They got him...

[wdmso]

https://www.adl.org/news/press-relea...in-hate-crimes


More hate crimes were carried out in the United States last year, with an uptick in incidents motivated by bias against Jews, Muslims and LGBT people, among others, according to new FBI data released Monday.

I am sure these hate crimes were equally distributed between conservative and liberal crazy perpetrators


What happened in conjunction with this Rise in theses ???

[scottw]

it's weird how auto-correct affects liberals far more than it affects conservatives....

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Yes, plus congested from a cold and rushing to leave for the giants game.
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That must be hard - the Giants game, of course.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Should we consider how people react to all the internet BS not that all or even a minority, but some people
It does have a name “Stochastic terrorism”
Yes I do think this is something the person who nobody wants to call out for his behavior is responsible for
Back in 2011, an anonymous writer coined the term “stochastic terrorism” to refer to “the use of mass communication to incite random actors to carry out violent or terrorist acts that are statistically predictable but individually unpredictable,” or, in other words “remote control terror by lone wolf.”
https://qz.com/1436267/trump-stochas...s-in-violence/
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I didn't read the link. Yes I have heard the term - Stochastic terrorism - and there is something there, there. However it is not a Trump only event nor is it new.

There have been lone wolfs inspired by "something" for millennia to go out and kill and do something, worked up by some entity. The Boilsheviks might have known a thing or two about it (before they ate their young), or any anarchist group for the past X centuries. To Al Queda / ISIS, PLO, NAZIs, and everything in between. Black Lives Matter fostered this which ended in multiple scenarios of cops being killed.

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Pete,your sources are sketchy at best. Try to work hard for an independent thought and get back soon.
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I wouldn't trust Quartz but some of it is correct, it just blames one side

Originally Posted by wdmso

https://www.adl.org/news/press-relea...in-hate-crimes


More hate crimes were carried out in the United States last year, with an uptick in incidents motivated by bias against Jews, Muslims and LGBT people, among others, according to new FBI data released Monday.

I am sure these hate crimes were equally distributed between conservative and liberal crazy perpetrators


What happened in conjunction with this Rise in theses ???

What about the rise in hate crimes before last year, and the year before that, and then again the year before that??

And no the crimes are not equally distributed between left and right crazy, it ebbs and flows, depending on many factors including when the pot is stirred by bad (or misguided) actors on either side.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Should we consider how people react to all the internet BS not that all or even a minority, but some people
It does have a name “Stochastic terrorism”

Should we consider how people react to mainstream media BS from commentators like Don Lemon, Mika Brzezinski/Joe Scarborough, Rachel Maddow, and media comedian/commentators like Noah Trevor, Stephen Colbert, and Bill Maher? Are they responsible for stirring up Stochastic terrorism?

Or political "how aboutism" such as Maxine Waters, Al Sharpton, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi--do they stir up any Scholastic terrorism.

And your article's using Bin Laden as an example of one who stirs up terrorism--That was his SPECIFIC INTENTION. Are you saying, or more appropriately for you, are you suggesting That Trump intentionally is stirring up shootings, killings, terrorism?

It appears to me that, if you are suggesting that, using a communication forum to express it, that is a sort of stochastic terrorism--stirring the pot of the "Trump-is-a-killer/Hitler/Nazi/white nationalist/blah, blah" syndrome. Which can lead to a lone wolf to go after him or after his followers.

If you are suggesting that Trump should change his tune, I would respond that such would be a surrender to the cacophonous Anti-Trump screeching that assaults him, and the rest of us, every day. And if you are suggesting that if Trump changed, the cacophony would also, I would say that you're dreaming. The anti-Trump narrative, with its extremist accusations and characterizations, is the only thing now that the left functionally has to defeat him and the Republicans.

Personally, whatever truth there is in your article, it is, at best, suggesting one of the minimal, collateral, dangers of free speech. To curtail speech because of that danger is the beginning of limiting speech because of many other small dangers and ultimately the elimination of the very anchor of political and personal freedom. To ban speech that may offend or possibly (not deliberately) stir to violence, limits speech to the most banal and barely utilitarian use.

Which would be very advantageous to authoritarian government.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

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What happened in conjunction with this Rise in theses ???

I think there's a small number of very sick folks out there (you deal with some at work, I presume). They have probably always been out there, but it's a safe bet it's easier for them to find dark things online which fuel their fantasies.

I also think our culture has a collective moral compass, that's badly in need of a tune up. Not enough empathy, not enough traditional family values, not enough fathers, not nearly enough good parents out there.

The pipe bombs were sent by an apparent Trump fan. The synagogue attack was carried out by a Trump hater. I think there's sociopaths on both sides.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The pipe bombs were sent by an apparent Trump fan. The synagogue attack was carried out by a Trump hater. I think there's sociopaths on both sides.

Hating Trump doesn't make you a democrat Jim. The guy hated Trump because the President wasn't white nationalist enough.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Hating Trump doesn't make you a democrat Jim. The guy hated Trump because the President wasn't white nationalist enough.

True. But hating Trump and hating it when America sticks its neck out to help Israel, is becoming synonymous with Democrats. When will Israel stop picking on those innocent Palestinians, anyway?

But if you want a better example of a liberal sociopath, how about the guy in Dallas who assassinated the cops, is that good enough? Or was he actually a Republican too?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Who shot Scalise?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

True. But hating Trump and hating it when America sticks its neck out to help Israel, is becoming synonymous with Democrats. When will Israel stop picking on those innocent Palestinians, anyway?

Every Democrat I know supports Israel, they just don't support a blind policy to aggression that isn't sufficiently justified and Israel frequently does cross the line with the US blocking them from accountability. I've said many times the situation there is a product of all parties involved.

But if you want a better example of a liberal sociopath, how about the guy in Dallas who assassinated the cops, is that good enough? Or was he actually a Republican too?

I don't know if he was a liberal or not but it is a good case for better gun control.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't know if he was a liberal or not but it is a good case for better gun control.

Is it a good case for better gun control when a cop shoots an unarmed person?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Hating Trump doesn't make you a democrat Jim. The guy hated Trump because the President wasn't white nationalist enough.

Your talking on the edge of provoking stochastic terrorism.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I think there's a small number of very sick folks out there (you deal with some at work, I presume). They have probably always been out there, but it's a safe bet it's easier for them to find dark things online which fuel their fantasies.

I also think our culture has a collective moral compass, that's badly in need of a tune up. Not enough empathy, not enough traditional family values, not enough fathers, not nearly enough good parents out there.

The pipe bombs were sent by an apparent Trump fan. The synagogue attack was carried out by a Trump hater. I think there's sociopaths on both sides.

our culture has a collective moral compass, that's badly in need of a tune up. Not enough empathy, not enough traditional family values, not enough fathers, not nearly enough good parents out there.

it's been this way for some time .. totally unrelated to the motivation of both of theses Men , which is clearly displayed in their Social media posts which have been spread by and reinforced by other prominent conservatives some elected some not ..

Part of a Elie Wiesel quote I saw explained my position well

Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.

just saying there's sociopaths on both sides which I am sure their are .. avoids seeing the elephant in the room ... and I see that as taking a neutral position...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

our culture has a collective moral compass, that's badly in need of a tune up. Not enough empathy, not enough traditional family values, not enough fathers, not nearly enough good parents out there.

it's been this way for some time .. totally unrelated to the motivation of both of theses Men , which is clearly displayed in their Social media posts which have been spread by and reinforced by other prominent conservatives some elected some not ..

Part of a Elie Wiesel quote I saw explained my position well

Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim.

just saying there's sociopaths on both sides which I am sure their are .. avoids seeing the elephant in the room ... and I see that as taking a neutral position...

"it's been this way for some time "

Our moral compass has been broken for some time, I don't think it's always been this broken.

"totally unrelated to the motivation of both of theses Men "

Maybe.

"just saying there's sociopaths on both sides which I am sure their are .. avoids seeing the elephant in the room "

What's the elephant in the room, exactly? Trump? Republicans?

"and I see that as taking a neutral position"

I don't have a neutral position on violent crime. I can promise you that my position is different than your position...that doesn't mean I don't have a position.

"their Social media posts which have been spread by and reinforced by other prominent conservatives "

Yes, if it wasn't for conservatives, there would be zero poverty, we'd all live forever, and unicorns would be floating down the street..

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

What happened in conjunction with this Rise in theses ???

The ease of access to crazy: The Internet.

Before the Internet, most of the crazy were small fish in a big pond had some push pull from, ya know NORMAL society, to curb some of the extreme tendencies and tinfoilhat stuff.

The Internet, however, allowed whack jobs on both sides to silo into their own cess pools of crazy (see Alex Jones and Occupy Democrats) and when they found these conglomerations of nuttiness, they socialized less with more normal folk that could attenuate their crazy.

Now that they have found their crazy, the crazy biug fish in these small ponds (road puddles seemingly)of crazy tried to "one up" each other in a race of who could manifesto over whom further fueling the fire making the nuttiness go from ludicrous speed straight to plaid.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"it's been this way for some time "



"their Social media posts which have been spread by and reinforced by other prominent conservatives "

Yes, if it wasn't for conservatives, there would be zero poverty, we'd all live forever, and unicorns would be floating down the street..

you avoid the elephant in the room once again ... you and others Have failed to address once the anti jewish conspiracies and other conspiracies promoted by prominent conservatives whom I have posted their tweets and they are very clear in their suggestions .. and how they are linked to the bomber and the shooter

with a lame response .. if it wasn't for conservatives, there would be zero poverty, we'd all live forever, and unicorns would be floating down the street..

ok so your not neutral its clear is this better your silent

Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.

[JohnR]

Anti-Jewish Conspiracies? Antisemitism?

See any good college campuses lately?

[Sea Dangles]

Another day,another conspiracy imagined. We are witnessing Trump torture Wayne on a daily basis and it’s a one sided match. Poor Wayne wakes up and creates a new conspiracy to spread fear amongst his disciples. Trump has taken up residency between the poor mans ears,and it is certainly full time. Hahaha.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by JohnR

The ease of access to crazy: The Internet.

Before the Internet, most of the crazy were small fish in a big pond had some push pull from, ya know NORMAL society, to curb some of the extreme tendencies and tinfoilhat stuff.

The Internet, however, allowed whack jobs on both sides to silo into their own cess pools of crazy (see Alex Jones and Occupy Democrats) and when they found these conglomerations of nuttiness, they socialized less with more normal folk that could attenuate their crazy.

Now that they have found their crazy, the crazy biug fish in these small ponds (road puddles seemingly)of crazy tried to "one up" each other in a race of who could manifesto over whom further fueling the fire making the nuttiness go from ludicrous speed straight to plaid.

IMHO the internet has caused much of our problems today and the youth of America are addicted to it, they fall into depression if they don't get their daily share of likes, tweets and hash tags.

[Pete F.]

Cesar Sayoc sent pipe bombs to the list of enemies provided by Trump at his rallies, which he attended and loved.
It must be that hatred is at fault, a vague hatred arising from nowhere in particular, though coming from both sides as well.
Robert Bowers specifically murdered Jews for supporting immigrant hordes sent to invade the country-the problem the President constantly mentions.
Oh, the mindless hatred of mysterious vintage! Only by coming together, can we unify against properly understanding!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Another day,another conspiracy imagined. We are witnessing Trump torture Wayne on a daily basis and it’s a one sided match. Poor Wayne wakes up and creates a new conspiracy to spread fear amongst his disciples. Trump has taken up residency between the poor mans ears,and it is certainly full time. Hahaha.
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bingo.
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[Jim in CT]

Trump is the best friend Israel has had in the Oval Office in a long time. Also, his daughter Ivanka and her husband, both of whom Trump obviously adores, are Jewish.

It is beyond insane to suggest that Trump is to blame for anti-Semitic violence. You people just reflexively blame him for everything. It's incredible to see.

[Sea Dangles]

Pete gives a perfect example of hope. He hopes to find a way to pin any tragedy on Trump,including anti Semitic types. A genuine #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& who displays his hate accordingly.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Pete gives a perfect example of hope. He hopes to find a way to pin any tragedy on Trump,including anti Semitic types. A genuine #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& who displays his hate accordingly.
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Trump's speech has no impact, Interesting that you think that and yet claim he has a significant impact
Time will tell, but i don't see good things happening

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump's speech has no impact, Interesting that you think that and yet claim he has a significant impact
Time will tell, but i don't see good things happening

"Trump's speech has no impact"

I believe words matter a great deal, especially coming from a POTUS. But actions matter more. And I don't know what Trump has said or done, that would make anyone think that he genuinely wants people to hurt Jews. You are hearing things that he has never said, it's like Trump is the Rotweiller and you are Son Of Sam.

And since you obviously feel his speeches matter, how come you all pretend he has never condemned racism? To you, his words only matter when he says something stupid, but when he says something valuable, that is to be ignored.

I saw Trump drink a glass of water yesterday! You know who else drank water? Hitler, that's who! Therefore, Trump is Hitler!

^ That's just about where your side is.

[wdmso]

Again no mention from the faithful about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Another day,another conspiracy imagined. We are witnessing Trump torture Wayne on a daily basis and it’s a one sided match. Poor Wayne wakes up and creates a new conspiracy to spread fear amongst his disciples. Trump has taken up residency between the poor mans ears,and it is certainly full time. Hahaha.
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It’s sad how uninformed you are Reading the new might help .. please note I said might help
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Again no mention from the faithful about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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God help me, i will bite. who are the “influential conservatives” you refer to, who are calling for the slaughter of jews? please share? if you posted already, please post again.

You also keep suggesting that conservatives give Trump a pass. Not true.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Again no mention from the faithful about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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God help me, i will bite. who are the “influential conservatives” you refer to, who are calling for the slaughter of jews? please share? if you posted already, please post again.

You also keep suggesting that conservatives give Trump a pass. Not true.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Trump's speech has no impact"

I believe words matter a great deal, especially coming from a POTUS. But actions matter more.

Where did I say Trump was anti-Semitic, you always have to make it that people are victimizing your tribe.
There is an effect when Trump launches his daily diatribe about the evil whomevers that are ruining his and your world.

Robert Bowers specifically murdered Jews for supporting immigrant hordes sent to invade the country-the problem the President constantly mentions.
“I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered,” the alleged assailant wrote, moments before the murders. “Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
Trump missed his opportunity to silence his critics again by attacking.
He refuses to speak to all, only his victimized base is important.
One week to go

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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Again no mention from the faithful

Are you faithful to anything? Do you constantly mention things that disturb the narrative on which your faith is founded? Is it your responsibility in every instance to place Mea Culpas in the mouth of your faith?

Now if you have faith in nothing, why do you care so much?

about conspiracy theories spread by fox trump other conservatives and spread.by their social media feed And repeated in the shooter and the bombers social media postings as well ... even after being shown the written tweets. You guys still manage to insist they are not connected or had influence in the events of last week ... it’s amazing to see the verbal gymnastics on display... to avoid placing any responsibility or even the possibility of responsibility of influence. But omg if Maxine waters sent those tweets ... your heads would explode
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Your display of verbal gymnastics in this jumbled paragraph is a conspiracy theory accusing some whom you refer to as "you guys" of being implicit in conspiracy theories.