Ukraine

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump would have paved the way for Putin’s seizure of Ukraine

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dumbest thing written anywhere today

[Pete F.]

Trump was pursuing a deal for his Moscow tower through his campaign and even into his first months in office…and lied to the public about it. Putin knew Trump had balls because he was holding him by them
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The President doesn't have the authority to unilaterally decide who will be accepted into the intergovernmental forum. And, obviously, Putin didn't need being a member of the G8 to "pave his way."

So you would really argue that the West would have produced this level of organized response if Trump was in office and belittling allies, praising Putin, & denigrating international institutions-after extorting Zelensky and falsely claiming Ukraine interfered against him?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So you would really argue that the West would have produced this level of organized response if Trump was in office and belittling allies, praising Putin, & denigrating international institutions-after extorting Zelensky and falsely claiming Ukraine interfered against him?
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if that’s all so obvious, why didn’t Putin move when Trump was in office? you’re saying Putin would have been far better off invading then, so why didn’t he?

Have fun getting out of that one.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if that’s all so obvious, why didn’t Putin move when Trump was in office? you’re saying Putin would have been far better off invading then, so why didn’t he?

Have fun getting out of that one.
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Putin’s goal in 2020 just like in 2016 was to get Trump elected.
I’m sure if he had been re-elected and it came out that Putin had waited till after the election, you would be claiming “well, Obama did it”
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Putin’s goal in 2020 just like in 2016 was to get Trump elected.
I’m sure if he had been re-elected and it came out that Putin had waited till after the election, you would be claiming “well, Obama did it”
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you’re saying it was more important for Putin to make Trump look good, than to invade at the optimal time.

Makes sense.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re saying it was more important for Putin to make Trump look good, than to invade at the optimal time.

Makes sense.
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Optimally, Putin would have it given to him.
Like Belarus
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re saying it was more important for Putin to make Trump look good, than to invade at the optimal time.

Makes sense.
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Are you seriously questioning why we left leaning posters are focused on what Trump is doing? The GOP became the party of Trump, everything he does and says appears to point to him running again, so when we are in the worst European conflict since WWII, instead of showing support for Ukraine, the US or the EU, he lavashes praise on Putin and criticizes everything nato is doing. Trump continues to give Putin wonderful state media clips to bolster his image.

Trump gave Putin just what he needed while in office, undermining nato, legitimizing Putin’s views of Ukraine and his goals, attempting to withhold funding, it’s an easy argument to win on why Putin waited until now, knowing Trump was not in a position to help him further. Keep believing Trump isn’t influenced by Russia, I loved Mitt Romneys comments on both Trump and Green, spot on.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Are you seriously questioning why we left leaning posters are focused on what Trump is doing? The GOP became the party of Trump, o when we are in the worst European conflict since WWII, ineverything he does and says appears to point to him running again, sstead of showing support for Ukraine, the US or the EU, he lavashes praise on Putin and criticizes everything nato is doing. Trump continues to give Putin wonderful state media clips to bolster his image.

Trump gave Putin just what he needed while in office, undermining nato, legitimizing Putin’s views of Ukraine and his goals, attempting to withhold funding, it’s an easy argument to win on why Putin waited until now, knowing Trump was not in a position to help him further. Keep believing Trump isn’t influenced by Russia, I loved Mitt Romneys comments on both Trump and Green, spot on.

"Are you seriously questioning why we left leaning posters are focused on what Trump is doing?"

No, I'm not questioning it (I'm well aware of Trump Derangement Syndrome), I'm poking fun at it.

"he lavashes praise on Putin"

Is saying "Putin is cunning" the same as saying "I hope Putin wins"? I keep hearing democrats say that republicans and trump are "siding with Putin".

It's fait to speculate about what Trump would have done. But it's all you guys are talking about, you spend almost no time discussing what Biden is doing, and one can assume it's because you know this is another policy failure for Biden and you can't bear discussing it.

I'm with you, I don't want Trump as potus.

[PaulS]

How come no word about the Turkish drones the UKR has? Wonder if they have been ineffective?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Are you seriously questioning why we left leaning posters are focused on what Trump is doing?"

No, I'm not questioning it (I'm well aware of Trump Derangement Syndrome), I'm poking fun at it.

"he lavashes praise on Putin"

Is saying "Putin is cunning" the same as saying "I hope Putin wins"? I keep hearing democrats say that republicans and trump are "siding with Putin".

It's fait to speculate about what Trump would have done. But it's all you guys are talking about, you spend almost no time discussing what Biden is doing, and one can assume it's because you know this is another policy failure for Biden and you can't bear discussing it.

I'm with you, I don't want Trump as potus.

Biden has been ramping up sanctions as has the EU, what would you have him do Jim, put boots on the ground in Ukraine? If anything I think both the US and the EU should have initiated sanctions earlier, although based on Russia's troop build up I think Putin wasn't stopping regardless.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Biden has been ramping up sanctions as has the EU, what would you have him do Jim, put boots on the ground in Ukraine? If anything I think both the US and the EU should have initiated sanctions earlier, although based on Russia's troop build up I think Putin wasn't stopping regardless.

another policy failure for Biden


Jims just towing the Party Line ..

Only trump supporters and Haters of the Radical Left would Blame a Sitting U.S President for the invasion of another country 4,800 miles away ... By another Super Power it defies Logic or critical thinking

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So you would really argue that the West would have produced this level of organized response if Trump was in office and belittling allies, praising Putin, & denigrating international institutions-after extorting Zelensky and falsely claiming Ukraine interfered against him?

Trump's so-called "belittling allies" was to a great extent pointing out that they needed a higher level of response to their own security. He did not see the need to spend so much of our resources to protect them if they did not do so themselves. We were spending tons of money and resources world-wide, Europe, Asia, the Middle East, south of our border, for our security and that of the rest of the world. Trump wanted others to pull some more of that weight. No doubt, that was not a popular message to those who would rather we ease their burden.

So now, Europe understands that he was right. Of course, they wouldn't put it that way.

And Trump's so-called praise of Putin was carefully diplomatic, as was his "praise of Xi and the "little rocket man." But he was also very tough on them. He was tougher on Putin than his predecessor was. He was attacking China's economy and putting pressure on NK.

[Pete F.]

Sure, tankie
I wonder if it occurs to Trump how useless he is becoming to Putin & his oligarchs now that there’s no more money flowing into USA to launder?
Given that no US, UK or EU bank is willing to lend to Trump Co, and Russia’s banks now appear off limits, that leaves only the Saudi’s to bail Trump out on the millions of loans coming due. Will they?
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[nightfighter]

PETE, THIS IS THE UKRAINE THREAD

Take your Trump hate and go elsewhere, or that thread.

The fact that Switzerland has broken with the past, and for the first time, frozen accounts, in line with EU sanctions is a huge development.

[Got Stripers]

Scary that now Putin is really in a bad position and the influx of supplies and troops seems to indicate a renewed commitment to take the capital city. I certainly hope all the new sanctions and arms aid help them hold Russia a bay long enough for the impact in Russia to start to make him think twice about going further.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Only Biden supporters and Haters of the Conservative Right would Blame a Former U.S President for the invasion of another country 4,800 miles away ... By another Super Power it defies Logic or critical thinking

Fixed it.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Scary that now Putin is really in a bad position and the influx of supplies and troops seems to indicate a renewed commitment to take the capital city. I certainly hope all the new sanctions and arms aid help them hold Russia a bay long enough for the impact in Russia to start to make him think twice about going further.

agreed 100%.

i just worry that Putin is crazy and capable of anything if he senses his back is against the wall.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

PETE, THIS IS THE UKRAINE THREAD

Take your Trump hate and go elsewhere, or that thread.

The fact that Switzerland has broken with the past, and for the first time, frozen accounts, in line with EU sanctions is a huge development.

Never in my lifetime would i think that the Swiss would do that. Bravo to them.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

PETE, THIS IS THE UKRAINE THREAD

Take your Trump hate and go elsewhere, or that thread.

The fact that Switzerland has broken with the past, and for the first time, frozen accounts, in line with EU sanctions is a huge development.

Pete is the CNN of S-B
Trump hate 24-7-365 and if you don’t agree with him you’re a Racist
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Never in my lifetime would i think that the Swiss would do that. Bravo to them.

and i’ve seen congressional republicans say confidently that the global sanctions will clobber russia

seems like sanctions never do what we hope they’ll do, usually they pulverize the innocent citizens and don’t effect the leaders much who are wealthy regardless. would be nice if these sanctions hurt Putin.

scary stuff.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How come no word about the Turkish drones the UKR has? Wonder if they have been ineffective?

Extremely effective. They need more of these than anything.

Originally Posted by nightfighter

PETE, THIS IS THE UKRAINE THREAD

Take your Trump hate and go elsewhere, or that thread.

The fact that Switzerland has broken with the past, and for the first time, frozen accounts, in line with EU sanctions is a huge development.

^^^^ This

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Scary that now Putin is really in a bad position and the influx of supplies and troops seems to indicate a renewed commitment to take the capital city. I certainly hope all the new sanctions and arms aid help them hold Russia a bay long enough for the impact in Russia to start to make him think twice about going further.

I hope he does not retaliate or escalate. There is still a ton of #^&#^&#^&#^& he can do. Make sure you keep your heating tanks and gas tanks full, and have some cash when the ATM's don't work.

And for all of the No Fly Zone talk, enforcing it starts WWIII

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Extremely effective. They need more of these than anything.








^^^^ This




I hope he does not retaliate or escalate. There is still a ton of #^&#^&#^&#^& he can do. Make sure you keep your heating tanks and gas tanks full, and have some cash when the ATM's don't work.

And for all of the No Fly Zone talk, enforcing it starts WWIII

Only an idiot would consider a no fly zone as helpful.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

PETE, THIS IS THE UKRAINE THREAD

Take your Trump hate and go elsewhere, or that thread.

The fact that Switzerland has broken with the past, and for the first time, frozen accounts, in line with EU sanctions is a huge development.

I don’t hate him, I see him for what he is and has always been.

You can watch the clips of him and his enablers being used by Russian State TV against Ukraine, great job

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/s...126618626?s=21
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and i’ve seen congressional republicans say confidently that the global sanctions will clobber russia

seems like sanctions never do what we hope they’ll do, usually they pulverize the innocent citizens and don’t effect the leaders much who are wealthy regardless. would be nice if these sanctions hurt Putin.

scary stuff.
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Unfortunately the only way the sanctions work is if they hit the Russian people, Putin owns the oligarchs, he gave them control of the means of production and has the upper hand. They can’t and won’t revolt.
When all the “peasants” are mad, no one can protect you.
A little Russian history would show you that.
Of course, if you think the Russians were better off with the Tsar’s benevolent rule…..you probably think Putin’s a good guy.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I hope he does not retaliate or escalate.

The way things are going today it looks like escalation is already underway. Maybe he just wants to extract a million pounds of flesh before declaring victory to the Russian people. Then he'll look for another target and wave his nukies in everyone's face for the next 20 years.

Did you see the video of the Ukrainian Ambassador reading the text from the soon to be dead Russian soldier? Pretty disturbing unless it was disinformation.

[wdmso]

CPAC 2022: US conservatives show little interest in Ukraine


Some of the top Republican officeholders in the party, like Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis, Texas Senator Ted Cruz and Florida Senator Rick Scott, didn't mention Ukraine at all in their speeches.

Why is That

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60559403

and Here's another ongoing Lie from Our friends on the right

Rep. Andrew Clyde to Newsmax: Biden's Energy Policy 'Took Away Club' Against Russia

"This goes back to Inauguration Day when President Biden specifically targeted his own personal war on the United States' oil and gas industry,

"If the United States had a robust energy policy where we could be net energy exporters, then we could take away that leverage that Russia has," Clyde continued. "Russia never would have invaded Ukraine if we would have had that robust energy policy in place, because we could have crushed them immediately."

Clyde said. "He's the leader of the free world and he's going to lead, but he's not doing that very well."


seem the world disagrees
Question for him and for those who believe him.. 1st All this in under a year ?

What active oil pumping well did he shut down on Inauguration Day?

Why has No Republican Asked any us oil producers to do their part and increase oil output


no they do this
Senators to President Biden: Why Are You Favoring OPEC Oil over American Oil?

Stating the administration continues to block new federal oil and gas leasing at home.

More BS from the Right
As of January 2021, nearly half (47.4 percent) of the oil and gas industry's public land leases are sitting idle. These idle leases cover 9.9 million acres of national public lands in the West.


November 2021, which is the last data set available, the US imported 254,162,000 barrels of oil. It consumes a stunning 17.2 million barrels per day, much more than the just over 3 million of Russia.

The vast majority is from Canada, 136,090,000, making up over 50 percent of all imports. From Russia, 17,855,000 barrels were imported,

Below is what we have imported from Russia yearly since 2015
But But Biden

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le..._NUS-NRS_1&f=A

2015 135,247 2016 161,286 2017 142,011 2018 137,010 2019 189,786 2020 197,720

[wdmso]

Russia is using controversial 'cluster munitions'

I did see some video a few days ago and said to myself that lots like A cluster Bomb

Fox has been showing Drone footage but with no commentary on whos it is Russian or Ukraine


And Much of the video of these attacked armor columns looks as if the had contact and the russians just opened the door and ran Off ?

not seeing many pictures of Dead or captured Russians after these engagements .. Just odd t me

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Only an idiot would consider a no fly zone as helpful.

Well, there are a LOT of idiots out there.

Originally Posted by spence

The way things are going today it looks like escalation is already underway. Maybe he just wants to extract a million pounds of flesh before declaring victory to the Russian people. Then he'll look for another target and wave his nukies in everyone's face for the next 20 years.

Yes, it's bad.

Originally Posted by spence

Did you see the video of the Ukrainian Ambassador reading the text from the soon to be dead Russian soldier? Pretty disturbing unless it was disinformation.

That image was rumored generated on 4chan, so an unwitting amplification of disinfo.

Originally Posted by wdmso

Russia is using controversial 'cluster munitions'

I did see some video a few days ago and said to myself that lots like A cluster Bomb

Fox has been showing Drone footage but with no commentary on whos it is Russian or Ukraine


And Much of the video of these attacked armor columns looks as if the had contact and the russians just opened the door and ran Off ?

not seeing many pictures of Dead or captured Russians after these engagements .. Just odd t me

Seeing a lot of dead russian units, not seeing much of ukraine. Also seeing some that are being claimed by both, and a lot of repurposed videos. Ukraine is certainly winning the public information war.

[Got Stripers]

40 mile covey coming I hope they received some more munitions they are goin* to need them.