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Old 10-23-2008, 11:20 AM   #31
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Please let me be the one to throw the rock that breaks the bubble your living in. If it hits you by accident very sorry but with free health care you have no worries

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Obama is a resume Christian... he joined Wright's church to establish a voting block in his district and he was probably amused by the hateful rantings that agreed with his world view...I'm guessing he subscribes more to the "religeon is the opiate of the masses" school... .

I've decided to vote Obama...

I run my own small business and have a wife and three kids...

if Obama is elected I wont have to pay for health insurance anymore...it will be free and outstanding....

I will be getting a tax cut along with 95% of everyone except the disgusting top 5%...hopefully it occurs faster than Clinton's middle-class tax cut....still waiting....

my 3 children are going to go to college for free if Obama is elected so I can stop saving for that future expense.....

Obama will have Bill Ayers improve the public schools so that I can stop paying for my kids to go to private school...I will save a bundle there...

I expect to get a check for retroactive reimbursement for universal daycare and pre-K....retroactive to when Obama first proposed it 20 months ago....in a country as rich as America noone should have to pay for the care of their own children......

Obama will save and increase Social Security along with saving the world so I no longer need to save for my retirement....

I'm cutting back my hours from 7 days a week for countless years now to 4 days a week like they do in France...I can use the other three days to go to my State Capitol or Washington to protest and picket the government over my dissatisfaction of promised government services...like they do in Europe

I'm reducing my income to just enough to pay my mortgage and I might even stop paying that to see if the government will bail me out....noone should lose their house...

reducing my income should make me eligible for all kinds of government subsidies...food stamps-my kids should be eating right....fuel oil and electricity bill assistance....I'm sure there's much more to be found once I figure out the "SYSTEM"

I want Obama to raise the death tax to 99%...noone should be allowed to accumulate wealth while there are some people that have none...the 1% that you get to keep is for burial expenses...Adios

VOTE OBAMA...SUPPORT THE NEW AMERICAN DREAM !!!!
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I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm...I hope

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[QUOTE=Flaptail;631389]Seperation of church and state, isn't that called for in our constitution?

Really? can you show me exactly where this is stated in the Constitution? ...just wondering....
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Seperation of church and state, isn't that called for in our constitution?

Really? can you show me exactly where this is stated in the Constitution? ...just wondering....
From Wikipedia (I know, but I dont have time to dig up a 'real' source)

So if it isn't in the consitution, it doesn't matter???
I agree Flap, while the 'Religious Right Moonbats' have a scary amount of increasing influence, if we ever get to that point, it will be a scary scary world. Like stepping back 50 years....


"Separation of church and state is a political and legal doctrine that government and religious institutions are to be kept separate and independent from each other.The term most often refers to the combination of two principles: secularity of government and freedom of religious exercise

The phrase separation of church and state is generally traced to the letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 to the Danbury Baptists, in which he referred to the First Amendment to the United States Constitution as creating a "wall of separation" between church and state. The phrase was then quoted by the United States Supreme Court first in 1878, and then in a series of cases starting in 1948. This led to increased popular and political discussion of the concept."

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ScottW....you think Obama is going to cut taxes??? In this economy???!!! yourself if you think otherwise!

he said he is .....95%....why shouldn't I believe him, he's the messiah, I saw the little maoist children singing in the you tube video about how he's going to CHANGE the world....this guy is amazing...just ask him....or Biden if you can locate him.....I'm just falling in line with the rest of the head nodders that think a bigger government, higher taxation and wealth distribution can cure all of society's ills...Socialism is the wave of the future, look around the world....Socialism is on the march....South and Central America...Europe is always leaning Marxist, Russia wants to relive the glory days...Chavez is eyeing Cuba.....get on board baby....you've heard Obama rave over China's "PROGRESS"(forgetting that half of their population is starving) ....just look Europe, it's an economic powerhouse on a par with...well...Rhode Island....although....I think just about any place in Europe would happily trade unemployment rates with RI (highest in the nation)... I haven't seen anything in the mainstream media that would indicate to me that this guy wouldn't be our greatest president in history, MY LEG IS TINGLING.....HE'S THE ONE !!!!!
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From Wikipedia (I know, but I dont have time to dig up a 'real' source)

"THE REAL SOURCE"...LIKE THE ACTUAL CONSTITUTION???? HAAAAA


not good enough I'm afraid...not in the Constitution

In 1801 the Danbury Baptist Association of Danbury Connecticut had heard a rumor that the Congregationalist Denomination was about to become the established religion of the United States. Being concerned, as they should be, they wrote a letter to then President Thomas Jefferson on October 7th 1801.

On January 1st, 1802 Jefferson replied in a letter, which contained the following statement:

“American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and State”.

This letter is where the misrepresented idea of separation of church came from.

1811 – People vs. Ruggles

The Supreme Court Stated:

“Whatever strikes at the root of Christianity tends to manifestly to the dissolution of civil government.”

In 1853 a group filed a suit that actually wanted “Separation of Church and State”. The Case never made it to the Supreme Court.

On March 27, 1854 The House Judiciary Committee Stated:

“Had the people during the revolution had any suspicion of any attempt to war against Christianity, the revolution would have been strangled in its cradle.”

The Committee Continued…

“At the time of the adoption of the constitution and the amendments, the universal sentiment was the Christianity should be encouraged, but not any one sect.”

Also, it stated…

“In this age, there can be no substitute for Christianity. That was the religion of the founders of the Republic and they expected it to remain the religion of their descendants.”

Furthermore…

“The great vital and conservative element of our system is the belief of our people in the pure doctrines and the divine truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.” 1878 – Reynolds vs. United States

*****In this case the Supreme Court used Thomas Jefferson’s letter in its entirety. The letter was actually used to ensure Christian principals were kept in government.

this is fun....
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Bush & Paulson are socializing the banking industry as we speak....(I know, here we go again with the Bush bashing)...or rather he has masked nepotism under the guise of socialism i.e. taxpayer dollars to CEO fraternity brethren.
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m*****f***** Bush, only Bush I like are the trimmed ones I'm throwing dollars at in King Arthurs!!!
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Seperation of church and state, isn't that called for in our constitution?

The Christian fundamentalist movement is a business, a money making machine, Creflo Dollar (I just luv that name) preaches that through his ministry and being born again it wil bring your prosperity thriough Christ in the form of spiritual healing and manifest itself into personal wealth meaning money and material things. It sure has worked for him, he lives in a multi million dollar home(s) and drives a couple Rolls-Royces, 1000 dollar suits and 12000 dollar watches.

Praise Jesus Y'all!!!!!'

If this country, as Jerry Falwell wanted is someday under the control of Born again Christian Fundamentalists then kiss free thought goodbye, kiss privacy and free speech goodbye,
If that happens I ahope I am either dead or able to leave, in sadness, what was once this great nation.

Christian fundamentalist takeover of the goverment is equal to what Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaida wnat for Saudi Arabia, Afgahnistan and other middle east countries.

The bible, though it has some good lessons on a few things is for the most part a fable, deived from some ancient text and perverted into what ever was needed and however it could be said to control large parts of a mostly uneducated population in the middle ages and since it worked then is still mostly unchanged since.

Feed then to the lions while it is not to late.

I know God, and this isn't the way he planned it.
what does this have to do with the topic?
Again, I am not religious, but see how quickly a lefty (sorry flap) lashes out at religion? Its free thought as long as you agree with me.
"independent thought in based on scinece fact rather than religious science fiction"
see how you dismiss other peoples views as science fiction? So who is really the threat to free thinking? Fundamentalists or Liberals?

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“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
–Norman Thomas in 1969, former U.S. Socialist Party Presidential Candidate
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what does this have to do with the topic?
This whole thread is about letting Religion dictate who you vote for......

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“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
–Norman Thomas in 1969, former U.S. Socialist Party Presidential Candidate
Or rather as Bush has put it "to save the free market" and "ease the credit freeze".
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you are assuming that religeon dictates who people vote for and that's quite a leap....if you are Catholic, Jew, Black Liberation Theologist, Tree Worshiper and you vote the right way...OBAMA....everything is cool...but if you vote the wrong way...NOT OBAMA...then you are a religeous zealot and you only vote the way that your religeous leaders tell you to and probably based on abortion....oh, and you are a RACIST...huh?

Catholics and Jews are probably split pretty evenly between candidates, in fact Obama was leading among Catholics according to a poll yesterday(need to run some more infanticide commercials)...Obama has locked up the BLT's the Tree Worshipers and the Radical Muslims as well....oh, and the God/Jesus Deniers.....
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m*****f***** Bush, only Bush I like are the trimmed ones I'm throwing dollars at in King Arthurs!!!
......is that hellhole still open???
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you are assuming that religeon dictates who people vote for and that's quite a leap.....
What Leap??? This is exactly what was posted in the 1st post of the thread.

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Why a Christian Can Not Vote for Obama

The below was written by Huntley Brown and I agree with many parts (but not all) of his point of view.......and yes Spence I am affected by some subjects I read especially in the religious realm..

Huntley Brown is a fabulous concert pianist, man of God and is a black man.



Why I Can't Vote For Obama

By Huntley Brown

Dear Friends,

First I must say whoever wins the election will have my prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.

Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness.

I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can't dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.

I can't vote black because I am black, I have to vote Christian because that's who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.
I'm pretty sure the whole basis of this post...and Thread is about basing your decision on your religious beliefs.

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Obama probably wont need your vote, blacks are coming out in record numbers. In Tennessee's Shelby county where voting has already begun, there predicting 85% voter turnout among the brothers. What will we do now, the little people are actually participating in the political process and Bush used all the wild cards in 2000.
Yeah, and some of them are voting 2, 3, 4 even 5 times through the "ACORN" program.
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......is that hellhole still open???
We have a winner!!!!!!

Yea, that place is still open, metal detectors and all. Only if the bouncers knew those chumps just keep the hammers in their cars, they dont fight anymore and god forbid you step on someone's $180 pair of shoes. That place is like the wild wild west. Some of the girls arent bad though ......not that I would know, my russian just ain't that good.
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Yeah, and some of them are voting 2, 3, 4 even 5 times through the "ACORN" program.
They are making up for it from the 2000 election.
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What Leap??? This is exactly what was posted in the 1st post of the thread.
I'm pretty sure the whole basis of this post...and Thread is about basing your decision on your religious beliefs.
That and exit poll data in 2004 that showed more people voted for GWB b/c of 'Moral Issues', (specifically abortion and gay marriage) then for terrorism, war in Iraq etc...
If it dictates it at all, it is too much!

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this has ZERO to do with the separation of church and state,,,,, ZERO.
this is about people voting based on their religious views. Are any of you implying thats wrong?

A religion has laws and beliefs its FOLLOWERS (hence the term) believe in. Most believe religion is driven by a higher power. If people truly beleive this and believe they are guided by a higher power and the laws that come from this power, I feel they are obligated to make decisions based on that. I dont agree with that, but I dont hold that against people.

Like it or not - this country was founded by those wanting to live by their religious freedom. I cant fault people who vote based on their religious beliefs.

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Nothing wrong with following your religious beliefs when you vote, if thats what you want to do then thats your perogative....Its when those who are elected use their religious beliefs to dictate policy...Thats the issue that is scary

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Nail on the head TDF.
Nail on the head.

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Nothing wrong with following your religious beliefs when you vote, if thats what you want to do then thats your perogative....Its when those who are elected use their religious beliefs to dictate policy...Thats the issue that is scary
I think I agree in principle, but thats very hard to discern. For example, Obama wants health care for all. you can easily tie that back to his Christian beliefs in helping others. So, do we say he is violating the separation of church and state since his beliefs are dictating policy? Just a thought.

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I think helping others is a basic human belief that we all should have...at least thats how I feel....and thats for people who truly need it...not the people that are to lazy to help themselves (Just in case, so I don't have to throw that Scarlett "L" on my chest again)

and everything is open to interpretation.

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That and exit poll data in 2004 that showed more people voted for GWB b/c of 'Moral Issues', (specifically abortion and gay marriage) then for terrorism, war in Iraq etc...
If it dictates it at all, it is too much!
that's great...you have the 2004 exit polls right at your disposal but can't locate the 1st Ammendment to the Constitution haaaa
let me help you:
Congress shall make no Law respecting and establishment of Religeon or Prohibiting the free exercise thereof....

I think Obamaism is clearly a religeon that the socialist/marxist left would like to establish through the Congress and a clear affront to our Constitution and it's First Ammendment

I hate it when people get involved or vote in "Moral Issues", there's way too much morality around these days....
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Nothing wrong with following your religious beliefs when you vote, if thats what you want to do then thats your perogative....Its when those who are elected use their religious beliefs to dictate policy...Thats the issue that is scary
So true..

For those against gay marriage- Dont marry your gay lover... Same goes for abortion.. against it... then don't have one. But don't tell other people how to run their lives.
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