Will Obama pay a political price for his lies?

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The U.S. Departments of Health and Human Services, Labor and Treasury today issued a new regulation that makes good on President Obama’s promise that Americans who like their health plan can keep it."

I still have my health plan. No cancellation letter, so yes, they did make good on that promise.

Its not their fault that people with sketchy cheap plans are getting told they're getting cancelled by their health insurance company. It was the health insurance company that made that decision. Not the government.

Happy to see some of these #^&#^&#^&#^&ty PPO's that have been floating around finally going down the tube.

[Raider Ronnie]

Obama could put a gun to the head of any republican & pull the trigger on national TV and the #^&#^&#^&#^&ing liberal Moonbats would still worship him.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Obama could put a gun to the head of any republican & pull the trigger on national TV and the #^&#^&#^&#^&ing liberal Moonbats would still worship him.

Snort snort snort snort...

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by likwid

I still have my health plan. No cancellation letter, so yes, they did make good on that promise.

Its not their fault that people with sketchy cheap plans are getting told they're getting cancelled by their health insurance company. It was the health insurance company that made that decision. Not the government.

Happy to see some of these #^&#^&#^&#^&ty PPO's that have been floating around finally going down the tube.

Jim, this would be "self-centered"

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

Jim, this would be "self-centered"

I live in a house, therefore there is no such thing as homelessness.

I have a job, therefore the unemployment rate must be exactly 0.0%

I am bald, therefore I cannot fathom the existence of barber shops. Don't they know that no one needs their services?

[spence]

Originally Posted by likwid

I still have my health plan. No cancellation letter, so yes, they did make good on that promise.

Its not their fault that people with sketchy cheap plans are getting told they're getting cancelled by their health insurance company. It was the health insurance company that made that decision. Not the government.

Happy to see some of these #^&#^&#^&#^&ty PPO's that have been floating around finally going down the tube.

Yes, but those sketchy cheap plans were their sketchy cheap plans.

Ran across this today...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...obamacare.html

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

I still have my health plan. No cancellation letter, so yes, they did make good on that promise.

Its not their fault that people with sketchy cheap plans are getting told they're getting cancelled by their health insurance company. It was the health insurance company that made that decision. Not the government.

Happy to see some of these #^&#^&#^&#^&ty PPO's that have been floating around finally going down the tube.

"did make good on that promise"

No, he didn't. Because I don't recall Obama saying that only you would get to keep your plan. If he had said that, he would have kept that promise. But what he said, was that everyone who liked their plan would be able to keep it. Likwid, if you still maintain that he kept that promise, you are far beyond help.

"It was the health insurance company that made that decision. Not the government."

Absolutely, 100% wrong. Obamacare included new minimum coverage limits that plans had to offer. Obamacare rendered many existing plans illegal. Thus, those plans were forced to non-renew their insureds. Try making that wrong! Get some facts before you start suggesting that Obama had no hand in this.

I don't feel ethically compelled to pay for Sandra Fluke's rubbers. If she wants to fornicate, she can do it on her own dime. Why stop at the birth control? If I have to pay for her condoms when the time is right, why not require me to pay for the dinner and the movie (most likely a vegan dinner followed by a Michael Moore flick) that set the tone for the evening's festivities?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Absolutely, 100% wrong. Obamacare included new minimum coverage limits that plans had to offer. Obamacare rendered many existing plans illegal. Thus, those plans were forced to non-renew their insureds. Try making that wrong! Get some facts before you start suggesting that Obama had no hand in this.

Well, you're not really right either. The insurance companies make the decision to terminate the old plans. They can always adjust the plan to comply...or not make significant changes to grandfathered plans either. Certainly though the law is influencing the behavior.

Funny thing is the notices being reported aren't kicking people off insurance, they're to shift them onto other plans. I can't believe how the Right Wing media got this story so wrong????

I don't feel ethically compelled to pay for Sandra Fluke's rubbers. If she wants to fornicate, she can do it on her own dime. Why stop at the birth control? If I have to pay for her condoms when the time is right, why not require me to pay for the dinner and the movie (most likely a vegan dinner followed by a Michael Moore flick) that set the tone for the evening's festivities?

I thought Rush Limbaugh's Sandra Fluke remarks were some of the most ugly and vile things he's ever said...that you'd choose to parrot them surprises me. I actually thought you were better than that Jim.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, you're not really right either. The insurance companies make the decision to terminate the old plans. They can always adjust the plan to comply...or not make significant changes to grandfathered plans either. Certainly though the law is influencing the behavior.

Funny thing is the notices being reported aren't kicking people off insurance, they're to shift them onto other plans. I can't believe how the Right Wing media got this story so wrong????


I thought Rush Limbaugh's Sandra Fluke remarks were some of the most ugly and vile things he's ever said...that you'd choose to parrot them surprises me. I actually thought you were better than that Jim.

-spence

"They can always adjust the plan to comply"

Yes, they can. But then it's not the same plan. And the ability to keep the current plan, is what Obama promised. You're not spinning his way out of that demonstrable lie.

"the notices being reported aren't kicking people off insurance, they're to shift them onto other plans"

Wrong. The regs are rendering the current plans illegal. And most folks can't get into a new Obamacare plan, because with 3.5 years and a jillion dollars,. the website they came up with is a POS. Obamacare is thus increasing the number of uninsured, which is pretty ironic.

Sandra Fluke is a parasite and a shameless skank. I'm not parroting Rush Limbaugh, whose show I have literally never heard. That I happen to agree with Rush on this topic does not mean I am parroting him, that's my own conclusion based on the empirical evidence.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Wrong. The regs are rendering the current plans illegal. And most folks can't get into a new Obamacare plan, because with 3.5 years and a jillion dollars,. the website they came up with is a POS. Obamacare is thus increasing the number of uninsured, which is pretty ironic.

The changes aren't immediate...people aren't being kicked off and left with no insurance.

Sandra Fluke is a parasite and a shameless skank. I'm not parroting Rush Limbaugh, whose show I have literally never heard. That I happen to agree with Rush on this topic does not mean I am parroting him, that's my own conclusion based on the empirical evidence.

Great minds must troll the same gutters then.

Why you'd call her a "shameless skank" is beyond me. Do you know ANYTHING about her personal life?

Perhaps you should run this one by your wife.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Why you'd call her a "shameless skank" is beyond me. Do you know ANYTHING about her personal life?

Perhaps you should run this one by your wife.

-spence

I know she wants to fornicate, and that she wants me to pay for it. That tells me everything I need to know about her.

My wife, who was captain of the Union college rugby team, would describe her in words that would get her booted off this site. If you are so simple-minded that you think that all women think exactly alike, you don't know much about women, do you? I went to church yesterday, and I saw many women who are vehemently opposed to everything Sandra Fluke stands for.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by likwid

I still have my health plan. No cancellation letter, so yes, they did make good on that promise.

Its not their fault that people with sketchy cheap plans are getting told they're getting cancelled by their health insurance company. It was the health insurance company that made that decision. Not the government.

Happy to see some of these #^&#^&#^&#^&ty PPO's that have been floating around finally going down the tube.

Why UUU putting down people with less costly plans?....some people can not afford a larger plan....yours is probaly paid for by the company U work for....people bought plans that they could afford on their own

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Why UUU putting down people with less costly plans?....some people can not afford a larger plan....yours is probaly paid for by the company U work for....people bought plans that they could afford on their own

You mean just like the people having their plans cancelled? Carry on.

[justplugit]

I still would like to know, where in the Constitution does it allow the Govt. to decide what you need for yourself, and if what your buying doesn't come up to their standards, you have to buy what they tell you to or pay a penalty?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by justplugit

I still would like to know, where in the Constitution does it allow the Govt. to decide what you need for yourself, and if what your buying doesn't come up to their standards, you have to buy what they tell you to or pay a penalty?

When the Supreme Court was bought and declared it a tax and not a penalty .
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

When the Supreme Court was bought and declared it a tax and not a penalty .
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Yeah, that pesky liberal Roberts appointed by Obama......

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Yeah, that pesky liberal Roberts appointed by Obama......

You're half right as usual
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Yeah, that pesky liberal Roberts appointed by Obama......

Yeah, that pesky whatever (progressive/neo-con/establishment Republican/independent/goofy or bribed?/whatever) Roberts appointed by quasi-progressive/compassionate conservative/mixed bag/whatever (oh yeah that dumb as a rock) Bush. The labels really matter,don't they? Let us not pay attention to the actual constitutionallity of Roberts' decision, lets use shifty labels to end the discussion.

Actually, Roberts' calling it a tax is not found in the Constitution. The Constitution prescribes two specific taxes that the federal gvt. can impose and a third specific type, the direct income tax, was added by ammendment. There is no general, unspecified tax allowed by the Constitution. The Obamacare tax does not fit into any of the three specific types of taxes listed in the Constitution. Roberts justifying his decision by the government's power to tax implies there is a general, unlimited power to tax. There is no such power in the Constitution given to the federal government. Why he did it only he knows. If he felt personally that it was the moral thing to do, or that if was the best social or economic answer to medical costs, or if thuggish politicos threatened to expose some deep dark horrible secret about him or his family, only he knows. But none of those motivations are judicially justified.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by likwid

You mean just like the people having their plans cancelled? Carry on.

I know U believe in Obama and believe like him that policies R being cancelled because they R inferior to his debacled plan ....U know he is a liar.... cancellations of his doing... where insurance companies would not cover condoms or abortions does not mean people had bad policies....some of them cancelltions had great policies....UUUU should explain it to this lady Edi Littlefield.... and your president bullied this person....if all of yours or partially paid for by a company UUU may be losing yours next year....and he blames the insurance companies

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...71710423780446

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

I know U believe in Obama and believe like him that policies R being cancelled because they R inferior to his debacled plan ....U know he is a liar.... cancellations of his doing... where insurance companies would not cover condoms or abortions does not mean people had bad policies....some of them cancelltions had great policies....UUUU should explain it to this lady Edi Littlefield.... and your president bullied this person....if all of yours or partially paid for by a company UUU may be losing yours next year....and he blames the insurance companies

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...71710423780446

You know, before you start swinging and patting yourself on the back, you should make sure you know what you're talking about. Maybe use paragraphs, and intelligible language.

If you read the article, she lost her insurance almost a year ago, before the mandated date. Not now. Why is this news now? Oh right, it fits your agenda *now*. So United long pulled out of Cali after announcing it, what? Oh almost a year prior! So it was a known fact it was going away.

Do you take people in when they lose their house to foreclosure when they knew they were going to lose it for a year? No, you tell them "too effing bad you leech!"

But this is about cancer. Cancer is bad, everyone knows someone who's died of cancer.

As far as my personal insurance, I won't be losing mine, we've long changed plans with BCBS that fit the model for Obamacare. And infact its less expensive than my prior insurance. Clean the mud off your face.

As far as my beliefs in the system, I don't trust it, sorry to burst your bubble. And I think people who throw around "oh I know YOU trust him" are complete losers. Enjoy being on ignore.