EPA my arse!

[Got Stripers]

Second longest heat wave on the east coast in history, record heat and out of control wild fires out west for the second year in a row, but hey there isn't any global warming going on......fake news......nothing to see there.

We move out one #^&#^&#^&#^& head who has no interest in protecting the environment, but he had an interest in milking the system and now DJT (big believer in global warming and protecting the environment) is going to move in another who is likely to be worse than Pruitt was; but he will get those coal miners cranking again.

[spence]

Don't you know this is what winning looks like?

[PaulS]

You're wrong. It has to be colder than average somewhere.

[Nebe]

Greed often squashes common sense when you equate profits to success.
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[Got Stripers]

Trump will be THE GREATEST at doing the most harm to the environment by any recent admission, now it’s rolling back emission control and efforts dating back to Ronald Reagan to put cleaner and more efficient vehicles on the road.
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[paradoxjim]

Yet, collectively, we the people voted this administratin in. Listening to the House and Senate reps seeking re-election by riding the royal highness'' coattails, it's really nauseating.

[wdmso]

I love reducing milage standards will help make safer cars... only a true trumpanzee would think that was true ...

I forgot engineering and physics are based on science ...

[Got Stripers]

Normal number of 90 degree days is 13, this year will blow that away, but our POTUS I’m sure still doesn’t buy into the global warming “hoax”. Hey he is the smartest president of all time, just has him if England changed their name to the UK😂. Florida is experiencing massive wildlife deaths due to record red tide, the west is ablaze and we are looking at yet another stretch of brutal heat, lets throw some more fuel on the fire Donald.
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[scottw]

it's the end of times....

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Normal number of 90 degree days is 13, this year will blow that away, but our POTUS I’m sure still doesn’t buy into the global warming “hoax”. Hey he is the smartest president of all time, just has him if England changed their name to the UK😂. Florida is experiencing massive wildlife deaths due to record red tide, the west is ablaze and we are looking at yet another stretch of brutal heat, lets throw some more fuel on the fire Donald.
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Think about it.....Mahi from the yak😮
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[Got Stripers]

Funny stuff and I’m sure your grandkids and their children will enjoy the weather. Better stock up on the 50 block. I used to enjoy a few warm summer days, but these long stretches are brutal.
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[Sea Dangles]

This way I will never move to Florida
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[wdmso]

The Trump administration has overturned bans on the use of pesticides linked to declining bee populations and the cultivation of genetically modified crops in US national wildlife refuges.


The policy is the latest in a series of Obama administration environmental restrictions to be reversed by the government of President Donald Trump, who campaigned on a platform of rolling back government regulations on business.

regardless of the effects on the environment or the People if it has Obama name on it its got to go .. what a way to make policy

[spence]

What should be of paramount concern to people is that the EPA, Department of the Interior etc... appear to be making significant policy decisions based entirely on special interests and not on any research or science.

Same goes for the "voter fraud" commission Trump formed that was disbanded when they found no voter fraud yet was set to announced findings of rampant fraud without any evidence according to one of it's members.

It's completely corrupt.

[wdmso]

At a pier in San Diego, researchers on Wednesday recorded the warmest sea surface temperature since record-keeping began there in 1916.


Only 2012 and 2016 were warmer than 2017, according a new report from NOAA. The five hottest years on record in the country have been in the last decade, based on 123 years of record-keeping.


I forgot there is no man made climate change more fake news

[scottw]

too much pavement

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

too much pavement

I have often wondered why they cant or wont make asphalt lighter in color guess i found my answer


https://www.dailynews.com/2017/05/20...n-canoga-park/

Cool pavement’ to cut urban street heat gets first California tryout in Canoga Park

The morning temperature of the black asphalt in the middle of a nearby intersection read 93 degrees. The new light gray surface on Jordan Avenue read a cool 70 — on what would turn out to be the first heat wave of the year.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I have often wondered why they cant or wont make asphalt lighter in color guess i found my answer


https://www.dailynews.com/2017/05/20...n-canoga-park/

Cool pavement’ to cut urban street heat gets first California tryout in Canoga Park

The morning temperature of the black asphalt in the middle of a nearby intersection read 93 degrees. The new light gray surface on Jordan Avenue r ead a cool 70 — on what would turn out to be the first heat wave of the year.

States have their own EPA's. They don't have to wait for, nor depend on, the federal government to "protect" their environment.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I have often wondered why they cant or wont make asphalt lighter in color guess i found my answer

I read a little about too...the benefits seem to outweigh the costs and it's essentially coating asphalt with plastic...probably find out it causes cancer and put everyone out of business and I'd like to ban plastics...

[Got Stripers]

Hey how important can protecting the environment be, I think battling sports stars is a more important goal for our commander and cheif.
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[Got Stripers]

Term limits!
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[RIROCKHOUND]

There are many issues that transcend state borders, fish migrations for instance are coastwide, not local for many species. Rhode Island or Massachusetts can not make or enforce rules on MD to limit impacts to Striped Bass, even if it impacts recreational and commercial fishermen in their state.

Similarly, air pollution or water pollution is often not a local issue, see the Mercury issues from the Midwest traveling east or downstream impacts on rivers. The CT River starts in northernmost New England, with a watershed that ticks into Canada. Connecticut cannot make rules on Vermont or New Hampshire. Some issues are federal and need federal agencies to deal with it. That damn liberal commie hippy Nixon even knew that much....
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Some issues are federal and need federal agencies to deal with it when the people that I like and agree with are in power....

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fixed it

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

fixed it

Ok so what environmental protection steps have “your” people taken during this first year and I guess my follow up is; shouldn’t both parties be concerned about what the science community is convinced is happening or is that also fake news?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Ok so what environmental protection steps have “your” people taken during this first year
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I don't have "people"...I hate everyone



do you need a bunch of "protection steps" during this year or that year to confirm that something is always being done by your government....do you need constant legislation, edicts and proclamations from your government to let you know that they are "DOING SOMETHING"

great story on our local news this morning....guess someone was wondering why the RI State fleet of green cars....rows and rows of them are sitting in the State lot and NEVER driven......guess they are super green if they never move

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

There are many issues that transcend state borders, fish migrations for instance are coastwide, not local for many species. Rhode Island or Massachusetts can not make or enforce rules on MD to limit impacts to Striped Bass, even if it impacts recreational and commercial fishermen in their state.

All issues eventually center around people, whether it is individual to individual, state to state, or federal government vis a vis all the people. Self governing people reasonably come to mutually satisfying agreements. Federal "people" forcing people of one state to please the people of another state weakens, even partially destroys, the element of self governance so essential to our republic.

Representatives from MA and RI can reasonably come to a mutual agreement on the impacts of their rules on Striped Bass. By discussing and negotiating, they may even discover impacts that neither, on their own, would have realized. That is, essentially, a democratic solution, rather than the dictatorial decree of some distant unelected central power. But, as do all modern authoritarian, socialistic countries which have instituted the vote and elections, we use the label "democracy," or "our democracy," as a cover for dictatorial regulations such as our federal agencies create.


Similarly, air pollution or water pollution is often not a local issue, see the Mercury issues from the Midwest traveling east or downstream impacts on rivers. The CT River starts in northernmost New England, with a watershed that ticks into Canada. Connecticut cannot make rules on Vermont or New Hampshire.

Issues of water ways downstream rights have long been understood in English Common Law and in the laws of nations derived from the British Empire to comport with Riparian Water Rights. Pollution of water ways that continue into other jurisdictions can be sued in the Courts.

Some issues are federal and need federal agencies to deal with it. That damn liberal commie hippy Nixon even knew that much....
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Nixon was to a great degree a Progressive in terms of federal power. Progressive notion of an all powerful central government is well served by unelected regulatory federal agencies with plenary power.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Progressive notion of an all powerful central government is well served by unelected regulatory federal agencies with plenary power.

Luckily for you, the appointments are made by elected officials who are accountable/vulnerable to the electorate. Progressives have no interest in an all powerful central government, that is Trump's fantasy. He just wants to be sure that power lies with him.
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[PRBuzz]

Winter IS Coming!

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Luckily for you, the appointments are made by elected officials who are accountable/vulnerable to the electorate.

Can you name any of the appointed regulators? Do you know when they were appointed? Do you know who appointed them? Do you know who to hold accountable for their appointment? Do you know, or are aware of, the thousands of regulations the appointees make every year. Do you know how many federal regulatory agencies there are and what are all the different things they regulate? Most of us can't answer any of those questions.

Most of the hundreds of agencies were created some time in the past, and most of the present Congress people cannot personally be held accountable for their creation.

For the most part, to the public at large the regulators are anonymous. Within their agencies, they have legislative, executive, and judicial power--the three powers combined into one--can't get more all-powerful or unlimited than that.

Progressives have no interest in an all powerful central government, that is Trump's fantasy. He just wants to be sure that power lies with him.
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The Progressive founders, in their own recorded words, do not use the phrase "all powerful" in respect to their concept of government's power. Instead, they used words such as "limited," stating that government should not be limited. I suppose there is some kind of difference between government not being limited and government being "all powerful."

And Trump is using a piece of that power to act progressively against what the Constitution would not have allowed. Most Presidents, if not all, after Coolidge, have acted in various degrees, progressively. Trump is no different than the others in wanting their portion of progressive power.

It would be fun and informative to have a discussion on Progressive politics, its history, its presence in todays "liberalism." What is your definition or conception of Progressive political theory?