Schiff lost his marbles

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So where was the outrage when Senate democrats asked Ukraine to investigate Trump and Manafort? That letter has been widely circulated in public, and not once did I hear anyone on the left criticize the senate democrats for asking another country for help, that they should have gone to the Justice Dept.

Did you read the letter?

Who did Mueller work for?

Here is the opening sentence: "We are writing to express great concern about reports that your office has taken steps to impede cooperation with the investigation of United States Special counsel Robert Mueller."

That is the difference between an aboveboard investigation and Floridaman's backchannel baloney.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Did you read the letter?

Who did Mueller work for?

Here is the opening sentence: "We are writing to express great concern about reports that your office has taken steps to impede cooperation with the investigation of United States Special counsel Robert Mueller."

That is the difference between an aboveboard investigation and Floridaman's backchannel baloney.

the difference, is whether or not you support the politician asking a foreign country for help.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the difference, is whether or not you support the politician asking a foreign country for help.
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The difference is one abused his power to benefit himself, the others were assisting the Justice Department in an ongoing investigation.

As I have said before, if Floridaman had a anti corruption campaign, he would likely been able to investigate the Biden's involvement in Ukraine and no one would have been able to do a thing.
Floridaman found some lackeys to do his bidding who were actually pursuing corrupt opportunities in Ukraine and the USA.
There is still plenty of dirt to come out of the administration's horror show in Ukraine.
I feel bad for Zelensky who has been walking a wire trying to stay out of it while continuing to receive the support he has to have and keep his position as the leader of a government with an anti-corruption platform.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The difference is one abused his power to benefit himself, the others were assisting the Justice Department in an ongoing investigation.

As I have said before, if Floridaman had a anti corruption campaign, he would likely been able to investigate the Biden's involvement in Ukraine and no one would have been able to do a thing.
Floridaman found some lackeys to do his bidding who were actually pursuing corrupt opportunities in Ukraine and the USA.
There is still plenty of dirt to come out of the administration's horror show in Ukraine.
I feel bad for Zelensky who has been walking a wire trying to stay out of it while continuing to receive the support he has to have and keep his position as the leader of a government with an anti-corruption platform.

i don’t see how you can conclude it was an abuse of power. Trump, if guilty, threatened to withhold
aid unless they did what he wanted. Biden did the same exact thing, bragging that he threatened to withhold aid.

This is an insane joke.
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[Sea Dangles]

Differing standards as usual.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i don’t see how you can conclude it was an abuse of power. Trump, if guilty, threatened to withhold
aid unless they did what he wanted. Biden did the same exact thing, bragging that he threatened to withhold aid.

This is an insane joke.
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Floridaman asked for the announcement of an investigation.
Show any proof of more than that, not your thoughts or feelings, a document, witness or other.
Trump's clear pattern of behavior stays true to course all the time.

There is just as much evidence that Floridaman ordered the hit on the Iranian to placate Bolton as there is that any Biden committed a crime having anything to do with Ukraine.
My feelings say the Bolton tradeoff is true and I want it investigated.
So what............

[Sea Dangles]

Back to gibberish I guess.🙄
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[scottw]

every media/democrap bombshell blows up in their faces...it's pretty amusing

[Pete F.]

Mitt Romney just said he supports calling John Bolton as a witness for Trump’s removal trial: “I can't begin to tell you how John Bolton's testimony would ultimately play on a final decision but it's relevant. And therefore, I'd like to hear it.”

[Pete F.]

It's kind of funny.

Lindsey Graham minced no words warning the Republican party that Trump would destroy them. And now that Trump is burning the GOP to the ground Lindsey is standing right there next to Trump handing him the gasoline and the matches.

[Sea Dangles]

I sympathize with your distress PeteF.
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[Pete F.]

Fox News' Chris Wallace on the Bolton news: "If you want a sense of how big the news is that we've heard in the past 12-14 hours, listen to the Trump supporters...spinning like crazy that it isn't big news and you get a sense that this is really an important development."

[Got Stripers]

Trump will pull out every legal string he can if enough senators break ranks and vote for witnesses, the last thing he wants is Bolton testifying. But it was a perfect call and all about corruption and the world is flat don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

[Pete F.]

“I don't know those gentlemen. I don't know them, I don't know about them, I don't know what they do... I don't know, maybe they were clients of Rudy. You'd have to ask Rudy. I just don't know.”

But there are tapes and photos and video

[scottw]

Yawn. I think you guys have really got him this time! For the thousandth time
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

Yawn. I think you guys have really got him this time! For the thousandth time
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This is the smoking gun, this time!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It's kind of funny.

Lindsey Graham minced no words warning the Republican party that Trump would destroy them. And now that Trump is burning the GOP to the ground Lindsey is standing right there next to Trump handing him the gasoline and the matches.

For Graham's entire career, his goal was to be the Democrats' favorite Republican. He always compromised with democrats, to the point that a lot of conservatives didn't like Graham. Do you know what changed him? Do you know what finally illumintd the truth to him? The Kavanaugh debacle.

Your side turned Graham into a staunch conservative attack dog. Limbaugh and Hannity used to make fun of Graham all day long for being liberal, now Graham is on Hannity almost every day. Just like you did a lot to get Trump elected, just like you're doing everything humanly possible (and many things heretofore not thought to be possible) to get him re-elected.

[Got Stripers]

You guys can defend him like the rest of the boot licker senators, but you and they aren’t saying what they fear, that when all the evidence comes to light (it will with or without witnesses), Trumps base and votes in 2020 shrink to a point he likely won’t win another term.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You guys can defend him like the rest of the boot licker senators, but you and they aren’t saying what they fear, that when all the evidence comes to light (it will with or without witnesses), Trumps base and votes in 2020 shrink to a point he likely won’t win another term.

Double or nothing right now.$$$
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[scottw]

great to see Schumer so excited that the unconfirmed, leaked, anonymous report in the NY Times confirms what he believes

[scottw]

drinking game...let's add boot licker to the list

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You guys can defend him like the rest of the boot licker senators, but you and they aren’t saying what they fear, that when all the evidence comes to light (it will with or without witnesses), Trumps base and votes in 2020 shrink to a point he likely won’t win another term.

Did you add in the votes from all the independents that are disgusted with how the democrats have acted the past 3 years. That Kavanaugh debacle was pretty effed up to those people who didn’t have a side.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

You guys can defend him like the rest of the boot licker senators, but you and they aren’t saying what they fear, that when all the evidence comes to light (it will with or without witnesses), Trumps base and votes in 2020 shrink to a point he likely won’t win another term.

and democrats aren’t saying what they fear, that if there's another fair and open election in november, there’s a fair chance he wins re election, given the freaks running against him.

both sides want to win in november, no one denies that.
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[Got Stripers]

Funny stuff, fair election, is that why Trump bribed a foreign power to help him win in the next one. Good stuff��

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Funny stuff, fair election, is that why Trump bribed a foreign power to help him win in the next one. Good stuff��

how about the corona virus? you’re going to let him off the hook for that?

how does a foreign power rig an election, exactly? how do they have a bigger impact than the media?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Funny stuff, fair election, is that why Trump bribed a foreign power to help him win in the next one. Good stuff��

he didn't

[Got Stripers]

The denials are also funny��

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

The denials are also funny��

They may be funny to you, but they are not denials, they are statement of fact. Ukraine received the money without having to do a quo to get it. Your notion that your imaginary crime was that what didn't actually happen was supposed to influence a future election is pure speculation which makes the entire fiction funny.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

They may be funny to you, but they are not denials, they are statement of fact. Ukraine received the money without having to do a quo to get it. Your notion that your imaginary crime was that what didn't actually happen was supposed to influence a future election is pure speculation which makes the entire fiction funny.

Good joke, funny stuff, Ukraine didn’t want to and luckily wasn’t forced to announce the investigation in order to get their aid and meeting, because Trump and his BS bribery plot got outed by the whistle blower. Just because it didn’t work and he was forced to release the aid, doesn’t absolve him of abusing his power and then obstruction of congress.

Go drink some more cool aid, your getting low on facts and an argument that holds water.

[PaulS]

The only reason Ukr. got the $ was bc people found out about the scam.