I hate your kids!!

[JohnnyD]

Lost 2 preemies... that explains why they don't discipline their children and refuse to go anywhere without them. I'm not saying it's an excuse for being inconsiderate and to allow your kids to piss everyone off, but it does explain why. Unfortunately, their past experiences will probably result in them raising entitled little brats.

[Sea Dangles]

I have a good friend who took the approach of limited discipline for the 2 children who are in the same grade as my oldest 2.Father is a pediatrician,mom is stay at home who reads parenting books.Those to kids are now teens and are certainly kids that anybody would be proud of. Another example of there being more than one way to skin a cat.I have always taken a more proactive and heavyhanded approach to discipline with my kids.Teachers,parents etc. always commenting how well-mannered and polite my children are. Unfortunately I have some regrets regarding parenting like most of us.If my kids were disruptive at a restaurant(they would never dare) I would simply cease taking them out to eat.As for fishing;when I go out on the boat and my buddy wants his kid to join us, I say this is a Dad trip.End of story.

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Lost 2 preemies... that explains why they don't discipline their children and refuse to go anywhere without them. I'm not saying it's an excuse for being inconsiderate and to allow your kids to piss everyone off, but it does explain why. Unfortunately, their past experiences will probably result in them raising entitled little brats.

My sister-in-law lost one, Sarah, to SIDS 22 years ago and the girl she had after that was brought up no different than the other children. With all due respect to thier college degrees and everything else they possess I think they are lazy people who can't be bother to spend the quality time with the two kids teaching the the rules. I am surprised that they haven't been asked to leave a restaurant.

Reading ahead of my post Specialist mentioned children who were challenged intellectually, these kids weren't though right? My opinon would be substantially different if that were so.

That being said, several years ago Bev and I would eat in a restaurant in E.B. many mornings out of the week. Another couple would come in many of those same mornings. They had a son whose name was Timmy. The help and everyone else nicknamed him talking Timmy. This kid never shut up. After his parents stopped replying to his incessant chatter and questions he would wander, was allowed to by parents, from table to table annoying the chit out of everyone. One fo the customers was a little old lady, cranky at times, retired old school, school teacher. After several months the retired teacher went over to the parents and spoke to them. No one ever found out what she said. The kid never bothered anyone after that. Never did thank the woman.

[TheSpecialist]

We all know it's not easy being a parent. When you tell them it is an adult night out no kids, they will get the hint. If they can't find a sitter they won't come. Maybe you could screen a couple of sitters yourself, alot of times it's hard to find a sitter if you run in limited circles. We had that problem, but have since solved it and now have 3 or 4 sitters we can rely on.

I know where you are coming from as one of my friends has a some who is challenged. He is similar to Downs, he lives at a school and comes home for holidays and stuff. When there is a party or cookout and he is there everyone is walking on eggshells, none is having any fun. The other kids are close in age and they all play together and no one has to worry, until he gets there. He is alot older, and lately has been pulling some crap with younger one but no one wants to step up and tell her they fear for their own kids safety, but it has to be done sometimes.

[bart]

PaulS- you're a good dude. That must've been tough when you barely knew the guy.

Regarding parents and disruptive children, some people are just completely oblivious to how their kids' behavior affects others...

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Lost 2 preemies... that explains why they don't discipline their children and refuse to go anywhere without them. I'm not saying it's an excuse for being inconsiderate and to allow your kids to piss everyone off, but it does explain why. Unfortunately, their past experiences will probably result in them raising entitled little brats.

I am not sure that it explains it. Some people just can't say no, or they have different expectations for their kids. We have good friends with kids the same age as ours. The dad will not and has not ever said no to either kid. They even make their own bed times. They are 6 and 3 and it has been that way since day one. Kid wakes up at midnight and parents will sit up til 3am while the kid watches tv until they fall back to sleep. One time at our place, the older kid (3 at the time) had the salt shaker in her mouth. Dad would not take it away or even let mom tell her to take it out of her mouth. Next day we realized the kid went home with our salt shaker. Pretty sure that marriage is not cut out for the long hall