So it looks like "Dissent is patriotic is already out the window!
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So it looks like "Dissent is patriotic is already out the window!
so the evil repunlicans are questioning the LARGEST spending bill in history and Moveon.org is running adds to target them? Its wrong for people to questions this? Realize there is no proof or even academic support for the provisions of this bill, its just a try it and see effort.
Libs are nuts.
House Republicans have proposed an alternative that leaders say would create 6.2 million jobs for only $478 billion.
"What Member can't go back his or her District and explain: Rather than voting for a bloated bill, ... I voted for an alternative that would create twice the jobs at half the cost, and faster?" a House Republican leadership aide said. "That's why we didn't lose a single Republican and picked up 11 Democrats."
Pushing back against the unanimous House Republican vote against President Obama’s stimulus plan, the White House plans to release state-by-state job figures “so we can put a number on what folks voted for an against,” an administration aide said.
“It’s clear the Republicans who voted against the stimulus represent constituents who will be stunned to learn their member of Congress voted against [saving or] creating 4 million jobs,” the aide said.
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said the lawmakers will have to answer to their constituents.
“I do believe that there will be people in districts all over the country that will wonder why, when there’s a good bill to get the economy moving again, why we still seem to be playing political gotcha," Gibbs said.
And later today, MoveOn, Americans United for Change, AFSCME and SEIU will be announcing a new ad campaign targeting moderate Republican senators who might support the stimulus — Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine, Judd Gregg of New Hampshire, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Charles Grassley of Iowa.
The ad, which will run in the Washington market and in those states, consists of clips of the president talking about the stimulus, followed by the male voiceover, “Tell Congress to support the Obama plan for jobs, not the failed policies of the past.”
Letters on the screen say: “Tell Congress to support the Obama Plan.” The president met privately with House Republicans at the Capitol, Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had a private White House dinner for House GOP moderates, and the President had members of both parties and both chambers over for cocktails last night.
But they did not peel off a single Republican.
The tally took reporters by surprise: Aides had said the party’s votes for the package might be in the single digits. So “zero” was a feat for House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio, who said on “Meet the Press” that he would oppose the package, and the next day asked members to follow him; House Minority Whip Eric Cantor of Virginia, who nailed down the votes; and House Republican Conference Chairman Mike Pence of Indiana. Pence sensed his members falling under Obama’s spell during their meeting Monday and brought them back by telling the President: “Know that we’re praying for you. … But know that there has been no negotiation [with us] on this bill – we had absolutely no say.”
Although a tactical triumph, the vote poses a risk to Republicans in the long run, with Democrats able to portray them as the party of "no" at a time when voters are hurting. Some House Republicans are likely to try to dilute the political risk by voting for the final version of the stimulus package after it passes the Senate.
Unless someone votes for/against a bill b/c they are trying to make the sponsor or other party fail (and I'm sure we have read how the repub. want Obama to fail), I sometimes disagree with going after a member b/c of his vote.
What I was not suprised to see was confirmation how the repubs. vote in lock step.
"Left, right, you got your marching orders, left, right, we don't want any disention, left right, don't fall out of step, left right, we told you how to vote, left, right, if you don't like it, no pages for you, left, right,..."
When you hear how this "stimulus" money is being dispensed, you have to wonder: How do these items/projects promote job growth or stimulate anything other than some "special-interest groups" wallets?
Over $300 million for "sexually transmitted diseases? (I won't even start on this one)
4 billion to ACORN? Talk about your "special interest groups"!
Exactly how does giving money to help build a new sports facility in Florida help the nations economy? Exactly how many NEW jobs will that create?
Giving money to build a duck pond in California is surely going to turn that state's economy around, RIGHT!
This stimulus package, as presented is like any other apporpriations bill in Washington..... full of Sh*t!!!!
It looks more and more like a "this is in appreciation for helping me get elected" gift to plenty of people that definitely don't deserve anything other than a one-way ride out of town.
This is like the obligatory office gift you HAVE to contribute to, for a coworker that you can't stand.
We (those who actually work for a living) are getting the royal screw job once again.
I know I'll get the wacko label again, but anyone notice the headlines the last two days have been all doom and gloom at the individual levels? Guy murdering his family becasue they lost their jobs, increased suicide calls. CNN now has the headline @ the "Devils Cave" for homeless people. Its like these guys sole purpose it to further the democrat agenda.
Obama is "disappointed" but "knows it's going to take longer than a few days to change the way Washington works," spokesman Robert Gibbs said in a round of US television network interviews. "His hand will continue to be extended."
Ahh " Its the way Washinton works" thats stalling the process! Oh, hell is that whats stopping us from spending 820 BBBBBBBBBBBillion! That right, its those evil republicans!
Wouldnt it have been great if the Dems had balls, errr, I mean political foresight to NOT vote for the evil Bush war in Iraq? Can you imagine what MIGHT have happened if they listened to Barry and rallied around his opposition?
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Smoking cessation programs make up $75 million of the economic stimulus bill making its way through the Senate, according to Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, who sponsored the funding.
Sen. Tom Harkin's office says smoking causes $110 billion in health costs each year.
Harkin said the programs were an attempt to bolster the economy by lowering the soaring health-care costs smoking causes each year.
The money will be used to bolster existing anti-smoking campaigns run by the Department of Health and Human Services and to buy new equipment at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which tests the contents of cigarettes.
What about all the southern states that produce tobacco? What about the medical professionals that recieve the money for care, what about undertakers? Wont this HURT them? We need new machines to tell us that cigarettes are bad??????? How is this economic stimulus????
2) Tax the $hit out of the people who are productive to fund it.
3) When it fails "It would have worked but we didn't have enough money."
4) Repeat as many times as necessary to buy re-election votes from special interests.
That's it in a nutshell! Only this time we are throwing the country's future away. This makes the money spent on the war on terror look like peanuts. Remember the deficit......our childrens future... this money will be pissed away and we will have nothing to show for it. How come the Dow has dropped every day since "He" became President?
Funny how RIJIMMY is sent off the deep end by Moveon.org...yea, the pulse of the Democratic party
I'm sure there's plenty in this bill that I wouldn't agree with, but anyone who thinks spending to stimulate is an oxymoron doesn't have their head screwed on straight.
That's not to say that rampant or unecessary spending is wise, but most finance experts I've read seem to go along with the idea of government spending as a way to get the market moving again.
I like the fact that the GOP stood together, it must not have been easy to do. Quite likely that this bill won't make it through in the current form.
That's it in a nutshell! Only this time we are throwing the country's future away. This makes the money spent on the war on terror look like peanuts. Remember the deficit......our childrens future... this money will be pissed away and we will have nothing to show for it. How come the Dow has dropped every day since "He" became President?
The current price tag, just on Iraq is a little shy of 600Bil, so really, stimulating the economy and pissing away money and lives in Iraq is in the same ballpark
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
That's it in a nutshell! Only this time we are throwing the country's future away. This makes the money spent on the war on terror look like peanuts. Remember the deficit......our childrens future... this money will be pissed away and we will have nothing to show for it. How come the Dow has dropped every day since "He" became President?
Actually, the Dow is up. Jan 20 closed at 7,949.09. And is over 8,000. With all due respect, do you do any research before making comments?
Also with regards to the country's deficit, Bush was handed a $128 billion Surplus and 8 years of Bush plus 6 years of a Republican congress turned it into an almost $400 billion deficit.
I remember the deficit, because we're still dealing with it and will be dealing with for years to come. The deficit is money that Bush and Co. pissed away.
As of October 2008, $864 billion had been spent on the War on Terror. The Iraq war has a projected, long-term cost of almost $3 trillion when long term care of veterans and other obligations are considered.
How exactly does the stimulus plan make these numbers look like peanuts??
Just saw this, been busy and preoccupied lately...
Jim, this is NO different than Rush's Sheep.
Move-on does not speak for all libs. Like Eben I have questions, but still think a stimulus is needed....
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
The current price tag, just on Iraq is a little shy of 600Bil, so really, stimulating the economy and pissing away money and lives in Iraq is in the same ballpark
You have to understand that the defence department does not just shut down if we are not at war. We spend Billions anyway. So the figure is skewed. And my family memers and the majority of servicemen and women over there, for you, might be offended by your comment.
Actually, the Dow is up. Jan 20 closed at 7,949.09. And is over 8,000. With all due respect, do you do any research before making comments?
Also with regards to the country's deficit, Bush was handed a $128 billion Surplus and 8 years of Bush plus 6 years of a Republican congress turned it into an almost $400 billion deficit.
I remember the deficit, because we're still dealing with it and will be dealing with for years to come. The deficit is money that Bush and Co. pissed away.
As of October 2008, $864 billion had been spent on the War on Terror. The Iraq war has a projected, long-term cost of almost $3 trillion when long term care of veterans and other obligations are considered.
How exactly does the stimulus plan make these numbers look like peanuts??
Seems to be down again! Even with the Savior getting his trillion dollars. Maybe we need to print more $$$$, That will fix it.
Mass in line for 6.5 billion. I'm sure the Dems are licking there chops and stuffing there pockets. What a country
You have to understand that the defense department does not just shut down if we are not at war. We spend Billions anyway. So the figure is skewed. And my family members and the majority of servicemen and women over there, for you, might be offended by your comment.
You are right.
I shouldn't have said pissed away when referring to lives being lost. My bad on that. They have a job to do. I too have friends and family members who had served over there. I don't envy them, but what they have told me does not change my perspective on it being a lost cause and waste of time, money and lives.
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
It's been on a steady decline since a small bumb. Dropped like a rock on the day he took office. Dropped yesterday and the more we see of this package they just passed the more it will drop. We approved 1.6 trillion dollars + or - in the last few months and I don't hear a peep about the deficit from the left. Why? because they get to spend that $$$ on votes. The war $$$ they can't
Just saw this, been busy and preoccupied lately...
Jim, this is NO different than Rush's Sheep.
Move-on does not speak for all libs. Like Eben I have questions, but still think a stimulus is needed....
The libs are nuts comment is directed towards suddenly it "bad" to question the admistration in charge. As much as you guys slammed bush on Iraq, this Bill by Obama is using all the same political tactics and fear mongering that you fault Bush with.
I'm glad Spence acknowledges the the Repubs stood against it. Its not a "sheep" movement, its showing unity against something they have issues with. As I stated earlier, imagine if the Dems had the balls to do that with the Iraq war?
As I stated earlier, imagine if the Dems had the balls to do that with the Iraq war?
Fortunately, some did.
Unfortunately, it was far too few!
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
It's been on a steady decline since a small bumb. Dropped like a rock on the day he took office. Dropped yesterday and the more we see of this package they just passed the more it will drop.
Thats not what you said....if I'm not mistaken isn't there an issue where the biased media distorts facts to further the Liberal Agenda....
Did you not just distort the Facts to Further the Right Wing agenda...
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Originally Posted by buckman
How come the Dow has dropped every day since "He" became President?
Looks like the EXACT same thing....I thought the "Right Don't Play Dat"
The Graph I posted clearly shows that the Dow is up from 5 days ago.
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
Fortunately, some did.
Unfortunately, it was far too few!
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Secretary of State............ Cheney must have had his hand up her rear like a puppet. Yup, the evil Bush admin.....
The fortunately is that IF she had, then she would have won
the unfortunately component is obvious...
and TDF, your comeback to buckman...
Bryan
Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
the bottom line is that this bailout is bad news and filled with unnececsary charity. If the libs beleive group think and faulty intelligence got us into Iraq, why is the bailout any different. My friend Michael Moore will tell you how much Halliburton benefitted from the war, tell me, how much will Obama's buddy Warren Buffet gain from this bailout. THE MEDIA SHOULD BE ASKING THESE QUESTIONS NOT SOME MORON (me) ON A FIHSING WEBSITE !!!!
The Stimulus Shopping List: $1.17 Trillion in Pork Goodies
Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:00 PM
By: David A. Patten Article Font Size
Having trouble putting down that cigarette? The stimulus bill has $75 million for programs to help people quit smoking.
The $1.17 trillion stimulus bill passed by House Democrats on Wednesday bears little resemblance to the bill originally proposed by President Obama, with less than 5 percent of the funds now going to repair America’s deteriorating infrastructure.
GOP critics point out the bill is loaded with tens of billions for items ranging from Amtrak subsidies to sexually transmitted diseases to the National Endowment for the Arts -- much of which won’t actually flow into the economy until long after economists expect the current economic crisis to subside.
In late November, Obama promised: “It will be a two-year, nationwide effort to jumpstart job creation in America, and lay the foundation for a strong and growing economy. We’ll put people back to work rebuilding our crumbling roads and bridges,” modernizing schools and stimulating development of alternative forms of energy.
Even some Democrats are now objecting that the measure contains too few highway and mass transit projects. Moreover Mark Zandi, chief economist for Moody’s Economy.com, says most of the infrastructure spending in the plan won’t occur until 2010 or later.
Provisions of the bill that many legislators are questioning:
$1 billion for Amtrak, which hasn’t earned a profit in four decades.
$2 billion to help subsidize child care.
$400 million for research into global warming.
$2.4 billion for projects to demonstrate how carbon greenhouse gas can be safely removed from the atmosphere.
$650 million for coupons to help consumers convert their TV sets from analog to digital, part of the digital TV conversion.
$600 million to buy a new fleet of cars for federal employees and government departments.
$75 million to fund programs to help people quit smoking.
$21 million to re-sod the National Mall, which suffered heavy use during the Inauguration.
$2.25 billion for national parks. This item has sparked calls for an investigation, because the chief lobbyist of the National Parks Association is the son of Rep. David R. Obey, D-Wisc. The $2,25 billion is about equal to the National Park Service’s entire annual budget. The Washington Times reports it is a threefold increase over what was originally proposed for parks in the stimulus bill. Obey is chairman of the House Appropriations Committee.
$335 million for treatment and prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.
$50 million for the National Endowment for the Arts. $4.19 billion to stave off foreclosures via the Neighborhood Stabilization Program. The bill allows nonprofits to compete with cities and states for $3.44 billion of the money, which means a substantial amount of it will be captured by ACORN, the controversial activist group currently under federal investigation for vote fraud. Another $750 million would be exclusively reserved for nonprofits such as ACORN – meaning cities and states are barred from receiving that money. Sen. David Vitter, R-La., charges the money could appear to be a “payoff” for the partisan political activities community groups in the last election cycle.
$44 million to renovate the headquarters building of the Agriculture Department.
$32 billion for a “smart electricity grid to minimize waste.
$87 billion of Medicaid funds, to aid states.
$53.4 billion for science facilities, high speed Internet, and miscellaneous energy and environmental programs.
$13 billion to repair and weatherize public housing, help the homeless, repair foreclosed homes.
$20 billion for quicker depreciation and write-offs for equipment.
$10.3 billion for tax credits to help families defray the cost of college tuition.
$20 billion over five years for an expanded food stamp program.
Republican leaders say the stimulus package will add 32 new government programs at a cost of $136 billion. They object that many of the programs, once established, are likely to continue indefinitely.
Most media outlets are reporting the cost of the package at $819 billion. As Newsmax revealed yesterday, however, the Congressional Budget Office calculates that the interest on the debt generated by the bill’s spending will cost another $347.1 billion, making the total cost approximately $1.17 trillion.
Of course, the measure contains hundreds of billions in tax cuts and infrastructure projects that conservatives will find palatable. But as House Minority whip Eric Cantor, R-Va., told the media Wednesday, “This was not a stimulus bill. It was a spending bill.”
Thats not what you said....if I'm not mistaken isn't there an issue where the biased media distorts facts to further the Liberal Agenda....
Did you not just distort the Facts to Further the Right Wing agenda...
Looks like the EXACT same thing....I thought the "Right Don't Play Dat"
The Graph I posted clearly shows that the Dow is up from 5 days ago.
TDF, There's no point in even discussing with him. This is how the extremists on the far right work. Make some outlandish unresearched statement, get proven your 100% wrong, then attempt to amend what you said or completely ignore what you said and try to change history.
Buckman won't even respond to me anymore when I correct him. Probably because a point presented with hard facts and figures is tough to argue with, as opposed to his Bill O'Reilly-pulled out of thin air with no support comments.
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