Gun Legislation

[JohnR]

Hey All Y'all, let's have a discussion on what we can do for gun safety.

How about this and this to address problems with bad guys getting guns?

No, not far enough !! We need to remove the Automatic Climate Busting Weapons of Mass Assault Clips for people that haven't done anything wrong but are probably racists!!

But I am concerned that as a 2A supporter, with my rights being eroded and slowly infringed, because it is just one more step in a slow roll of steps.

Paraphrasing Wayne: "Don't be worried. No one is coming to take our guns that is just NRA Fear Mongering"

Actual Wayne:

Originally Posted by wdmso

Keep saying no to any gun changes and sooner or later it will be done for you....

After the shootings this week in Philly, lawmakers and pundits are saying this is another reason we need common sense gun reform.

Except existing laws did not prevent this guy that shot 6 cops from using firearms, selling narcotics, and doing a host of other things that were against the law.

Anyone want to take a guess if he went through the same background checks I did?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Hey All Y'all, let's have a discussion on what we can do for gun safety.

How about this and this to address problems with bad guys getting guns?

No, not far enough !! We need to remove the Automatic Climate Busting Weapons of Mass Assault Clips for people that haven't done anything wrong but are probably racists!!

But I am concerned that as a 2A supporter, with my rights being eroded and slowly infringed, because it is just one more step in a slow roll of steps.

Paraphrasing Wayne: "Don't be worried. No one is coming to take our guns that is just NRA Fear Mongering"

Actual Wayne:

After the shootings this week in Philly, lawmakers and pundits are saying this is another reason we need common sense gun reform.

Except existing laws did not prevent this guy that shot 6 cops from using firearms, selling narcotics, and doing a host of other things that were against the law.

Anyone want to take a guess if he went through the same background checks I did?

John its call gun regulations not confiscation.. only a true believer would associates my statment as evidence we want to take your guns...keep spreading the lie.. but climate change is a hoax Russia a hoax. But there coming to take our guns many on the right believe that..

The NRA policy of just saying No .. its not flying with a large subsection of Americans.. once the NRA can't keep paying or candidates see there views as counter productive to their elections... you'll look back and wish common sense gun owners had a seat at the table.. but you gambled on No. Carrying the day... so you'll get what you get...
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by wdmso

John its call gun regulations not confiscation.. only a true believer would associates my statment as evidence we want to take your guns...keep spreading the lie.. but climate change is a hoax Russia a hoax. But there coming to take our guns many on the right believe that..

The NRA policy of just saying No .. its not flying with a large subsection of Americans.. once the NRA can't keep paying or candidates see there views as counter productive to their elections... you'll look back and wish common sense gun owners had a seat at the table.. but you gambled on No. Carrying the day... so you'll get what you get...
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I guess we should hold our breath.🤡
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

John its call gun regulations not confiscation.. only a true believer would associates my statment as evidence we want to take your guns...keep spreading the lie.. but climate change is a hoax Russia a hoax. But there coming to take our guns many on the right believe that..

The NRA policy of just saying No .. its not flying with a large subsection of Americans.. once the NRA can't keep paying or candidates see there views as counter productive to their elections... you'll look back and wish common sense gun owners had a seat at the table.. but you gambled on No. Carrying the day... so you'll get what you get...
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I believe in the 1A and the 2A. I believe in good people. I believe we have won the lottery of birth being born in this country (particularly after living overseas for several years). And I believe this country is truly great and that the liberties (supposed) and the freedoms granted are sacrosanct. I believe their are good people and ideas from the left and the right. I believe in the fact that sensible people can hash things out and come to an agreement.

I also believe that the left is more willing to cut those items out to the detriment of our countries benefit. This is why I am no longer a moderate Dem.

Wayne - you really need to step outside your bubble. Many of your statements lean right up against confiscation, or rely on such a fine line it is hard to see daylight between your position and confiscation / eroding of rights. Everything you push WRT Gun Control is the same. You target a large group of law abiding people and further to reduce their right to self defense beyond where already eroded.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I believe in the 1A and the 2A. I believe in good people. I believe we have won the lottery of birth being born in this country (particularly after living overseas for several years). And I believe this country is truly great and that the liberties (supposed) and the freedoms granted are sacrosanct. I believe their are good people and ideas from the left and the right. I believe in the fact that sensible people can hash things out and come to an agreement.

I also believe that the left is more willing to cut those items out to the detriment of our countries benefit. This is why I am no longer a moderate Dem.

Wayne - you really need to step outside your bubble. Many of your statements lean right up against confiscation, or rely on such a fine line it is hard to see daylight between your position and confiscation / eroding of rights. Everything you push WRT Gun Control is the same. You target a large group of law abiding people and further to reduce their right to self defense beyond where already eroded.

30 years in Corrections 24 years in the Military bought and sold guns lived in mutiple states and a very diverse group of friends and acquaintance's. Thats a big bubble

Maybe you need to look beyound your bubble how any regulation always leads to confiscation as a argument against it 100% of the time

Not beliving people should not own Ak 47s and M-4 or an AR-15 or other assault rifles dosnt equal i support confiscation.. but with most conservatives it all or nothing ,

And the only party i have seen reducing the freedoms and choices of ordinary americans with vigor..are Republicans state and federal.. across America
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

30 years in Corrections 24 years in the Military bought and sold guns lived in mutiple states and a very diverse group of friends and acquaintance's. Thats a big bubble

Maybe you need to look beyound your bubble how any regulation always leads to confiscation as a argument against it 100% of the time

Not beliving people should not own Ak 47s and M-4 or an AR-15 or other assault rifles dosnt equal i support confiscation.. but with most conservatives it all or nothing ,

And the only party i have seen reducing the freedoms and choices of ordinary americans with vigor..are Republicans state and federal.. across America
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You are arguing for confiscation of certain types of guns, I suppose, because they are used to kill a lot of people. In actuality, the types of guns you say you are not interested in confiscating, on a daily basis, are used to kill lots more people than the guns you say should be confiscated.

One precedent leads to another. If the object is to save lives, than all guns should be banned from ownership. Before the mass shooting using high capacity guns started to happen, there were calls for the elimination of the right to own hand guns. I recall being able to search the net for articles, such as by the NYT that openly called for the elimination of the right to own guns. It's suspicious that I can't find those articles now on a web search.

[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

30 years in Corrections 24 years in the Military bought and sold guns lived in mutiple states and a very diverse group of friends and acquaintance's. Thats a big bubble

Typical pink panty wearing, pot smoking, FM radio freakshow of a snowflake.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

30 years in Corrections 24 years in the Military bought and sold guns lived in mutiple states and a very diverse group of friends and acquaintance's. Thats a big bubble

Maybe you need to look beyound your bubble how any regulation always leads to confiscation as a argument against it 100% of the time

Not beliving people should not own Ak 47s and M-4 or an AR-15 or other assault rifles dosnt equal i support confiscation.. but with most conservatives it all or nothing ,

And the only party i have seen reducing the freedoms and choices of ordinary americans with vigor..are Republicans state and federal.. across America
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Apologies - your thought bubble. Your thought bubble is always pretty hard left. I know you have time in the Mil and I did not know you are in corrections (not surprised and I am not saying that in a malicious demeanor).

I can't get a M4. The worst I have is the scary looking version of a Ruger Mini-14. And you understand the background checks I have to go through to get one. When you were in the service you saw kids that probably should not have had access to one and did anyway, (some learned, some were moved elsewhere). Other than a rare accident, nothing went wrong with them. My hope is we find a way to weed out the people that should not have access to them so they cannot have them.

Courts have ruled that our rights as an American to defend ourselves grant us the right to access appropriate tools to do that. You are proposing to remove a/k/a infringe on that.

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Originally Posted by JohnR

I can't get a M4. The worst I have is the scary looking version of a Ruger Mini-14.

For non-military purposes though they're pretty close to being the same weapon. I'll put you on the list.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I can't get a M4. The worst I have is the scary looking version of a Ruger Mini-14.

I always wanted the mini-30 for deer hunting. Funny isn't it? You order the wood stock version and it's a great little hunting rifle, you order the black "tactical" stock option and it's suddenly a scary military assault weapon.

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Not beliving people should not own Ak 47s and M-4 or an AR-15 or other assault rifles dosnt equal i support confiscation.. but with most conservatives it all or nothing ,

How do you make your belief "they should not own them" a reality?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by afterhours

How do you make your belief "they should not own them" a reality?

Stop selling them.. once that happens whats in the system already stays .. the prices will increase expediently. Weeding out the want a be's .(thats the face of a 2A supporter that most Americans see they have hijacked the narrtive to the point a regular gun owner has no voice...change open carry laws ( not sure how carrying an ak or a mini 14 fullbody armor and 6 full mags in the mall or burger king .was the laws intent.. those guns now are like gold not everyone has it but if you do it can be a good investment
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

( not sure how carrying an ak or a mini 14 fullbody armor and 6 full mags in the mall or burger king .was the laws intent..

It wasn't the intent. Burger King was intended to have the right to ban carrying them onto its property. The intent was to secure the right to own them.