Trump Flags and this new propaganda industry?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump still has not released his August fundraising numbers because he knows Joe Biden blew him way out of the water with the $364.5 million record he broke.

Trump's base is dwindling and there is nothing he can do to stop it.
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Lions, Tigers and Bears-OH MY!

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I dont remember such themed flags as a reason to re elect Obama for a 2nd term .. seeing all the crying Republicans were doing. About Obama And all if was made up. Unlike Trumps behaviors

Not sure if conservatives know Portland doesn't represent the United states its become the new chicago rallying cry of conservatives.. and portland is an oddity it Oregon its self

substantial majority of Portlanders — 74 percent — consider themselves to be liberal on social issues, compared with 35 percent of the rest of the region and 36 percent of the rest of the state.


But like most conservatives they want to spin this elaborate story that what's going on in Portland is tied to some grand national movment of the democratic party .

So places like fox and other conservative media outlets play the same loop day after day and have the base convinced its every where

here's a local example of conservatives and Trump supporters over reaction and gullibility, I have a brother in law who is a rabid Trump fan. Who informs me at a cook out about QAnon. And how yesterday Sunday BLM and Antifa were decending on a Trump flag store and he and others were going to defend the store . At 6pm. So yesterday 150 Trump supporters set up shop flags lawn chairs at the closed business majority Mask less no social distancing. . and guess who's shows up 2 18 years old with homemade signs. Simple masks no hoods no back pack or Antifa markings. One saying BLM and 1 saying G Floyd Rest in peace.. and in typical Trump support er fashion one guy got in their face screaming sun tans dont make you BLACK . Over and over . I guess he was suggesting your white you shouldn't be supporting a different race

Those 2 young Girls had some guts for showing up


Ps still haven't seen an explanation on who are these strongman flags directed at? Russia China or Americans who dont support Trump... .?

That's a nice little story. It explains everything.

[t.orlando]

Trump kiosk outside in Brant Rock this weekend brought in close to $250k...bet half the people buying merch were woman. Think Nov will be a landslide victory for Trump

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Lions, Tigers and Bears-OH MY!

In an unprecedented public attack by a sitting US president on the leadership of the US military, President Trump has accused US military leaders of seeking to start wars to boost the profits of defense contractors
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by t.orlando

Trump kiosk outside in Brant Rock this weekend brought in close to $250k...bet half the people buying merch were woman. Think Nov will be a landslide victory for Trump

Really
Some people inside the campaign are forecasting what was once unthinkable: a cash crunch with less than 60 days until the election’
He better sell a lot of junk
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by t.orlando

Trump kiosk outside in Brant Rock this weekend brought in close to $250k...bet half the people buying merch were woman. Think Nov will be a landslide victory for Trump

So they sold 16 Thousand Flags at 15.00 bucks a piece ..
Aren't campaign signs usually free from campaigns
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[Pete F.]

Sheldon Adelson has cut off Trump and is privately telling people in Vegas he blames Trump for him losing billions.

This is amazing.
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[PaulS]

Lawyers are expensive
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sheldon Adelson has cut off Trump and is privately telling people in Vegas he blames Trump for him losing billions.

This is amazing.
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Doesn't seem to be very private. Gotta look out for the un-private "private" conversations. Sort of like anonymous sources.

[Pete F.]

Multiple sightings in Bucks County, PA on Labor Day: “Republicans for Biden” signs. The suburbs are turning
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Multiple sightings in Bucks County, PA on Labor Day: “Republicans for Biden” signs. The suburbs are turning
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multiple...like 3?

[Got Stripers]

On seeing the report four boats sank in a recent Trump boater rally in Texas I believe I found this amusing.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

In an unprecedented public attack by a sitting US president on the leadership of the US military, President Trump has accused US military leaders of seeking to start wars to boost the profits of defense contractors
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Have you seen a verified, documented transcript or exact quote in its context, or is this hearsay by unnamed sources. Have you ever heard Trump unjustifiably attack the U.S. military--not some person or "leader" in the military--but the military itself?

[Pete F.]

Here's the quote from Whitehouse.gov
"I’m not saying the military is in love with me; the soldiers are. The top people in the Pentagon probably aren’t because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy."

Divide and conquer. The oldest play in the book. Trump has been doing it since he came down the escalator. Today he took it to a new level by seeking to divide military rank and file from their leadership. The Commander-in-Chief is undermining his own military chain-of-command. He's too ignorant to realize that "the Pentagon is just a bunch of guys starting wars so they can give contracts to industry" is pretty much the Cold War, Marxist-Leninist Soviet line since forever.

Just more lies from Tweety about military spending

In a statement after the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, the president said we should all move on because the Saudis promised to buy a lot of American weapons.

It has been 670 days since Tweety said he would be sharing more information about the death of Jamal Khashoggi in less than a month.
"A month? That's a long time. There's no reason for that much. It'll be faster."

It wasn't faster.

Six months after Khashoggi was killed in a Saudi consulate, we learned Energy Secretary Rick Perry approved SIX secret authorizations by companies to sell sensitive nuclear technology and assistance to Saudi Arabia.

Trump later abandoned the Kurds fighting isis, left our bases for Putin, and redirected our troops to the Saudis. Not to mention the Nuke tech he’s provided to them either, against Congress’ wishes.

In June, at an event where he claimed to have personally redesigned a new frigate to “make it beautiful,” he also admitted that he’d steered a $5 billion defense contract to a shipyard in Wisconsin because it’s a swing state.

Just think, Osama Bin Laden’s niece has endorsed Trump.

Donald Trump’s niece has endorsed Biden.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Clearly not you but then you. Dont care about dignity, respect, compassion, honor , decency, accountability or basic competence .. or. Truth or the ability to actually tell it from the leader of the free world

Blah, blah, talking points. Mostly repeated mantras meant to create a basically false picture of Trump. That is, mostly the repeated lies that have become "truth" for you.

Many of the traits all past Presidents possessed some more than others

But who does Trump and his supporters model him after Vladimir Putin
An actual communist and socialist Strong man

And they cant even see it happening
Here are some Trump supporters

If Russia assists MAGA Candidates on the internet in this year’s midterms, that’s not the end of the world.” And others re-upped a C-span clip from the day before in which a caller identified as Mary Lou from Connecticut said, “I’ll try not to sound too awful, but I want to thank the Russians for interfering with our election to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president. That woman has got illusions of grandeur.”

And now Trump reportedly wants Putin summit before November election




Putin's Image Rises in U.S., Mostly Among Republicans

today.

Americans' Favorable Ratings of Putin, by Party
2015 2017 Change%
%
pct. pts.
Republicans 12 32 +20
Independentx 12 23 +11
Democrats 15 10 -5
GALLUP

Trump's friendlier approach toward Putin appears to have garnered more positive feelings from members of the president's party toward the Russian leader ... now way how could that poll show a plus 20 jump but Republicans keep saying Democrats what the United states to a communist socialist nation?.

Wow . . . the Independents had a big jump in approval too. The Independents are trending commie!

Oh, not that it's meaningful or important to you, but the Communist Party USA works with and in support of the Democrat Party. And their platforms have been consistently similar. Maybe the Republicans are getting more jealous and are saying "Hey, help us too. We are having more positive feelings toward Putin!"

Or maybe it's a rather meaningless poll in regards to our trending toward socialism. It's the Progressive Democrats (and outright socialist Democrats) that have a serious problem with capitalism.

[Pete F.]

I can't believe people are comparing Trump to Satan.
Sure he's evil, but certainly not as evil as Trump.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I can't believe people are comparing Trump to Satan.
Sure he's evil, but certainly not as evil as Trump.

This is very profound and important. Keep up the good work.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Wow . . . the Independents had a big jump in approval too. The Independents are trending commie!

Oh, not that it's meaningful or important to you, but the Communist Party USA works with and in support of the Democrat Party. And their platforms have been consistently similar. Maybe the Republicans are getting more jealous and are saying "Hey, help us too. We are having more positive feelings toward Putin!"

Or maybe it's a rather meaningless poll in regards to our trending toward socialism. It's the Progressive Democrats (and outright socialist Democrats) that have a serious problem with capitalism.

run on your hamster wheel all you want Republicans 20 points Higher dont try to blame independents ..

Party US have been around since the 20's and their biggest vote count for POTUS was 103,307 in 1932 so please lets not exaggerate .. on how dangerous they are or their helping Biden OMG and Q is helping Trump whos more dangerous

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Here's the quote from Whitehouse.gov
"I’m not saying the military is in love with me; the soldiers are. The top people in the Pentagon probably aren’t because they want to do nothing but fight wars so that all of those wonderful companies that make the bombs and make the planes and make everything else stay happy."

That certainly is not him saying that the soldiers are losers and suckers. As far as what he said about the top people in the pentagon, it mirrors to a great degree what Eisenhower said about the military industrial complex.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

run on your hamster wheel all you want Republicans 20 points Higher dont try to blame independents ..

I didn't "blame" independents. I just noted that your stats showed a big jump in their approval for Putin. And that it's a meaningless poll in regards to our slide toward socialism (unless you think that Independents approving of Putin more somehow mean we are becoming more socialist).

Party US have been around since the 20's and their biggest vote count for POTUS was 103,307 in 1932 so please lets not exaggerate .. on how dangerous they are or their helping Biden OMG and Q is helping Trump whos more dangerous

Well, since the population is at least 250% higher today than in 1932 we'd be looking at 250,000+ votes some of which could be enough in swing states with tight races to make a difference. And it's not about how "dangerous" the Commie connection to the Democrat party is (I don't think you believe it is dangerous, so I won't go there). It is about which party is actually heading us more precipitously into socialism, your Putin poll notwithstanding.

The Commies helping the Dems is not just about the actual Commie vote, but in various get out the vote, and persuasion of "working class" and undecided voters through propaganda and on the ground actions, including protests, riots, disinformation, creating distrust of the system, etc.

And, again, as I said, the Commie platform and purported agenda is almost a twin of the Dems. For the Commies, the Dems are the useful idiot tools that will eventually lead to their victory. Here's this year's message from the CPUSA. Note how if this wasn't designated as the Commie agenda, you would recognize it as the Dem's.

CPUSA Political Action Commission's "People power: At the ballot box and beyond":

No one movement by itself can determine the outcome of the elections. But all people’s organizations, including the Communist Party USA, can decide what the post-election climate of struggle will look like: will we be fighting for our lives or for the advanced demands we need? The goal of the Communist Party USA is to change what is possible in this given moment with the movement we can and continue to build. The 2020 elections aren’t about getting Biden elected as president. This is mainly about defeating a right-wing agenda in the United States.

The dominance of the right wing in U.S. society had led to many setbacks in the struggle for socialism. Our participation in the elections is a step toward setting the stage for advancing our efforts. Building working-class unity around the 2020 elections is going to be a challenge.

Defeating the far right at the ballot box across the nation at all levels of government will allow for more advanced struggles. The struggle for universal health care, education, and the right to housing and jobs will not develop beyond its current stage if the far right maintains a foothold in the state. Communists must develop real links with the working class, and this cannot be done by sitting out the elections. Millions of workers will head to the polls in November. The result of this election will determine the fate of working people far outside the United States. Communists must strive to be where workers are, not where we want them to be. Working in the elections, the mass movement for Black lives, and other progressive mass organizations is one of the primary ways the Communist Party develops organic ties to the masses.

Many were disappointed when Sen. Bernie Sanders dropped out of the Democratic Party presidential primary. Sen. Sanders’ dropping out of the race isn’t the end of the movement that started long before his campaign began. The progressive changes in the Democratic Party will continue. Bernie Sanders’ clear message to his supporters is that their campaign made progress in bringing vital issues like the $15 minimum wage, Green New Deal, and Medicare for All into the mainstream, but to continue and win those fights it is urgent to defeat Trump by voting for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

Progressive working-class organizations will engage in the electoral battle, depending on their own needs and goals. As Communists, we must work with these mass organizations and seek to build real organic ties. Sitting out elections won’t aid in the political development of workers. Elections are a time to educate ourselves and the working class.

A defeat of Trump and a large portion of the right wing will allow the progressive working-class movement to go on the offensive.
The threat of fascism is a real and present danger. Since the 2016 elections, hate crime in the U.S. has risen every year. Immigrant children have been separated from their families, and police violence continues to be a significant issue across the nation. The 2020 elections won’t solve all the glaring problems of the United States. A defeat of Donald Trump and a large portion of the right wing will allow the progressive working-class movement to go on the offensive.

The Young Communist League has a vital role in mobilizing young voters. The coronavirus will shape the politics of millions of Americans for generations to come. Mobilizing workers doesn’t end at the elections. Collecting contact information of the people met through organizing is vital for future struggles. If there is a single issue that gets someone to vote, make a note of it. The minimum wage, immigration reform, or health care may be one reason someone is voting. Don’t only take notes on those who will be voting in the election. Those who don’t vote can be a good source of information. Many workers don’t vote, and this is what the right wing in the United States wants. The fewer people that vote, the more the right wing tends to win. Understanding the reasons people don’t vote in your area helps inform future organizing efforts.

The right to a higher education

Student loan debt is stunting the future of many. The economic depression we are faced with will only get worse under the current regime in government. An economic stimulus for workers and students is needed. Student loan forgiveness and universal higher education are goals outside the movement’s reach if the Republican Party is allowed to dominate politics.

The right to a job

Gainful employment is hard to come by. The fight for $15 movement has taken years to get the minimum wage raised in several states. In many states, raising the minimum wage has been delayed to the point of barely helping low-wage workers. The cost of living continues to go up across the nation, and the federal government hasn’t responded. The right to a job must include a right to unionize. Stronger labor laws that favor workers instead of the bosses is a need. This is something that won’t be accomplished if the Republican Party remains the dominant force in the nation.

The right to health care

Now more than ever has the fight for universal health care become a central issue facing the nation. The coronavirus has shown how fragile the system of capitalism is and the health-care model that puts profits before people. Hospitals have run out of space, testing has been delayed or improperly administered, and many have suffered little to no action by the federal government. Universal health care, including the nationalization of hospitals, is needed. The coronavirus will not be the last pandemic to hit this nation.

Police reform and freedom from racial discrimination

Racism has long been a pillar on which the U.S. has been built. It maintains a racial caste system to preserve the power of the capitalist ruling class. The police are a weapon of ruling-class oppression. The racist killings of black and brown youth by the police is part of the oppressive system we live in. The police need to defunded and reconstructed to be accountable to the people whose communities they police.

The environmental movement

The struggle over the environment is about having a future worth fighting for. Climate change and pollution have destroyed the communities of the poor and people of color. The New Deal represents a step in the right direction toward leaving harmful fossil fuels behind and offering new jobs to workers who would otherwise be displaced when the economy would have to shift away from fossil fuels when the wells start to run dry.

The money is there for all these needs by cutting the military budget and taxing the rich. Movements for these demands are also growing across the country among youth and all generations.

Elections are an essential time to build new working relationships with working-class voters. It is necessary to emphasize the progressive change that can happen with the defeat of the Republican Party in 2020. There are more progressive and socialist candidates in office than there have been in a long time. The uprisings for Black Lives, workers’ rights, and the right to live are helping to shift the nation’s politics into a more socialist direction.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Well, since the population is at least 250% higher today than in 1932 we'd be looking at 250,000+ votes some of which could be enough in swing states with tight races to make a difference. And it's not about how "dangerous" the Commie connection to the Democrat party is (I don't think you believe it is dangerous, so I won't go there). It is about which party is actually heading us more precipitously into socialism, your Putin poll notwithstanding.

The Commies helping the Dems is not just about the actual Commie vote, but in various get out the vote, and persuasion of "working class" and undecided voters through propaganda and on the ground actions, including protests, riots, disinformation, creating distrust of the system, etc.

And, again, as I said, the Commie platform and purported agenda is almost a twin of the Dems. For the Commies, the Dems are the useful idiot tools that will eventually lead to their victory. Here's this year's message from the CPUSA. Note how if this wasn't designated as the Commie agenda, you would recognize it as the Dem's.

CPUSA Political Action Commission's "People power: At the ballot box and beyond":

No one movement by itself can determine the outcome of the elections. But all people’s organizations, including the Communist Party USA, can decide what the post-election climate of struggle will look like: will we be fighting for our lives or for the advanced demands we need? The goal of the Communist Party USA is to change what is possible in this given moment with the movement we can and continue to build. The 2020 elections aren’t about getting Biden elected as president. This is mainly about defeating a right-wing agenda in the United States.

The dominance of the right wing in U.S. society had led to many setbacks in the struggle for socialism. Our participation in the elections is a step toward setting the stage for advancing our efforts. Building working-class unity around the 2020 elections is going to be a challenge.

Defeating the far right at the ballot box across the nation at all levels of government will allow for more advanced struggles. The struggle for universal health care, education, and the right to housing and jobs will not develop beyond its current stage if the far right maintains a foothold in the state. Communists must develop real links with the working class, and this cannot be done by sitting out the elections. Millions of workers will head to the polls in November. The result of this election will determine the fate of working people far outside the United States. Communists must strive to be where workers are, not where we want them to be. Working in the elections, the mass movement for Black lives, and other progressive mass organizations is one of the primary ways the Communist Party develops organic ties to the masses.

Many were disappointed when Sen. Bernie Sanders dropped out of the Democratic Party presidential primary. Sen. Sanders’ dropping out of the race isn’t the end of the movement that started long before his campaign began. The progressive changes in the Democratic Party will continue. Bernie Sanders’ clear message to his supporters is that their campaign made progress in bringing vital issues like the $15 minimum wage, Green New Deal, and Medicare for All into the mainstream, but to continue and win those fights it is urgent to defeat Trump by voting for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

Progressive working-class organizations will engage in the electoral battle, depending on their own needs and goals. As Communists, we must work with these mass organizations and seek to build real organic ties. Sitting out elections won’t aid in the political development of workers. Elections are a time to educate ourselves and the working class.

A defeat of Trump and a large portion of the right wing will allow the progressive working-class movement to go on the offensive.
The threat of fascism is a real and present danger. Since the 2016 elections, hate crime in the U.S. has risen every year. Immigrant children have been separated from their families, and police violence continues to be a significant issue across the nation. The 2020 elections won’t solve all the glaring problems of the United States. A defeat of Donald Trump and a large portion of the right wing will allow the progressive working-class movement to go on the offensive.

The Young Communist League has a vital role in mobilizing young voters. The coronavirus will shape the politics of millions of Americans for generations to come. Mobilizing workers doesn’t end at the elections. Collecting contact information of the people met through organizing is vital for future struggles. If there is a single issue that gets someone to vote, make a note of it. The minimum wage, immigration reform, or health care may be one reason someone is voting. Don’t only take notes on those who will be voting in the election. Those who don’t vote can be a good source of information. Many workers don’t vote, and this is what the right wing in the United States wants. The fewer people that vote, the more the right wing tends to win. Understanding the reasons people don’t vote in your area helps inform future organizing efforts.

The right to a higher education

Student loan debt is stunting the future of many. The economic depression we are faced with will only get worse under the current regime in government. An economic stimulus for workers and students is needed. Student loan forgiveness and universal higher education are goals outside the movement’s reach if the Republican Party is allowed to dominate politics.

The right to a job

Gainful employment is hard to come by. The fight for $15 movement has taken years to get the minimum wage raised in several states. In many states, raising the minimum wage has been delayed to the point of barely helping low-wage workers. The cost of living continues to go up across the nation, and the federal government hasn’t responded. The right to a job must include a right to unionize. Stronger labor laws that favor workers instead of the bosses is a need. This is something that won’t be accomplished if the Republican Party remains the dominant force in the nation.

The right to health care

Now more than ever has the fight for universal health care become a central issue facing the nation. The coronavirus has shown how fragile the system of capitalism is and the health-care model that puts profits before people. Hospitals have run out of space, testing has been delayed or improperly administered, and many have suffered little to no action by the federal government. Universal health care, including the nationalization of hospitals, is needed. The coronavirus will not be the last pandemic to hit this nation.

Police reform and freedom from racial discrimination

Racism has long been a pillar on which the U.S. has been built. It maintains a racial caste system to preserve the power of the capitalist ruling class. The police are a weapon of ruling-class oppression. The racist killings of black and brown youth by the police is part of the oppressive system we live in. The police need to defunded and reconstructed to be accountable to the people whose communities they police.

The environmental movement

The struggle over the environment is about having a future worth fighting for. Climate change and pollution have destroyed the communities of the poor and people of color. The New Deal represents a step in the right direction toward leaving harmful fossil fuels behind and offering new jobs to workers who would otherwise be displaced when the economy would have to shift away from fossil fuels when the wells start to run dry.

The money is there for all these needs by cutting the military budget and taxing the rich. Movements for these demands are also growing across the country among youth and all generations.

Elections are an essential time to build new working relationships with working-class voters. It is necessary to emphasize the progressive change that can happen with the defeat of the Republican Party in 2020. There are more progressive and socialist candidates in office than there have been in a long time. The uprisings for Black Lives, workers’ rights, and the right to live are helping to shift the nation’s politics into a more socialist direction.

people like you have been spewing this nonsense for decades and I am still waiting for this socialist nation to materialize .... its the conservative go to mantra when their candidate is weak ..

and 250k out of 328.2 million people your fear of communist is not based on any rational thought .. complete paranoia ..

to bad you dont see the real threat to America

[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

people like you have been spewing this nonsense for decades and I am still waiting for this socialist nation to materialize .... its the conservative go to mantra when their candidate is weak ..

and 250k out of 328.2 million people your fear of communist is not based on any rational thought .. complete paranoia ..

to bad you dont see the real threat to America

It's crazy how they bemoan the progressive threat to Constitutional government when Trump is undermining the Constitution left and right.

The people ain't buying it.

[Got Stripers]

I can’t believe you guys still attempt to debate the blue man, he gets is rocks off pontificating in this forum, it’s actually sad to witness. Nothing you say changes his twisted view go fishing.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

people like you have been spewing this nonsense for decades and I am still waiting for this socialist nation to materialize .... its the conservative go to mantra when their candidate is weak ..

and 250k out of 328.2 million people your fear of communist is not based on any rational thought .. complete paranoia ..

to bad you dont see the real threat to America

People have been spewing stuff for decades. You probably have been spewing stuff for decades. You're the one who brought up communism and how Republicans (and Independents) had a big jump of approval for Putin as if that was supposed to be related to socialist communism and that it's the "Republicans keep saying Democrats what the United states to a communist socialist nation?"

So I pointed out, that actual Communists, the CPUSA, are aligned with Democrats, and absolutely against the Republicans and especially want to get rid of Trump who is a danger to their goal of instituting Progressive agendas.

Since you equate approval of Putin to communism to the U.S. becoming a Communist Socialist nation makes one wonder why you lefties keep thinking that Trump supposedly liking Putin is a danger to U.S. security if we're never going to be socialist or communist.

At any rate, what I have been spewing is that through the Democrat Party, as it is progressing, we will become a totally Progressive State, not a Constitutional Republic. Granted, I consider Progressivism a socialistic ideology in that the government under that ideology is not limited. But, of course, that is just spewing.

So, your vision being the standard, Progressivism is perfectly fine, just another valid interpretation of the Constitution to suit the changing times, and we will continue on as a free people whose unalienable rights will be protected by Progressive "interpretation." And, of course, since there may only be a quarter million Communists in the country who are devoted to changing our system of government, they could not possibly have anything to do with the country wide mostly peaceful riots and influencing the Democrat party, while working with them and through them, into an agenda that is strikingly, if not completely, similar to theirs.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That certainly is not him saying that the soldiers are losers and suckers. As far as what he said about the top people in the pentagon, it mirrors to a great degree what Eisenhower said about the military industrial complex.

Baloney

Trump's present anger against the military senior command arises from his outraged discovery that the US military is loyal to the US government, to the US constitution - and not to Donald John Trump personally.

That's all this is about. Trump wants a military that will shoot protesters to clear the streets for his photo ops.

The military high command remember that they swore their oath to the Constitution, not to Trump.

Trump hates them for it.

Eisenhower was also particularly concerned that military spending would overwhelm the private economy - and push the US into debt.

Even before COVID, Trump had put the US on the path to trillion-dollar deficits forever.

Eisenhower - who inherited the Korean War - did reduce defense spending over his eight years by some 27%.

In this respect, Trump is no Eisenhower. Over Trump's four years in office, he boosted defense spending from just over $600 bn to just over $700 bn.
And he’s claiming it’s the military leadership
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

It's crazy how they bemoan the progressive threat to Constitutional government when Trump is undermining the Constitution left and right.

The people ain't buying it.

How is he undermining the Constitution?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

People have been spewing stuff for decades. You probably have been spewing stuff for decades. You're the one who brought up communism and how Republicans (and Independents) had a big jump of approval for Putin as if that was supposed to be related to socialist communism and that it's the "Republicans keep saying Democrats what the United states to a communist socialist nation?"

So I pointed out, that actual Communists, the CPUSA, are aligned with Democrats, and absolutely against the Republicans and especially want to get rid of Trump who is a danger to their goal of instituting Progressive agendas.

Since you equate approval of Putin to communism to the U.S. becoming a Communist Socialist nation makes one wonder why you lefties keep thinking that Trump supposedly liking Putin is a danger to U.S. security if we're never going to be socialist or communist.

At any rate, what I have been spewing is that through the Democrat Party, as it is progressing, we will become a totally Progressive State, not a Constitutional Republic. Granted, I consider Progressivism a socialistic ideology in that the government under that ideology is not limited. But, of course, that is just spewing.

So, your vision being the standard, Progressivism is perfectly fine, just another valid interpretation of the Constitution to suit the changing times, and we will continue on as a free people whose unalienable rights will be protected by Progressive "interpretation." And, of course, since there may only be a quarter million Communists in the country who are devoted to changing our system of government, they could not possibly have anything to do with the country wide mostly peaceful riots and influencing the Democrat party, while working with them and through them, into an agenda that is strikingly, if not completely, similar to theirs.

The foundational ideology of the Ku Klux Klan is that radical Marxists are trying to incite a race war to destroy white civilization.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Baloney

Trump's present anger against the military senior command arises from his outraged discovery that the US military is loyal to the US government, to the US constitution - and not to Donald John Trump personally.

That's all this is about. Trump wants a military that will shoot protesters to clear the streets for his photo ops.

The military high command remember that they swore their oath to the Constitution, not to Trump.

Trump hates them for it.

I don't recall Trump saying any of this. Are you conjecturing again.

Eisenhower was also particularly concerned that military spending would overwhelm the private economy - and push the US into debt.

Even before COVID, Trump had put the US on the path to trillion-dollar deficits forever.

Eisenhower - who inherited the Korean War - did reduce defense spending over his eight years by some 27%.

In this respect, Trump is no Eisenhower. Over Trump's four years in office, he boosted defense spending from just over $600 bn to just over $700 bn.
And he’s claiming it’s the military leadership

The national debt, before Trump, was already on the path to trillion dollar deficits forever--and that was with reduced military spending and a sequester on military spending. The military, at a time when it was claimed by the military command, if I remember correctly, that it would be difficult to maintain a war on two fronts, and Iran, radical Islamists, Russia, North Korea, and especially China, were dangerously expanding and high tech modernizing their militaries. It was the military command, not Trump, who decided on how much the military needed.

I don't know if Eisenhower foresaw the 20 trillion dollar deficit that Trump had "inherited." Or if he foresaw an economy crippling pandemic that required several trillion dollars to finance.

And yeah it was the military leadership and military hawks in Congress and the administration that called for the 700 billion dollar budget. McCain asked for Congress and the White House to work "expeditiously" on a budget agreement that secures the increased $700 billion for the military following years of spending cuts. He also said "After nearly a decade of asking our troops to do more with less, we hope this agreement will allow the military to begin to rebuild and ensure that process can continue into next year," and Jim Mattis pressed for a sweeping budget deal that would realize a long-sought Pentagon goal of lifting the caps on defense spending under the sequester process.

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

The foundational ideology of the Ku Klux Klan is that radical Marxists are trying to incite a race war to destroy white civilization.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

What's your point?

Your beliefs
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