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11-20-2019, 02:26 PM
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When you finally pull your head out of the sand you will catch up.🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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You can answer if you know.
What is over?
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11-20-2019, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
You can answer if you know.
What is over?
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In my opinion any question of if Trump orchestrated this plot to get Ukraine to begin the investigations into 2016, Barisma and the Bidens has been proven in the affirmative. Even if you don’t agree and no need to spell it out, what is definitely over is the question of if Trump will be impeached in the house, it will happen. Moscow Mitch will have his trial and Trump can wear his badge of shame to all his 2020 rallies and rail on how he is persecuted.
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11-20-2019, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
But that’s when Sondland asked the question of what Trump
wanted.
See Pete, the way human conversations work is, someone asks you a question, and then you answer it. It’s not easy to answer a question before it’s asked, even if that would be politically preferable.
So to you, the fact that Trump didn’t answer the question until
it was asked, is evidence of guilt. Trump should have preemptively told him that he didn’t want anything.
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See Jim, the way conspiracies work is the boss gets the people who work for him to do the dirty work, they never know all the parts of the conspiracy and the boss knows it all. It does make it harder to investigate, but it can and has been done under RICO many times.
That's why the hearsay rules for a conspiracy differ from typical.
Obstructing the investigation by withholding testimony and documents will make it harder to obtain the truth.
Has the WH let anyone testify?
Has the WH released any of the subpoenaed documentation?
Did Zelensky go to the White House already?
Was the money released before the White House learned of the whistleblower?
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11-20-2019, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
In my opinion any question of if Trump orchestrated this plot to get Ukraine to begin the investigations into 2016, Barisma and the Bidens has been proven in the affirmative. Even if you don’t agree and no need to spell it out, what is definitely over is the question of if Trump will be impeached in the house, it will happen. Moscow Mitch will have his trial and Trump can wear his badge of shame to all his 2020 rallies and rail on how he is persecuted.
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So the question is over in your mind? Thank You and good luck.👍🏽
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11-20-2019, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
See Jim, the way conspiracies work is the boss gets the people who work for him to do the dirty work, they never know all the parts of the conspiracy and the boss knows it all. It does make it harder to investigate, but it can and has been done under RICO many times.
That's why the hearsay rules for a conspiracy differ from typical.
Obstructing the investigation by withholding testimony and documents will make it harder to obtain the truth.
Has the WH let anyone testify?
Has the WH released any of the subpoenaed documentation?
Did Zelensky go to the White House already?
Was the money released before the White House learned of the whistleblower?
Did Ukraine's new government get all the Trump and Pence meetings it was first promised?
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I heard they were going to let the whistleblower testify
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11-20-2019, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
I heard they were going to let the whistleblower testify
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Why not the Intelligence IG then to explain why he did not follow the law and provide the whistleblowers complaint that was deemed urgent and credible on to Congress as it should have been?
The Whistleblower BS is like calling 911 to report you heard of a crime and never having the Police investigate.
You want to blame the guy who called 911 for the failure to investigate or find out why nothing happened with the call.
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11-20-2019, 04:45 PM
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So the question is over in your mind? Thank You and good luck.👍🏽
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Yes and I think Trump is the one needing the luck.
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11-20-2019, 04:56 PM
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maybe they will find something impeachable next week  |
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11-20-2019, 05:03 PM
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11-20-2019, 05:52 PM
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Why didnt nunes investigate hunter biden when he was in the majority of the intel committee? If it was so urgent
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11-20-2019, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
"We now know that the president in fact committed the crime of bribery...
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what you very conveniently left from this quote, is that Starr was speculating what Schiff was thinking. How deceptive is that? One needn’t resort to that dishonesty, when one has the facts on their side.
Starr also said it was “shocking” that Saldmans opening statement didn’t include the fact that he heard Trump say he didn’t want a quod pro Quo.
cherry picking and slight of hand. it’s all you got.
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11-20-2019, 06:10 PM
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pretty sure pete just committed a crime
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11-20-2019, 06:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT
what you very conveniently left from this quote, is that Starr was speculating what Schiff was thinking. How deceptive is that? One needn’t resort to that dishonesty, when one has the facts on their side.
Starr also said it was “shocking” that Saldmans opening statement didn’t include the fact that he heard Trump say he didn’t want a quod pro Quo.
cherry picking and slight of hand. it’s all you got.
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Cherrypicking and slight of hand is all Nunes, Castor, Jordan and Ratcliffe did today.
You’re just easily led
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11-20-2019, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Cherrypicking and slight of hand is all Nunes, Castor, Jordan and Ratcliffe did today.
You’re just easily led
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you lied blatantly about what Starr said. true or false?
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11-20-2019, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
you lied blatantly about what Starr said. true or false?
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Poor boy
Both direct and circumstantial evidence can be given equal weight in a court of law.
If you get up in the morning and there’s snow on the ground is that evidence that it snowed?
Is it fake news?
Do you think Sondland is stupid and can’t figure out what is wanted, who wants it and why they want it?
Apparently some people are
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11-20-2019, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Poor boy
Both direct and circumstantial evidence can be given equal weight in a court of law.
If you get up in the morning and there’s snow on the ground is that evidence that it snowed?
Is it fake news?
Do you think Sondland is stupid and can’t figure out what is wanted, who wants it and why they want it?
Apparently some people are
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any chance you can answer the question? were you dishonest about starr’s comment, or
not?
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11-20-2019, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
any chance you can answer the question? were you dishonest about starr’s comment, or
not?
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pete, i’ll give you this...if i had to bet, i’d bet that trump
ordered the quid pro quo. but i can’t come close to proving it, nor do i think it’s a high crime or
misdemeanor for a
president to use any leverage at his disposal, to get a foreign
power to get to the truth about what americans, even democrats, are doing abroad.
but we need to be willing to present facts honestly, let americans
decide, and live with the decision. the gop got absolutely annihilated in 2008. The RNC didn’t resort to
anarchy, they formed the tea party which appealed
to huge numbers of voters, and which catapulted them
to a huge comeback until
2018. The DNC is responding to
Trump by nominating the most unpopular candidates imaginable.
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11-20-2019, 07:22 PM
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Jim
The Starr thing was Faux’s headline whenever I posted it
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11-20-2019, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
pete, i’ll give you this...if i had to bet, i’d bet that trump
ordered the quid pro quo. but i can’t come close to proving it, nor do i think it’s a high crime or
misdemeanor for a
president to use any leverage at his disposal, to get a foreign
power to get to the truth about what americans, even democrats, are doing abroad.
but we need to be willing to present facts honestly, let americans
decide, and live with the decision. the gop got absolutely annihilated in 2008. The RNC didn’t resort to
anarchy, they formed the tea party which appealed
to huge numbers of voters, and which catapulted them
to a huge comeback until
2018. The DNC is responding to
Trump by nominating the most unpopular candidates imaginable.
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It will move to the center always does
This is worth reading
I’ve been saying this for years
https://morningconsult.com/opinions/...trump-dilemma/
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11-20-2019, 08:55 PM
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Cooper said that since she testified in private, her staff has brought to her attention emails and other information that show Ukraine was inquiring about the suspended aid on July 25, the same day as the Trump-Zelensky call.
This is a month earlier than previously thought
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11-20-2019, 09:24 PM
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Sondland said very explicitly under oath, that Trump said to him directly, that he wanted no quid pro quo.
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Yes he did Jim.
Wow who uses quid pro quo. Stating they didnt want one. In sentence.. no less a phone call unless he has knowledge thats the word on the Street . Or they knew what was in the whistleblower report.. and tried to get a head of it
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11-20-2019, 10:15 PM
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Yes he did Jim.
Wow who uses quid pro quo. Stating they didnt want one. In sentence.. no less a phone call unless he has knowledge thats the word on the Street . Or they knew what was in the whistleblower report.. and tried to get a head of it
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gibberish again...
so if one truly didn’t engage in quid pro quo, but they are accused of it... how in your mind can they deny it, without appearing guilty.
And trump want trying to get sued if it. this guy picked that time to ask trump what he wanted, trump answered. do you answer questions days before they are asked? or when they are asked?
it’s nit trumps fault or doing, that your witness picked that moment to ask trump what he wanted from ukraine.
Gibberish. If trump
confesses he’s guilty, if he proclaims his innocence he’s guilty. Your side did the same thing with Kavanaugh.
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11-20-2019, 10:43 PM
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Yes and I think Trump is the one needing the luck.
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Trump will certainly be your next president.
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11-21-2019, 07:10 AM
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Trump wanted dirty help for his 2020 reelection campaign. He sent messages demanding that dirty help to the Ukrainians directly on the phone and via his henchmen. He stalled military aid to extort the help. The Ukrainians nearly surrendered, until the whistle-blower report reached Congress on September 9 and knocked loose the aid on September 11.
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11-21-2019, 07:11 AM
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I wouldn’t spend that bet money yet, wearing the badge of shame as one of only a few presidents to be impeached is likely to move a lot of undecided to the other side. We also know from experience that once the campaign really gets going after Moscow Mitch holds his fake trial, Trump will show America they haven’t even seen real nasty yet.
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11-21-2019, 07:28 AM
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Who is your favorite candidate at this point?
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11-21-2019, 07:50 AM
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I really like mayor Pete, but he can’t possibly win the nomination without the support of the black community. I hope Warren can’t win and I’d be surprised if she can maintain her momentum. Biden still seems to be the most likely candidate, but we have a long way to go, to answer your question; it’s too early for me to pick my horse.
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11-21-2019, 07:59 AM
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I really like mayor Pete, but he can’t possibly win the nomination without the support of the black community. I hope Warren can’t win and I’d be surprised if she can maintain her momentum. Biden still seems to be the most likely candidate, but we have a long way to go, to answer your question; it’s too early for me to pick my horse.
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you nailed that. pete definitely can’t win the general without massive black support, and it wont be easy.
very early days.
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