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Old 10-25-2008, 12:10 PM   #91
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Would you care to expound how your taxes will go up?
The infamous claim of ALL politicians: "Read my lips, no new taxes."

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Old 10-25-2008, 01:24 PM   #92
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I wonder how many lay offs I'll have to make to compensate for the increased taxes.
what if the economy picks up and.. oh my goodness, could you imagine.... you had to hire more people??? One can dream right?
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Old 10-25-2008, 04:30 PM   #93
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what if the economy picks up and.. oh my goodness, could you imagine.... you had to hire more people??? One can dream right?
Good point, I'll just hire fewer than I would have pre punitive taxation state. Or better yet an across the board price increase with a little extra tacked on for bonuses. Nobody will even notice. Whatever the case the earnings will remain intact. Let the end user compensate.

Obamanomics.

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sounds more like baracnaphobia to me.
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Good point, I'll just hire fewer than I would have pre punitive taxation state. Or better yet an across the board price increase with a little extra tacked on for bonuses. Nobody will even notice. Whatever the case the earnings will remain intact. Let the end user compensate.

Obamanomics.
It's no wonder the economy is in the dumper with such negative attitudes in small business.

You might just innovate your products and lean your processes, investing the improvements in top and bottom line into more local jobs.

Business as usual ain't going to cut it regardless of who's President. Anyone who thinks that change is the fault of someone else sure doesn't sound like a Republican to me.

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Old 10-26-2008, 07:42 AM   #96
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It's no wonder the economy is in the dumper with such negative attitudes in small business.

You might just innovate your products and lean your processes, investing the improvements in top and bottom line into more local jobs.

Business as usual ain't going to cut it regardless of who's President. Anyone who thinks that change is the fault of someone else sure doesn't sound like a Republican to me.

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This my friend is very far from small business. This is very large business with local, regional, national and global earnings expectations and yes we are circling our wagons against the negative impacts BHO's tax plan will present. In case you haven't noticed businesses have already innovated their processes and driven effeciencies through all levels of the operations. Increased costs equate to increased consumer priceing and job losses, period end of story.

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Old 10-27-2008, 02:31 PM   #97
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This my friend is very far from small business. This is very large business with local, regional, national and global earnings expectations and yes we are circling our wagons against the negative impacts BHO's tax plan will present. In case you haven't noticed businesses have already innovated their processes and driven effeciencies through all levels of the operations. Increased costs equate to increased consumer priceing and job losses, period end of story.
You could just hire some illegal aliens offset the tax increases
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Old 10-27-2008, 03:19 PM   #98
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move to canada

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Wink

FS, i'm thinkin France might be a betta choice,
but maybe it would be betta to hope BO got elected,
and just stay here so we can be called "world citizens."

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I wonder if Lt Dan thinks dinosaurs were here 4000 years ago? I bet he does. and that they were republicans.

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It's a tough swim to France, the current in the Strait of Gibraltar is brutal.
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Old 10-27-2008, 05:51 PM   #102
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do you make more than 250 G's a year?? cause I dont. If not, Would you care to expound how your taxes will go up?
IT will be practically impossible not to raise taxes to do what either one of them propose to do.
Same a Devalenomics
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It's a tough swim to France, the current in the Strait of Gibraltar is brutal.
For sure,and swimming would be the only way anyone could afford to go,
under Obama's spending plans.

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Old 10-28-2008, 07:09 AM   #104
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I wonder if Lt Dan thinks dinosaurs were here 4000 years ago? I bet he does. and that they were republicans.
Ahh, the cocky know it all, open minded liberal. The pride of the country.
Chew on this smarty.

1. Hundreds of millions of people (perhaps billions?) believe that 2000 yrs ago a guy was killed, then came back to life, and if you beleive that, you are guaranteed a spot in heaven. Becasue of course, this guy was the son of god.
2. If your a jew, better have the skin from your johnson cut off, or else you will not seal the covenant with god !
3. A person needs to take some water, make a cross on your head to absolve you of original sin or else, no entry in heaven!

Science has PROVEN no religion and every religion is whacked. My point, dont discount people based on the their faith, ALL RELIGIONS believe things that common sense easily discount.

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You're advocating discounting carbon dating and having an open mind as negative by-products of the liberal elite?
I think what we'll see sooner than later is the republican party taking a big giant step to the center. You can't sell the conservative ideal to a browner, poorer, less heterosexual population and expect to win national elections.

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You're advocating discounting carbon dating and having an open mind as negative by-products of the liberal elite?
I think what we'll see sooner than later is the republican party taking a big giant step to the center. You can't sell the conservative ideal to a browner, poorer, less heterosexual population and expect to win national elections.
Joe, look at the "liberal" responses to this thread, Im sorry I missed the OPEN MIND. The liberal open mind is only open to those that agree with them. Thats my biggest issue with liberals. If you say you are goign to drop out of society and go study llamas, the libs say great! follow your dreams. If you say your goign to drop out and open a bible study class, the libs say dumb religious wacko.
Its always that way.
If the population could get past the "I hate Bush" mentalilty they would understand that conservatism (not right wing wackos) are more "in the middle" and more in line with the average American ideals.

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I think what we'll see sooner than later is the republican party taking a big giant step to the center.
Your right Joe, and sooner rather than later it will be the party with the most free cash machines on every corner that will win.

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What should republican strategists make of states that have not voted for a democrat since 1964 now voting for a black guy with an Islamic name?
Its more than just anti-Bush sentiment: its indicative of the need for systemic reform of the message because if they don't the party will become marginalized to the point of irrelevance.

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What should republican strategists make of states that have not voted for a democrat since 1964 now voting for a black guy with an Islamic name?
Its more than just anti-Bush sentiment: its indicative of the need for systemic reform of the message because if they don't the party will become marginalized to the point of irrelevance.
Say it aint so Joe, you know.....thats prolly how its gon' go!
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What should republican strategists make of states that have not voted for a democrat since 1964 now voting for a black guy with an Islamic name?
Its more than just anti-Bush sentiment: its indicative of the need for systemic reform of the message because if they don't the party will become marginalized to the point of irrelevance.
one word - economy

And if the solution is the government should be solving the problem, as most believe it is, we are in bigger trouble than I could ever imagine.

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one word - economy

And if the solution is the government should be solving the problem, as most believe it is, we are in bigger trouble than I could ever imagine.
If people are voting Democrat because of the state of the economy, shouldn't they also look into the Democatic Congress that has been in place during the current administration?

Now, I'm not very bright, but haven't the Democrats either sponsored or voted for some of the bills that have passed which have contributed to our current defecit? It amazes me how little people know about the government that makes decisions for them. Then, they base their opinion on who they will vote for on the opinions of others who are as ill-informed as they are.

Everyone wants to blame Bush for everything, even though it takes more than one man or one party to get this country into the pickle we are now in.

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oh, I know all religions are pretty crazy. and I think that applying reason to all but 1 part of your life is stupid. like facts only matter if you're not talking about religion. were you trying to prove my point RIJIMMY? how can anyone justify voting republican after the last 8 years. 9/11, the katrina aftermath, the gross underestimate of the cost of the iraq war, both in lives and dollars and the failure of wall street. all under the watch of a republican president and a republican congress(for 6 of those 8 years). they have failed on every level. and if you think that there will be different people running a McCain administration you're fooling yourselves, or don't know enough about it. don't we at least owe the other guy a chance to fail? republicans have already proven that they will.

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You could just hire some illegal aliens offset the tax increases
No. We dont hire illegal aliens. We do a far more thorough job of ascertaining citzenship than the Democratic party does of their presidential candidates.

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Fact Obama born in United States
Fact McCain born in Panama.
If you have a question about Obama's citizenship, do you have questions about anyone a darker shade of pale than you?

Things you have to believe to be a Republican today:

Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.

Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is communist, but trade with China and Vietnam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.

The United States should get out of the United Nations, and our highest national priority is enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.

A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multi-national corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.

Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals and Hillary Clinton.

The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.

If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.

A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our long-time allies, then demand their cooperation and money.

Providing health care to all Iraqis is sound policy. Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.

HMOs and insurance companies have the best interests of the public at heart.

Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.

A president lying about an extramarital affair is a impeachable offense. A president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy.

Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet.

The public has a right to know about Hillary's cattle trades, but George Bush's drunk driving record and cocaine arrest are none of our business.

Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative radio host. Then it's an illness, and you need our prayers for your recovery.

You support states' rights, which means Attorney General John Ashcroft can tell states what local voter initiatives they have the right to adopt.

Clinton's business interests in the 1970s in which he lost money are of vital national interest, but Bush's activities in the 1980s in which he made money under questionable circumstances is unimportant.

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I could've sworn McCain was born on an American Military Installation to American parents. That can be proven, has and should be. All Presidential Candidates should provide proof that they meet the standards and qualifications set forth by the Constitution. Is that unreasonable?

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umm... no. are you saying Obama can't prove he's a citizen? if so, where do you get your information? fox and friends maybe?

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umm... no. are you saying Obama can't prove he's a citizen? if so, where do you get your information? fox and friends maybe?

Are you saying he has?

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I think we should legalize marijuana, then tax it. I know lots of people who wouldn't mind buying a legal highly taxed product. that would make up some tax dollars. alcohol and tobacco are legal yet kill hundreds of thousands each year. marijuana acounts for what? 12? to bad the republicans would never go for it. I guess the weed lobbiests are lazier than alcohol, tobacco and gun lobbiest.

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“PHILADELPHIA — A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama’s qualifications to be president. U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick rejected the suit by lawyer Philip J. Berg, who alleged that Obama was not a U.S. citizen and was, therefore, ineligible for the presidency.

FactCheck.org Clarifies Barack’s Citizenship

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

but of course FactCheck.org and most federal judges are in the bag for Obama

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