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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"More about his information blaming of the welfare system for the past 50 years for the current issues "

WDMSO, a lot of people agree with that. Not just welfare. But liberalism has played a role in the cultural and economic downfall of blacks in this country, I genuinely believe that. I don't believe it because I hate liberalism, that's backwards. It's because I believe (I know for a certainty) that liberalism has been disastrous, that's why I hate liberalism.

Liberals want blacks to stay on welfare, and to be angry at those that are responsible for their lot in life. Conservatives want to teach blacks how to help themselves, so they can escape poverty once and for all.

It's that simple. And you can't make it sinister, no matter how hard you, or Paul, try.

I dont have to make anything Sinister.. your doing fine all by yourself

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I dont have to make anything Sinister.. your doing fine all by yourself

Let me make sure I have this straight. When I look at what's going on in our cities, and if I conclude (1) blacks deserve better, and (2) whatever we have been doing for these people, it isn't working. If I conclude those two things, you say I am sinister.

Got it, that makes tons of sense, and it isn't crazy at all.

Again, instead of demonizing me, how about telling us what I said, exactly, that is incorrect??

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Let me make sure I have this straight. When I look at what's going on in our cities, and if I conclude (1) blacks deserve better, and (2) whatever we have been doing for these people, it isn't working. If I conclude those two things, you say I am sinister.

Got it, that makes tons of sense, and it isn't crazy at all.

Again, instead of demonizing me, how about telling us what I said, exactly, that is incorrect??

your message is the issue.. your very simplistic view on the reason and the method and manner on how the cities got the way they are and your only solution for a fix.. is to scream Republican ! They are and have always been part of the problem

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

your message is the issue.. your very simplistic view on the reason and the method and manner on how the cities got the way they are and your only solution for a fix.. is to scream Republican ! They are and have always been part of the problem

It's not simple, it's complicated.

It's actually simple, and understandable if you don't have any knowledge of events, to embrace liberalism. It's simple to say "it's good for the poor if we take from the rich and give to the poor, even give aid to the ones who are capable of working". I used to believe that, because it sounds un-assailable.

WDMSO, do you deny that we need to do something very different for poor blacks?

Again, you "tell" me I'm wrong, but you provide zero specifics. Just saying "you are wrong" isn't really evidence that I am actually wrong.


Daniel Patrick Moynihan was a very liberal Democrat senator from NY. Red his report on what he aid liberal welfare was going to do to blacks, and why. He wrote it 40 years ago. He was exactly right.



But then you look at what is happening, EVERYWHERE that is being tried. It's a disaster. So I conclude that it doesn't work.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

It's not simple, it's complicated.

It's actually simple, and understandable if you don't have any knowledge of events, to embrace liberalism. It's simple to say "it's good for the poor if we take from the rich and give to the poor, even give aid to the ones who are capable of working". I used to believe that, because it sounds un-assailable.

WDMSO, do you deny that we need to do something very different for poor blacks?

Again, you "tell" me I'm wrong, but you provide zero specifics. Just saying "you are wrong" isn't really evidence that I am actually wrong.


Daniel Patrick Moynihan was a very liberal Democrat senator from NY. Red his report on what he aid liberal welfare was going to do to blacks, and why. He wrote it 40 years ago. He was exactly right.



But then you look at what is happening, EVERYWHERE that is being tried. It's a disaster. So I conclude that it doesn't work.

Welfare payments vary by state, but the average family of four in the United States can receive as much as $900 per month. A single person may receive as much as $200 per month.

thats the reality anyone on welfare white or black are not living off 900 bucks a month no way no how .. but many of the Anti welfare people think they are getting much more then they are .. Some get section 8

I say stop the fraud.. but you cant because states wont hire people to stop the fraud ,, its cheaper to give out 200 a month checks

another issues is The word "welfare" has different meanings for different people. Many think it refers to cash payouts to people who aren’t working; others think it includes anyone who receives government assistance of any type.

Even our military need food stamps AKA welfare hence why its not easy or simple Because inner city Blacks are not the sole recipients of Welfare in the United States

[ecduzitgood]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Welfare payments vary by state, but the average family of four in the United States can receive as much as $900 per month. A single person may receive as much as $200 per month.

thats the reality anyone on welfare white or black are not living off 900 bucks a month no way no how .. but many of the Anti welfare people think they are getting much more then they are .. Some get section 8

I say stop the fraud.. but you cant because states wont hire people to stop the fraud ,, its cheaper to give out 200 a month checks

another issues is The word "welfare" has different meanings for different people. Many think it refers to cash payouts to people who aren’t working; others think it includes anyone who receives government assistance of any type.

Even our military need food stamps AKA welfare hence why its not easy or simple Because inner city Blacks are not the sole recipients of Welfare in the United States

Pretty interesting. What is your source I would like to research this also.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Welfare payments vary by state, but the average family of four in the United States can receive as much as $900 per month. A single person may receive as much as $200 per month.

thats the reality anyone on welfare white or black are not living off 900 bucks a month no way no how .. but many of the Anti welfare people think they are getting much more then they are .. Some get section 8

I say stop the fraud.. but you cant because states wont hire people to stop the fraud ,, its cheaper to give out 200 a month checks

another issues is The word "welfare" has different meanings for different people. Many think it refers to cash payouts to people who aren’t working; others think it includes anyone who receives government assistance of any type.

Even our military need food stamps AKA welfare hence why its not easy or simple Because inner city Blacks are not the sole recipients of Welfare in the United States

You need to add all the benifits together to get an accurate tally, other then that I agree with you and that is one of the reasons I am voting for change .
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