Afghanistan yearly cost

[wdmso]

Was reading about the cost of Trumps wall. 20 million a mile and his willingness to take money from the military to pay for it Trump administration's plan to take another $7.2 billion from the military's budget to pay for the border wall.


To date we have spent 975 billion. All borrowed. With $453 billion in interest on these wars.

This year just Afghanistan cost 45 billion

Trump’s plan amounts to “one more example of saying: ‘We don’t care what the Congress does.

I guess stealing the money for this wall isn't for personal gain for the up coming 2020 election ,

Imagine what an extra 45 mill a year the infrastructure you could build

[Jim in CT]

trump ran on this, it was probably his single core issue, and he won.

elections have consequences. I know I’ve heard that before, and so have you.

If diverting it from the defense budget is illegal, impeach him
for that too.

Wayne, there are certain focal points for illegal
crossings that mexicans tend to use. the bad guys on the other side know this, and some very bad people lay in wait. Because if this, it’s estimated that huge numbers of women attempting to cross illegally, get sexually assaulted.

Selling the border could
force illegals to cross at ports of entry, where there is a large law enforcement presence. That could
significantly reduce the violence.

This is what democrats refer to as a “manufactured crisis”.

The same democrats who refuse to celebrate lowest black unemployment ever, also refuse to concede that’s its a real crisis when huge numbers of women get raped.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

trump ran on this, it was probably his single core issue, and he won.

elections have consequences. I know I’ve heard that before, and so have you.

If diverting it from the defense budget is illegal, impeach him
for that too.

Wayne, there are certain focal points for illegal
crossings that mexicans tend to use. the bad guys on the other side know this, and some very bad people lay in wait. Because if this, it’s estimated that huge numbers of women attempting to cross illegally, get sexually assaulted.

Selling the border could
force illegals to cross at ports of entry, where there is a large law enforcement presence. That could
significantly reduce the violence.

This is what democrats refer to as a “manufactured crisis”.

The same democrats who refuse to celebrate lowest black unemployment ever, also refuse to concede that’s its a real crisis when huge numbers of women get raped.
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To bad everything you posted is manufactured and no way grounded in Truth or actual facts.

The cost of illegal immigration
In another tweet, Mr. Trump said that “the cost of illegal immigration so far this year is $18,959,495,168. Cost Friday was $603,331,392.”

It is not clear where Mr. Trump arrived at those figures. Shocking not even Trump knows where these numbers come from ?.. again who's facts


And ignores Trumps willingness to go around the Congress and the constitution, funny their are no impeachable offenses in Trump world

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

To bad everything you posted is manufactured and no way grounded in Truth or actual facts.

The cost of illegal immigration
In another tweet, Mr. Trump said that “the cost of illegal immigration so far this year is $18,959,495,168. Cost Friday was $603,331,392.”

It is not clear where Mr. Trump arrived at those figures. Shocking not even Trump knows where these numbers come from ?.. again who's facts


And ignores Trumps willingness to go around the Congress and the constitution, funny their are no impeachable offenses in Trump world

it’s all manufactured?

Well, maybe you can explain why a google search in “women assaulted crossing illegally” generates so many studies?

Here’s one by the Huffington Post. Back when Obama was POTUS, the Huffington Post claimed a large number of women were assaulted at the border.

But because it makes Trump look like he cares about victims
of violence, it can’t be true. Right?

Amnesty International says the same thing.

You’re telling us that Amnesty International and the Huffington Post, both are lying to help Trump? That’s what you’re saying?

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5...LxLKgwJeic2cdJ
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

trump ran on this, it was probably his single core issue, and he won.

elections have consequences. I know I’ve heard that before, and so have you.

If diverting it from the defense budget is illegal, impeach him
for that too.

Wayne, there are certain focal points for illegal
crossings that mexicans tend to use. the bad guys on the other side know this, and some very bad people lay in wait. Because if this, it’s estimated that huge numbers of women attempting to cross illegally, get sexually assaulted.

Selling the border could
force illegals to cross at ports of entry, where there is a large law enforcement presence. That could
significantly reduce the violence.

This is what democrats refer to as a “manufactured crisis”.

The same democrats who refuse to celebrate lowest black unemployment ever, also refuse to concede that’s its a real crisis when huge numbers of women get raped.
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Floridaman was elected President.
The office of the President is administrative and does not decide who and what gets funded. It make recommendations in it's budget that it presents to Congress.
The power of the purse is given to Congress in the Constitution.
A Republican majority Congress that was in power for 2 years chose not to give Floridaman the funding for his border wall.
Congress does need to take back the power it has let the president appropriate and make the hard decisions they need to.
They have one that they are working on shortly.

Black workers are still twice as likely to be unemployed as white workers overall (6.4% vs. 3.1%). Even black workers with a college degree are more likely to be unemployed than similarly educated white workers (3.5% vs. 2.2%). When they are employed, black workers with a college or advanced degree are more likely than their white counterparts to be underemployed when it comes to their skill level—almost 40% are in a job that typically does not require a college degree, compared with 31% of white college grads. This relatively high black unemployment and skills-based underemployment suggests that racial discrimination remains a failure of an otherwise tight labor market.

Your huge rape numbers are another "manufactured crisis" amplified by right wing media.

The Facts
First, let’s take a look at Trump’s figure. The White House attributes the 1-in-3 estimate to a 2017 report by Doctors Without Borders. But there’s less to that number than meets the eye.

Trump states as a fact that 1 out of 3 women traveling through Mexico are sexually assaulted. But the report did not conduct a random-sample survey that could be applied to all migrant women. Instead, the group interviewed nearly 500 people whom its doctors treated, of which 12 percent were women. So the statistic is derived from the experiences of 56 women and cannot necessarily be considered representative of all migrant women.

In the interviews, 31.4 percent of women said they were “sexually abused” on the journey, not “sexually assaulted” as Trump says. Considering only rape and other forms of direct sexual violence, 10.7 percent of the women who were interviewed said they were affected during their journey.

Ten percent is significantly smaller than 60 percent, which led us to wonder how the Amnesty figure was derived.

In October 2013, Amnesty International issued a news release about a slide show exhibit on migrants that would open in Mexico City. “Rape is widespread,” the news release said. “It is believed that as many as six out of every 10 migrant women and girls experience sexual violence during the journey.”

No source for this information was cited. It took a little digging, but eventually we located a 2010 report issued by Amnesty International: “Invisible Victims: Migrants on the move in Mexico.” Buried in the report is this line: “It is a widely held view — shared by local and international NGOs and health professionals working with migrant women — that as many as six in 10 migrant women and girls are raped.”

Already you can see there’s a problem. A statistic cited in 2019 comes from a 2010 report. The sentence had a footnote, so we followed that. The source was a 2002 report in Spanish by Luis Mora, written for the United Nations Population Fund. The footnote added: “The report itself cites a 1999 report,” and it gave the citation.

So, we are no longer in 2010 and may be as far back as 1999. The numbers are getting especially stale. When we located Mora’s paper, we discovered that the Amnesty report had cited the wrong source, and had mischaracterized it.

A sentence on page 12 of Mora’s report said: “Investigations conducted along Mexico’s southern border have demonstrated that 70 percent of female migrants are subjected to violence and 60 percent are subjected to some form of sexual abuse during the trip, ranging from sexual coercion to rape.”

The 1999 citation in Amnesty’s 2010 report referred to the 70 percent facing violence; a different document was the source of the 60 percent figure. Note also that it was not just about rape but any form of sexual abuse, “ranging from sexual coercion to rape.”

So where did the 60 percent figure come from? Mora cited a 1998 book, published in English as “For Those Who Didn’t Make It . . . A Dream in Ashes,” written by Paul Kobrak and Mayra Palencia. The 128-page book was published by a refugee organization sponsored by the Catholic Church in Guatemala.

But when we obtained the book, we were surprised to see how the statistic is framed: “A study of migrants estimates that 60 percent of the illegal female migrants have some sort of sexual experience in their trip toward the U.S.: from rape or coerced sexual relations, to a lover.”

Certainly looks to me like Republicans didn't celebrate the election of a black President either, does that mean they are racist, just don't care about blacks or it has nothing to do with race?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Your huge rape numbers are another "manufactured crisis" amplified by right wing media.

In which, The Huffington Post and Amnesty International qualify as "right wing media" to you. Man, oh, man, you are something...

The Huffington Post is right wing! How come NO ONE denied these rapes were taking place when they were reported when Obama was POTUS? It only became an issue, when Trump pledged to do something about it.

"Certainly looks to me like Republicans didn't celebrate the election of a black President either"

Because we aren't endlessly obsessed with what someone's skin color happens to be. We were concerned with what he'd do, not with what he'd look like. An alien concept to you and your ilk, I know...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

In which, The Huffington Post and Amnesty International qualify as "right wing media" to you. Man, oh, man, you are something...

amplified by right wing media.

The Huffington Post is right wing! How come NO ONE denied these rapes were taking place when they were reported when Obama was POTUS? It only became an issue, when Trump pledged to do something about it.

"Certainly looks to me like Republicans didn't celebrate the election of a black President either"

Because we aren't endlessly obsessed with what someone's skin color happens to be. We were concerned with what he'd do, not with what he'd look like. An alien concept to you and your ilk, I know...

Reading comprehension is not your strong point, I should know that by now.

Does "a rising tide lifts all boats" work differently now in the Floridaman regime and so your claim is that he did something special for minorities and deserves more than a participation award?



Since sitting is a judgement on your attitude towards people, just what meaning do you attribute to Republicans sitting during Obama's SOTU?

Certainly looks to me like Republicans didn't celebrate the election of a black President either, does that mean they are racist, just don't care about blacks or it has nothing to do with race?

You think that there are less rapes now with asylum seekers being sent to Guatemala, what do you base that assumption on?

And speaking of campaign promises, it must be about time for another infrastructure week.

[Jim in CT]

pete, Huffington Post said 80% of women who attempt to cross illegally, are assaulted.

How does one “amplify” that, exactly? How does one blow that out of proportion?

So when Trump says we have to stop this, it’s not possible that he actually wants to prevent mass rape. It can’t be that decent, it has to be a right wing hoax.

You think the right wing media is making too big a deal, out of the fact that 4 out of 5 women gay attacked down there. Better to completely ignore it like the last few presidents.

You callthat a manufactured crisis?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

pete, Huffington Post said 80% of women who attempt to cross illegally, are assaulted.

How does one “amplify” that, exactly? How does one blow that out of proportion?

So when Trump says we have to stop this, it’s not possible that he actually wants to prevent mass rape. It can’t be that decent, it has to be a right wing hoax.

You think the right wing media is making too big a deal, out of the fact that 4 out of 5 women gay attacked down there. Better to completely ignore it like the last few presidents.

You callthat a manufactured crisis?
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You amplify things by finding something that seems to reinforce your position and then repeating it, getting repeated and citing the repetition as true. Just look up propaganda.

In 2014 Huffington Post published the article that you cite as the basis for your belief. It has been disproven numerous times. Though if as you seem to claim, everything they publish is true, you probably should examine your core beliefs Huffington Post: Trump finally admits his campaign colluded with Russia at Trump Tower meeting

If Floridaman's concern is about the welfare of Central American asylum seekers, why is he sending them to a less safe harbor in Guatemala or deporting them to Mexico to await decisions?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You amplify things by finding something that seems to reinforce your position and then repeating it

did repete seriously just write that???

[Pete F.]

Pretty easy for even simple people to spin things by using partial quotes

You amplify things by finding something that seems to reinforce your position and then repeating it, getting repeated and citing the repetition as true. Just look up propaganda.

I try and base my opinions on fact, Jim cites the Huffington Post after decrying it as a source in the past.

[Sea Dangles]

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

did repete seriously just write that???

he’s having a rough day, even for him. He said mass rape is
a manufactured crisis ( god forbid we give trump credit for opposing mass rape), and he said huff post and amnesty international are right wing. Is it a full moon?
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[Jim in CT]

Pete, he’s yet another another exaggeration if the problem, a piece from 2019, by another right wing organization, the New York Times.

This isn’t surprising, this is the party that worships at the feet of the Kennedys and the Clintons.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/03/u...ant-women.html
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[JohnR]

Wayne, I think your numbers are low.

Pete, I just skip you copy/paste these days.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he’s having a rough day, even for him. He said mass rape is
a manufactured crisis ( god forbid we give trump credit for opposing mass rape), and he said huff post and amnesty international are right wing. Is it a full moon?
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No I said your numbers are fake news, you cited Huff Post for validation when it suits you and you recite propaganda.
Here’s some truth for you

Since Trump was impeached:

1. OMB email: “Clear direction from POTUS to continue to hold.”
2. Bolton volunteers to testify if subpoenaed. (Lawyer has said he has new info.)
3. Parnas agrees to empty his phone/hand over docus/grants interviews.
4. GAO says Trump broke the law.
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[Sea Dangles]

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[Jim in CT]

Pete, they’re not my numbers. they’re the huffington posts, Amnesty International’s, and the New York Times.

Every single person here sees what you’re doing. You’re dismissing mass rape, because conceding it exists, would make Trump look less like Genghis Kahn.

And to you and yours,?bashing Trump is more important than everything else, even addressing mass rape. Good for you.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, they’re not my numbers. they’re the huffington posts, Amnesty International’s, and the New York Times.

Every single person here sees what you’re doing. You’re dismissing mass rape, because conceding it exists, would make Trump look less like Genghis Kahn.

And to you and yours,?bashing Trump is more important than everything else, even addressing mass rape. Good for you.
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Did you even read the articles you posted?

President Trump has used the threat faced by migrant women to make his case for a border wall. “One in three women are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico,” he said in January — an estimate that appears to have originated from some limited surveys, one of them by Doctors Without Borders, of women traveling through Mexico.

A sheriff’s deputy in San Antonio was charged with sexually assaulting the 4-year-old daughter of an undocumented Guatemalan woman and threatening to have her deported if she reported the abuse.

Two teenage girls reported that they had been sexually assaulted by a Customs and Border Protection officer, who they said forced them to strip, fondled them, then tried to get them to stop crying by offering chocolates, potato chips and a blanket. In an unusual turn, the girls filed legal claims against the federal government, which settled the case in 2018 for $125,000.

At least five of the women who were assaulted — in one case, bound with duct tape, raped and stabbed — were attacked not by migrant smugglers, who are often the perpetrators, but by on-duty Border Patrol agents and Customs officers.

Women have reported being assaulted in immigration detention facilities, and the federal government over a recent four-year period has received more than 4,500 complaints about the sexual abuse of immigrant children at government-funded detention facilities.

Meanwhile, new information about Floridaman's crimes keeps coming, it falls roughly into five categories:

Trump’s knowledge of the quid pro quo.

The illegality of the scheme, from the GAO.

Trump’s outsourcing of the State Department to Rudy Giuliani.

The involvement in or awareness of the Ukraine scandal by other top administration officials, including Vice President Mike Pence, Attorney General Bill Barr, Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, former National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

Russia’s ongoing interference in American elections.

But you're fine with that, because Kavanaugh..............

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Did you even read the articles you posted?

President Trump has used the threat faced by migrant women to make his case for a border wall. “One in three women are sexually assaulted on the dangerous trek up through Mexico,” he said in January — an estimate that appears to have originated from some limited surveys, one of them by Doctors Without Borders, of women traveling through Mexico.

A sheriff’s deputy in San Antonio was charged with sexually assaulting the 4-year-old daughter of an undocumented Guatemalan woman and threatening to have her deported if she reported the abuse.

Two teenage girls reported that they had been sexually assaulted by a Customs and Border Protection officer, who they said forced them to strip, fondled them, then tried to get them to stop crying by offering chocolates, potato chips and a blanket. In an unusual turn, the girls filed legal claims against the federal government, which settled the case in 2018 for $125,000.

At least five of the women who were assaulted — in one case, bound with duct tape, raped and stabbed — were attacked not by migrant smugglers, who are often the perpetrators, but by on-duty Border Patrol agents and Customs officers.

Women have reported being assaulted in immigration detention facilities, and the federal government over a recent four-year period has received more than 4,500 complaints about the sexual abuse of immigrant children at government-funded detention facilities.

Meanwhile, new information about Floridaman's crimes keeps coming, it falls roughly into five categories:

Trump’s knowledge of the quid pro quo.

The illegality of the scheme, from the GAO.

Trump’s outsourcing of the State Department to Rudy Giuliani.

The involvement in or awareness of the Ukraine scandal by other top administration officials, including Vice President Mike Pence, Attorney General Bill Barr, Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney, former National Security Advisor John Bolton, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.

Russia’s ongoing interference in American elections.

But you're fine with that, because Kavanaugh..............

Pete, obviously Trump
is exploiting the mass rape to get support for his wall. Of course that’s true, i see it, and i concede it. And i don’t care, because the fact is, building a proper wall will reduce illegal crossings and therefore reduce the mass rape. i’m good with that. Why aren’t you good with that? Isn’t reducing mass rape a worthwhile goal, even when Trump is president?

You are denying the mass rape is taking place, because you are afraid that if you admit it’s happening, trump gets his wall, and secures another victory.

YOU are willing to let mass rape continue, in order to deny Trump a political win.

That’s callous and crazy, bonkers. No one on the left ever questioned whether or not the mass rapes were happening, until
Trump came along. Now it’s a hoax, perpetrated by the right wing nuts at The Huffington Post, Amnesty International, and the New York Times.

Do you hear yourself?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Pete, obviously Trump
is exploiting the mass rape to get support for his wall. Of course that’s true, i see it, and i concede it. And i don’t care, because the fact is, building a proper wall will reduce illegal crossings and therefore reduce the mass rape. i’m good with that. Why aren’t you good with that? Isn’t reducing mass rape a worthwhile goal, even when Trump is president?

You are denying the mass rape is taking place, because you are afraid that if you admit it’s happening, trump gets his wall, and secures another victory.

YOU are willing to let mass rape continue, in order to deny Trump a political win.

That’s callous and crazy, bonkers. No one on the left ever questioned whether or not the mass rapes were happening, until
Trump came along. Now it’s a hoax, perpetrated by the right wing nuts at The Huffington Post, Amnesty International, and the New York Times.

Do you hear yourself?
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First of all it's not mass rape, nobody is raping women en masse.

And your claim is that Floridaman wants the wall to stop rape?

Perhaps he wants to assert Droit du seigneur or ius primae noctis, Dershowitz and Graham would probably claim it is just, acceptable and certainly not impeachable. It is more in line with Floridaman's past behavior.

Meanwhile the pricetag for Floridaman's border wall has topped $11 billion — or nearly $20 million a mile — to become the most expensive wall of its kind anywhere in the world, so much for

And they just go around, over or through Floridaman's speed bump and get better at it with time.

Threatening Mexico is far more efficient and cost effective, but won't give the same political advantage as the money he has spent without Congressional authorization on the wall.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Wayne, I think your numbers are low.

Pete, I just skip you copy/paste these days.

Saw this today , seems the numbers are way off

The Pentagon made $35 trillion in accounting adjustments last year alone -- a total that’s larger than the entire U.S. economy