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I rode in an elevater with Newt last year in Fl. I was alone with him and he was pretty funny and seemed laid back. He was the keynot speaker for a Nursing Convention that my wife was attending. I asked him back then if he was running and he seemed like he wasn't interested.
RIJ: I brought it up before.
From the center left of the aisle I can't understand the process and candidates...
Huntsman is a very legitimate candidate. Why doesn't the Right like him? Can't be the morman thing can it? Mitt gets 25% Is it because the 'Main Steet Media" seems to like him?
Good NRA record, good abortion record, gov of a very Red state, foreign policy experience w/ one of our biggest allies/comptetor/enemies..
I just can't figure out why he can't get more than 1-2% when Perry and Cain and Bachman and Trump can be front runners, at least for a while....
I disagree with a lot of his policies, but he seems like an honest, guy who is trying to run a good campaign w/o the talking points (9-9-9 anyone?) or pissing all over the current president, while still disagreeing with him..
He's the kind of candidate I respect, even if I don't vote for them....
Bryan
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
Didn't Cain openly admit that his campaign is somewhat of a joke?
Interesting that there's no mention of Ron Paul in the polls even though almost a dead heat has developed between him and the other big candidates in some states.
I actually feel bad for Romney. He should be way out in front given the performance of the others however he never seems to benefit from the losses of others. The repub base is avoiding him.
cain is done. his response to the libya question was ridiculous.
This is really better than anything SNL can do.
This country is a joke if the repub candidates are best we can do.
"This country is a joke if the repub candidates are best we can do."
From where I sit, Gingrich is the sharpest politician since Churchill. The GOP is chock full of bright young talent - Gov Bobby Jindal (LA), Senator Marco Rubio (FL), Chris Christie is very popular...The female governor in SC is popular, is Haley her name? Congressmen Paul Ryan and Mike Pence are going places...
Cain, Perry, and Bachman will be gone by the end of the year. Newt will get much of their support. That leaves me with mixed feelings. Because while I think Newt is the most qualified (by far), I think Romney is more electable in the general. But I REALLY want to see Gingrich debate Obama. Gingrich would just disembowel him. I'd want a tape of that debate put in my casket, and my will would state that no one gets one cent of my inheritance without watching that debate.
Jim:
Serious questions, since you have basically the polar opposite view.... I ask b/c you typically answer w/o lots of cut and pastes... I really am curious as I wach the process of the primary...
1. you don't list Huntsman... if so, why? from my seat he doesn't seem to be a RINO, I just can't figure out why he is so far down... is there something I miss from this side of the aisle about him?
2. How does your faith impact Newt, particuarly his colorful past w/ wives
3. I'm not sure how the Newt Fannie/Freddie thing will play out. he says one thing (I warned of the bubble), FM/FM say the other, but... how do you reconcile the 'Frank/Dodd etc.. should be in jail' quote w/ taking 1.6? Mil from them?
Again, serious questions fueling my curiosity of the Right. I took you off ignore don't make me put you back with a diatribe on how all liberals have a mental disoder.
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
Jim:
Serious questions, since you have basically the polar opposite view.... I ask b/c you typically answer w/o lots of cut and pastes... I really am curious as I wach the process of the primary...
1. you don't list Huntsman... if so, why? from my seat he doesn't seem to be a RINO, I just can't figure out why he is so far down... is there something I miss from this side of the aisle about him?
2. How does your faith impact Newt, particuarly his colorful past w/ wives
3. I'm not sure how the Newt Fannie/Freddie thing will play out. he says one thing (I warned of the bubble), FM/FM say the other, but... how do you reconcile the 'Frank/Dodd etc.. should be in jail' quote w/ taking 1.6? Mil from them?
Again, serious questions fueling my curiosity of the Right. I took you off ignore don't make me put you back with a diatribe on how all liberals have a mental disoder.
"1. you don't list Huntsman... if so, why? from my seat he doesn't seem to be a RINO, I just can't figure out why he is so far down... is there something I miss from this side of the aisle about him?"
I also like Huntsman, and like every GOP candidate, believe he'd be a vast improvement over Obama. But Huntsman, in my opinion, isn't in Gingrich's class...no one is. And I like Romney mostly because, since he's moderate enough to appeal to the independents, likely has the best shot at beating the Mao-ist we have in there now...
"2. How does your faith impact Newt, particuarly his colorful past w/ wives"
A fair, tough, good question.
As a devout Catholic, I don't like it. However, Gingrich's indiscretions were a long time ago, he's been happily married for many years, and he converted to Catholicism thanks to his current wife. By all accounts, he's been a serious Catholic for many years. I don't like that part of his past. But more than that, I don't like it when Democrats, who gave us Clinton, the Kennedys, and Robert Byrd, all of a sudden pretend that ethics matter.
I'd love a guy who has values and the right solutions. I also think that guy is named Marco Rubio (senator from Florida), but he's not ready yet. I personally feel our country is on the edge of an economic and ethical precipace. I think Gingrich is uniquely qualified to get us out. Just listen to how he answers questions. He doesn't simply make you afraid of the other side (which is all Obama does), he backs up his opinions with historical precedent.
"3. I'm not sure how the Newt Fannie/Freddie thing will play out. he says one thing (I warned of the bubble), FM/FM say the other, but... how do you reconcile the 'Frank/Dodd etc.. should be in jail' quote w/ taking 1.6? Mil from them?"
I'm getting up to speed on this now. As you said, Gingrich is saying one thing, others are saying something else. I don't se how he did anything unethical though. What did he do forthem to earn however much $$ it was? Did he try to fix things? Or did he tell them to sell as many subprime mortgages as possible?
Glad you took me off ignore, seriously. Those were tough, but perfectly fair, questions. And Gingrich's personal baggage, in my opinion, probbaly make him un-electable. I'm personally willing to overlook them because I think he's so uniquely qualified. Makes me a bit of a hypocrit, I admit.
As a devout Catholic, I don't like it. However, Gingrich's indiscretions were a long time ago, he's been happily married for many years, and he converted to Catholicism thanks to his current wife.
By all accounts, he's been a serious Catholic for many years.
I did some checking b/c I was curious, they've been married 10, he's been catholic for 2.
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I don't like that part of his past. But more than that, I don't like it when Democrats, who gave us Clinton, the Kennedys, and Robert Byrd, all of a sudden pretend that ethics matter.
And I don't like someone who is trying to dictate morality or guiding us from some ethical precipice, with questionable morals (i.e. who is having an affair, while going after Clinton for an affair...) that's one of the ways I will remember Newt from my formative years...
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I'm getting up to speed on this now. As you said, Gingrich is saying one thing, others are saying something else. I don't se how he did anything unethical though.
It remains to be seen. Do I think he did any thing illegal, No. What concerns me right now, is they (his campaign) were going to release all the FM/FM documents, and then changed their mind in a few hours... what did they find? He is saying one thing, FM/FM is claiming they hired him for 'political clout' (which in itself, Newt independent, is an issue with American Politics). You can hate Dylan Rattigan from MSNBC (and I find him annoying as hell), but his push on removing money and influence from politics is an admirable stance...
Regardless, Newt seems to have an issue of change his take on topics through time... Is he a smart guy? yes is he incredibly Politically savvy? Absolutely. Does that mean he has changed his stance a lot through the years to suit him politically... yes... I think that + personal issues = unelectable...
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Glad you took me off ignore, seriously. Those were tough, but perfectly fair, questions.
Stay away from calling all liberals names or painting with a broad brush, and it will stay that way (for now )
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Hope your holiday season is off to a good start.
you to.
Bryan
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
Cain needs a teleprompter...you might recall the press frustrated with obama throughout the last campaign because while he was happy to have them sit in front of him and his teleprompter and follow him around the 57 States listening to speeches...he wasn't so generous with interviews...
some seem to forget that Obama..off teleprompter.... was..ahhhhh....not always ahhhhhh...so smooth... and benefitted from a media love fest...not the media attempts to put words in his mouth and catch him in gotcha questions day in and day out...
Bryan...Huntsman is viewed as a Bloomberg, Chaffee, etc..."republican"...that's why he's a steady 1.7 in the polls...maybe he should become a democrat
Romney illicits trepidation that he may have some of the same leanings which is why he, while steady, can't seem to garner more traction as long as there are other solidly conservative alternatives
you may or may not have noticed but Romney and Huntsman have not been attacked in the primary for their Mormon background.....however, you can be sure that as soon as and if it appears that Romney is going to be the nominee, we'll see the Fontline Scary Mormon Specials again and all of the questions that were never asked regarding Obama's Black Liberation Theology, which should probably tell you something
whose credability has suffered more since the Cain allegations....Cain or Politico, Allred and her "client" or the anonymous for the most part women alledging all of these things...??? and Cain and the right have not had to ramp up and destroy these women as the left would have surely done
Nov 16, 2011 A Public Policy Polling survey places the former House speaker in front with 28%. Herman Cain and Mitt Romney trail him at 25% and 18%, respectively.
I did some checking b/c I was curious, they've been married 10, he's been catholic for 2.
And I don't like someone who is trying to dictate morality or guiding us from some ethical precipice, with questionable morals (i.e. who is having an affair, while going after Clinton for an affair...) that's one of the ways I will remember Newt from my formative years...
It remains to be seen. Do I think he did any thing illegal, No. What concerns me right now, is they (his campaign) were going to release all the FM/FM documents, and then changed their mind in a few hours... what did they find? He is saying one thing, FM/FM is claiming they hired him for 'political clout' (which in itself, Newt independent, is an issue with American Politics). You can hate Dylan Rattigan from MSNBC (and I find him annoying as hell), but his push on removing money and influence from politics is an admirable stance...
Regardless, Newt seems to have an issue of change his take on topics through time... Is he a smart guy? yes is he incredibly Politically savvy? Absolutely. Does that mean he has changed his stance a lot through the years to suit him politically... yes... I think that + personal issues = unelectable...
Stay away from calling all liberals names or painting with a broad brush, and it will stay that way (for now )
you to.
"And I don't like someone who is trying to dictate morality or guiding us from some ethical precipice, with questionable morals (i.e. who is having an affair, while going after Clinton for an affair...) that's one of the ways I will remember Newt from my formative years..."
Gingrich (who was having an affair) lead the charge to impeach Clinton. People who don't like Gingrich, say that makes him hypocritical. NOT SO. Clinton was NOT impeached for having an affair, the impeachable offense was LYING ABOUT IT under oath. If you can show me where Gingrich lied about his affairs under oath, then I will be the first one to call him a hypocrite. Otherwise, there's absolutely zero double standard.
When liberals stop giving blank checks to public unions, when they stop saying that conservatyives want to kill social security and medicare (when we want to fix them), when they stop calling the Tea Party racist, and most importantly, when they stop saying that terrorists have more of a right to live than unborn babies, I'll change my tune. But I'll work on my tone, I promise...
Clinton was NOT impeached for having an affair, the impeachable offense was LYING ABOUT IT under oath. If you can show me where Gingrich lied about his affairs under oath, then I will be the first one to call him a hypocrite. Otherwise, there's absolutely zero double standard.
Right. b/c the moral right would have let it slide if he just came out said "Yup, Monica smoked my pole..."
Back to work. thats enough time wasted online.....
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
Why did it even have to come to the point where he needed to admit to it under oath? I still believe that whole business was nobody's business But Bill's, Hillary's, and Monica's....
they should have just had a Catfight Cage Match and Bill could of awarded a Cigar to the winner
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
Right. b/c the moral right would have let it slide if he just came out said "Yup, Monica smoked my pole..."
Back to work. thats enough time wasted online.....
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I'm truthfully stating what actually happened. You are the one who speculated that my side would have done no better. If Gingrich has never lied under oath, than he is in no way hypocritical for trying to impeach Clinton. Game. Set. Match.
Why did it even have to come to the point where he needed to admit to it under oath? I still believe that whole business was nobody's business But Bill's, Hillary's, and Monica's....
they should have just had a Catfight Cage Match and Bill could of awarded a Cigar to the winner
Some people care about the character of the President. I'd rather have a jerk who improves things than a swell guy who is incompetent.
Why did it even have to come to the point where he needed to admit to it under oath? I still believe that whole business was nobody's business But Bill's, Hillary's, and Monica's....
they should have just had a Catfight Cage Match and Bill could of awarded a Cigar to the winner
apply it to you own work place
you boss or the President of your company establishes rules regarding workplace relationships(I add that because I think Clinton signed some legislation regarding this for govt. employees prior) or even if he didn't....and you, and your co-workers know that he's calling a teenage intern into his office on a regular basis for "favors"
what about the other interns, are they expected to perform favors if they want to keep their positions, are they having to pick up slack for the time that the other is performing?
if the performing itern gets a better job within the company is it "performance" related?
not a problem?...just between him, his wife and the intern?
you boss or the President of your company establishes rules regarding workplace relationships(I add that because I think Clinton signed some legislation regarding this for govt. employees prior) or even if he didn't....and you, and your co-workers know that he's calling a teenage intern into his office on a regular basis for "favors"
what about the other interns, are they expected to perform favors if they want to keep their positions, are they having to pick up slack for the time that the other is performing?
if the performing itern gets a better job within the company is it "performance" related?
not a problem?...just between him, his wife and the intern?
Are you saying that was the motivation behind this whole thing? So Kenneth Starr decided to rise up and defend the Interns from Bill's Sexual Advancements and to keep the work place safe.
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
Are you saying that was the motivation behind this whole thing? So Kenneth Starr decided to rise up and defend the Interns from Bill's Sexual Advancements and to keep the work place safe.
don't think I said any of that, you indicated that it was a matter between Bill, Hill and the intern...I simply suggested you apply the situation to your own work place or any work place and see if you would view it the same, how about the Governor of Mass. boinking young interns in his office...no problem?...and then also consider that we're talking about the President of the United States and the White House and the Oval Office
Is it the Boinking of interns that is the issue or the cheating on the wife thats the issue?
You see it your way and I see it my way....and I doubt either of us is going to change....just call it a draw
you didn't answer my question, if you apply the same situation to your boss, the head of your company or to the Governor of your state...it it simply something between the spouse(s) and intern?
I think most democrats would, if polled with the general question of whether or not they have a problem with a powerful executive boinking a 19-22 year old intern under their watch and employ in his office...would likely express some problem with that scenario...
but point out that it's Bill Clinton doing the boinking and suddenly all of the excuses come rolling out....
to answer your two part question
the cheating is between the husband and wife in my opinion
the servicing of interns or by interns of the executive in the office is something more than simply between the husband and wife..
.....or do you disagree with that?
I'm pretty sure that prior to Monica, everyone knew that he cheated on his wife repeatedly...continually getting elected must be feel
quite enabling
the cheating is between the husband and wife in my opinion
the servicing of interns or by interns of the executive in the office is something more than simply between the husband and wife..
.....or do you disagree with that?
I'm pretty sure that prior to Monica, everyone knew that he cheated on his wife repeatedly...continually getting elected must be feel
quite enabling
Depends...if it isn't affecting the business...I still feel its between the Husband, the wife, and the intern.....but a situation like that can definitely erode the functioning of an office environment....if thats the case then it becomes a problem.
Do you feel then that a cheater or womanizer shouldn't be considered for office?
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
Why did it even have to come to the point where he needed to admit to it under oath? I still believe that whole business was nobody's business But Bill's, Hillary's, and Monica's....
dont want to jump in here ( and DF I agree with you) but lewinsky affair came up in the case against Clinton by the other woman, cant remember her name - paula somthing?. It was a court case that Bill testified under oath about lewinsky. that was the issue and the case against him. not the affair itself
Do you feel then that a cheater or womanizer shouldn't be considered for office?
my personal opinion is that if someone can't be honest in the most basic arrangement, marriage, and can "cheat" on their spouse and then look them in the eye each day as if nothing is happening and cause the kind of pain that follows when the truth comes to light, then they are likely capable of much worse given power through an elected office..so, it is a problem for me when it is discovered about a candidate as much as and probably more so as if they cheated on their taxes, were involved in questionable dealings or with dubious characters...it all goes to character ...
dont want to jump in here ( and DF I agree with you) but lewinsky affair came up in the case against Clinton by the other woman, cant remember her name - paula somthing?. It was a court case that Bill testified under oath about lewinsky. that was the issue and the case against him. not the affair itself
True....but Ken Starr was investigating him for Real Estate Investments....when he couldn't get that to stick....Oh by the way, the president was getting hummers in the Oval Office, and denied it....here I'll show ya the Money Shot
That whole mess struck me as sleazy
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
Given the diversity of the human species, there is no “normal” human genome sequence. We are all mutants.
don't make me put you back with a diatribe on how all liberals have a mental disoder.
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and benefitted from a media love fest...not the media attempts to put words in his mouth and catch him in gotcha questions day in and day out...
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