who can no longer afford to live there.
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02-14-2019, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Maybe you could convince them to go to Connecticut. Life seems to be purely transactional in your eyes.
Technology was not a great deal for people who lived in Seattle who can no longer afford to live there.
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If they even CONSIDERED CT, I would sell all my Amazon stock,
"Technology was not a great deal for people who lived in Seattle who can no longer afford to live there"
So why did so many areas kill themselves to put in a bid to get this Amazon office?
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02-14-2019, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
If they even CONSIDERED CT, I would sell all my Amazon stock,
"Technology was not a great deal for people who lived in Seattle who can no longer afford to live there"
So why did so many areas kill themselves to put in a bid to get this Amazon office?
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Remember when you claimed they where only looking at conservative areas - and yet they ended up in VA and NY. |
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02-14-2019, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Remember when you claimed they where only looking at conservative areas - and yet they ended up in VA and NY.
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No I don't recall that, but if I did, I was totally wrong, at least temporarily. NYC is unique in terms of attracting business, obviously.
VA isn't die-hard liberal. |
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02-14-2019, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Remember when you claimed they where only looking at conservative areas - and yet they ended up in VA and NY.
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you conveniently left out Nashville, Nashville was the other big winner. amazon originally picked a conservative place, a middle of the road place, and a liberal place.
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02-14-2019, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
you conveniently left out Nashville, Nashville was the other big winner. amazon originally picked a conservative place, a middle of the road place, and a liberal place.
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Nashville got the smallest amount by far.
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02-14-2019, 04:27 PM
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the governor was whining THIS WEEK about tax receipts decreasing ( and he blamed Trump and FL, but couldn’t admit that NY is causing any of this), and then Amazon walks away.
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02-14-2019, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
the governor was whining THIS WEEK about tax receipts decreasing ( and he blamed Trump and FL, but couldn’t admit that NY is causing any of this), and then Amazon walks away.
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Cuomo was complaining about the SALT cap that was designed to hurt wealthy New Yorkers.
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02-14-2019, 07:08 PM
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Cuomo was complaining about the SALT cap that was designed to hurt wealthy New Yorkers.
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this is hilarious..... |
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02-14-2019, 08:03 PM
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Cuomo was complaining about the SALT cap that was designed to hurt wealthy New Yorkers.
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that’s backwards.
allowing the full deduction of SALT taxes, means people
in well run states pay higher federal
taxes, to pay for the deduction that is only available to people in high tax states. why should
people in NH and FL pay higher federal income tax, because the people
who run CT and IL and NJ are morons?
high taxes aren’t inevitable. it’s a choice. if you look at the financial health of states, it looks like a good choice. are CT and NY and NI and IL drowning in surplus, are people
moving to those states in big numbers?
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02-14-2019, 04:47 PM
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Wonder if it had anything to do with the 3 billion dollars of incentives they were offered.
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02-14-2019, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Wonder if it had anything to do with the 3 billion dollars of incentives they were offered.
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yes it does. andnthat would
have been an incredible investment. salaries alone would
be 3.75b a year, plus god knows how
much to construct the complex.
i don’t like corporate welfare. but it’s a bargain to get 25,000 jobs with average salary of 150k. let’s see what that neighborhood looks like i’m 20 years, compares to the neighborhood that gets it.
Cuomo is foaming at the mouth that they pulled out.
25,000 upper
middle class jobs. when you elect a Maoist with an IQ of 85, this is what you get.
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02-14-2019, 05:22 PM
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They have got to be including Bezo’s salary for this to be true —> 25,000 jobs, with an average annual salary of $150,000
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02-14-2019, 08:04 PM
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They have got to be including Bezo’s salary for this to be true —> 25,000 jobs, with an average annual salary of $150,000
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nope.
25,000 jobs, average salary of 150k. that’s what Cortez was opposed to. Brilliant.
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02-14-2019, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
nope.
25,000 jobs, average salary of 150k. that’s what Cortez was opposed to. Brilliant.
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Perhaps NYC could have been as great as San Francisco
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02-14-2019, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Perhaps NYC could have been as great as San Francisco
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your point is what? it’s bad when technology companies reside in a town? the insane liberal
policies enabling homelessness, drug use, and public defacatiom, have nothing to do with it? it’s all silicon valleys fault?
how many places put bids in for this office? you know better than the people
who run all those places? wow!!! why aren’t you doing urban planning in distressed areas? think of the benefit your acumen could
provide!!!
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02-14-2019, 09:01 PM
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Kevin...
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02-15-2019, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
your point is what? it’s bad when technology companies reside in a town? the insane liberal
policies enabling homelessness, drug use, and public defacatiom, have nothing to do with it? it’s all silicon valleys fault?
how many places put bids in for this office? you know better than the people
who run all those places? wow!!! why aren’t you doing urban planning in distressed areas? think of the benefit your acumen could
provide!!!
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Go rent a place to live in Manhattan, park slope, Cambridge and see what gentrification has done. Just what do you think the problem in SF is, oh I know it’s liberals. The place should be like Oklahoma or someplace controlled by the right, no issues in those places they buy them tickets to SF
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02-14-2019, 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
nope.
25,000 jobs, average salary of 150k. that’s what Cortez was opposed to. Brilliant.
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I’m not buying 25K jobs averaging $150K. That falls into the if it sounds too good to be true pile.
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02-14-2019, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fishsmith
I’m not buying 25K jobs averaging $150K. That falls into the if it sounds too good to be true pile.
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that’s what amazon was promising. the governor of NY believed them.
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02-15-2019, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
that’s what amazon was promising. the governor of NY believed them.
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Just like Mahty Walsh believed the BS GE promised for Fort Point in Boston.
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