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Old 08-12-2015, 09:51 AM   #1
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Have Hillary's chickens come home to roost?

News reported today that Hillary turned over her server to the State Dept.
Remember , "There were No classified e mails on my computer."? Well it was reported there was classified documents and 2 Top Secret e mails too.

Maybe she just forgot from getting over the TBS she got from the sniper fire?

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Old 08-12-2015, 10:16 AM   #2
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I thought I read that when the emails where sent that they weren't classified?
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Old 08-12-2015, 10:27 AM   #3
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I thought I read that when the emails where sent that they weren't classified?
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Old 08-12-2015, 11:10 AM   #4
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I thought I read that when the emails where sent that they weren't classified?
That was what she said a few weeks ago. That may have simply been her lie de jour. It is being reported that the information was tagged as classified when she had the emails on her server. We need to find out if that's true, and if so, she can tell us which part of the "vast right wing conspiracy" is responsible for this latest moral lapse.
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That was what she said a few weeks ago. That may have simply been her lie de jour. It is being reported that the information was tagged as classified when she had the emails on her server. We need to find out if that's true, and if so, she can tell us which part of the "vast right wing conspiracy" is responsible for this latest moral lapse.
The State Department disputes that the emails were classified at that time.

"Department employees circulated these emails on unclassified systems in 2009 and 2011 and ultimately some were forwarded to Secretary Clinton," said State Department spokesman John Kirby. "They were not marked as classified."
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I guarantee that information passes through email (including non-government servers) all the time before it's categorized as classified or top secret. It's quite likely the person sensing failed to tag it or even that they didn't realize significance until a later date.
I guarantee you there was classified information on that server. What is worse, I can guarantee you that between the Russians and Chinese reading our mail through her server, and the the 2 years of access to our OPM records (they did), they have a significant ability to read our thoughts and intentions. Maybe Obama isn't such a bad president after all. Since the Russians and Chinese know what he is going to do before he goes to do it they could counter and intellectual superiority of our almighty Obama - real or imagined.

Mix these with the compromise of JCS secure systems and you have perhaps the biggest IC failure in decades since well into the Cold War.

The entire server was a security risk and hackable.

This is such a breach of security that if any of us had done something half as bad we would be locked away.

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Old 08-12-2015, 11:12 AM   #7
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Maybe she just forgot from getting over the TBS she got from the sniper fire?
If she gets the nomination, I pray to God that the GOP nominee spits that lie in her face every other sentence. How did that not end her career.

That, and she denied Bill was cheating on her, but instead he was being framed by the "vast right wing conspiracy". If she truly believed that, she's to stupid for the job. If she didn't believe that, then she's too dishonest.
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I guarantee that information passes through email (including non-government servers) all the time before it's categorized as classified or top secret. It's quite likely the person sensing failed to tag it or even that they didn't realize significance until a later date.
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I guarantee that information passes through email (including non-government servers) all the time before it's categorized as classified or top secret. It's quite likely the person sensing failed to tag it or even that they didn't realize significance until a later date.
"I guarantee that information passes through email (including non-government servers) all the time "

Maybe. Maybe she did nothing that they don't all do. But she denied it. Does everyone else lie about doing it? If it turns out she lied, that's worth knowing, isn't it?

Furthermore, it's my understanding that it's now illegal to put classified info on a non-secure server, and there didn't used to be a law against that. I absolutely could be wrong there, though.
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I guarantee that information passes through email (including non-government servers) all the time before it's categorized as classified or top secret. It's quite likely the person sensing failed to tag it or even that they didn't realize significance until a later date.
Do presidential candidates routinely lie about getting coming under sniper fire, Spence?
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She is the friggin Secretary of State....pretty much every e-mail she sends is of a sensitive nature......even if it is an RSVP for lunch, it shows the movement of a top US official and should be, at the very least treated as unclassified but sensitive.

Sorry, but she is an idiot for having a non-secure e-mail server.....don't care who thinks otherwise.

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i agree it was stupid - but from what I read there were no classified or top secret emails that where sent. I'm waiting for the OP to come back and maybe provide a link to article he read.
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She is the friggin Secretary of State....pretty much every e-mail she sends is of a sensitive nature......even if it is an RSVP for lunch, it shows the movement of a top US official and should be, at the very least treated as unclassified but sensitive.

Sorry, but she is an idiot for having a non-secure e-mail server.....don't care who thinks otherwise.
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i agree it was stupid - but from what I read there were no classified or top secret emails that where sent. I'm waiting for the OP to come back and maybe provide a link to article he read.
Almost everything was secret, as for specific items, at least two in the released emails were reclassified is "TOP SECRET" and if the linked article is to be, well beyond top secret

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nati...e30714762.html

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The inspector general for the Intelligence Community notified senior members of Congress that two of four classified emails discovered on the server Clinton maintained at her New York home contained material deemed to be in one of the highest security classifications - more sensitive than previously known.
That would indicate 2 emails - of a small pool of emails according to CNN - are above TOP SECRET which would indicate compartmentalized classified information that might include things like satellite imagery or stuff NOFORN (no foreign nationals).

So, this is a small set of emails from the small set released by the State Department, of the less than half of emails HC gave to State, after deleting more than half of the files.

This is big and it has been said so for some time but nobody wants to care. The fact that the server was not properly secured means that the potential exists for thousands of emails were possible classified. Anyone else would go to a long time of making little rocks out of big rocks.

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This is big and it has been said so for some time but nobody wants to care. The fact that the server was not properly secured means that the potential exists for thousands of emails were possible classified. Anyone else would go to a long time of making little rocks out of big rocks.
"nobody wants to care"

Her numbers are tanking, and the Maoist Bernie Sanders is ahead of her in NH. I wouldn't say nobody cares. Not as many as should care. Her ratings for trustworthy are low, but it's unfathomable that they aren't precisely 0...or 1, counting Spence.

"Anyone else would go to a long time of making little rocks out of big rocks"

I think it's established that her recent predecessors did the same thing. But as I stated, I think (could be wrong!) that it's now illegal to do what she did, whereas before it was stupid but legal. But the laws don't apply to the Clintons, never have.

I would love, love, love to know what Biden's team is thinking. How can he not run? The DNC cannot let Sanders get the nomination, and he has all the momentum right now.

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So, this is a small set of emails from the small set released by the State Department, of the less than half of emails HC gave to State, after deleting more than half of the files.

This is big and it has been said so for some time but nobody wants to care. The fact that the server was not properly secured means that the potential exists for thousands of emails were possible classified. Anyone else would go to a long time of making little rocks out of big rocks.
I would venture to say that 99% of the e-mails on that server were, at the very least, Unclassified/FOUO (For Official Use Only). Which means only for people with a "Need to Know"

Don't think Chinese Hackers fall into that category.....

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just think about the kinds of things that other candidates have been run out of contention for...that this woman is even a marginal thought as a potential US President is laughable and frightening, she's a disaster ....what's the "state of the dem's"?? this disaster, a socialist dinosaur, biden and chaffee(dumb and dumber)....not crazy about most of the GOP but they sure look great next to the dem's line up of losers
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not crazy about most of the GOP but they sure look great next to the dem's line up of losers
Have you given Ben Carson a look? I don't think he has a prayer, but my God, the guy is impressive. He went to Harlem yesterday, and told people in Harlem (talk about going into the belly of the beast) and told them that it's not white republicans who are to blame for their problems, but rather the liberal policy "of not showing us respect, not treating us like equals, but patting us on the head and treating us like pets. That's what happens when they don't respect you, but take care of you, so that in turn, you will take care of them". Heroically, he likened liberal policies to Lyndon Johnson's famous statement "if we give these n's free stuff, they'll vote for us for 200 years". He also said that the only solution is to embrace the only values that matter, family and faith.

Brave, and very intellectually honest.
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Hillary Clinton will get the nomination she may even become president. I will in fact make a bold prediction that who ever raises the most money from large corporate interests will win the presidency. She is winning the money race. We will hear politicized arguments about women's rights, women's rights to choose, women's health, increased minimum wage etc. all of the apologists, unions, etc will say why she is great. At the end of the day we will all be sold down the river again. The silent majority of individuals who have zero time to crusade for a candidate that is the lesser of all evils but better for the country will lose again. It sucks but it is the way of the land. Sold to the highest bidder. We are being force fed lines of BS in this country based on the needs of large corporate interest. If any one thinks democrats and republicans differ in this regard sorry you are a moron.

The only fly in the ointment will be whether or not Trump or Sanders decides to run as an indie candidate taking votes from one of the two ruling parties.
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It's now being reported (not confirmed I don't think) that she had emails on her personal server classified as Sensitive Compartmentalized (SCI), which I think is higher than Top Secret.

It's also being reported that the classified info on her personal server was not flagged as classified when she received it. But that they WERE flagged as classified at the state department. Meaning, someone erased the classification, and then forwarded the emails to her personal server. That's a couple of felonies right there, just ask David Petreaus.

That, of course, explains her carefully parsed statement that she never received emails on her server that were classified at the time she received them on her server. Never mind that they were tagged as classified (or higher) just before they were sent to her server. That's not a concern to her.

Lucy, ju got some splainin' to do...

It's not possible that someone sent classified stuff to her personal server (it's an internet based server for Christ's sake) without knowing what they were doing. The only people who have access to that stuff, are trained on how to handle it, and what happens if you fail to comply.

This just rose to a whole new level.

And my bet is, she'll blame it, once again, on the "vast right wing conspiracy". Every TV station except one will ignore it.

I am DYING to know what Biden's team is thinking.
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The weekend is here - this is closed until Monday at 8:00.
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Trump is way way more dangerous.

Imagine #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney with a cocaine addiction and a verbal turrets syndrome running for president and you have Trump.

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Trump is not going to be the nominee. 75% of those polled support someone else. He's only in the lead, because right now, there are 85 "someone elses" to choose from. As the field narrows, the non-Trump vote will consolidate, and his position will drop. Guaranteed.
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Spence, how do you wrap your mind around this statement by Hilary?

"I never sent or received any classified or top secret e mails on my server?
Seriously.

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Spence, how do you wrap your mind around this statement by Hilary?

"I never sent or received any classified or top secret e mails on my server?
Seriously.
It means never sent or received any classified or top secret emails on her server.

If information passed through her email that was later classified that doesn't mean she sent or received. I doubt she'd be making that statement without her attorney's doing a careful scrub of the content.

Also, classification isn't a black or white subject. It's often quite subjective...
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It means never sent or received any classified or top secret emails on her server.

If information passed through her email that was later classified that doesn't mean she sent or received. I doubt she'd be making that statement without her attorney's doing a careful scrub of the content.

Also, classification isn't a black or white subject. It's often quite subjective...
Actually, classification is pretty concrete. As are the rules that prohibit most of it being on even the less secure Federally protected networks, let alone a private server in a residence. If even part of what is being reported is true, this is a significant breech of security.

If your IT people did this with important business emails at the company you strategically message for, they would be fired. And that information, relatively speaking, is not important.

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Actually, classification is pretty concrete. As are the rules that prohibit most of it being on even the less secure Federally protected networks, let alone a private server in a residence. If even part of what is being reported is true, this is a significant breech of security.
How classified information should be handled is pretty concrete, but how it becomes classified in the first place is quite subjective. With this specific case, when it became classified is being completely misreported given the current information.

While I'm sure we should (and now do) have laws to prevent this kind of behavior, I still haven't seen any real evidence that undermines her argument of convenience or that laws were broken.

We'll see if the FBI determines this a little or big issue...
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It means never sent or received any classified or top secret emails on her server.

If information passed through her email that was later classified that doesn't mean she sent or received. I doubt she'd be making that statement without her attorney's doing a careful scrub of the content.

Also, classification isn't a black or white subject. It's often quite subjective...
Spence, I think we also now know, that classified emails were stripped of their classified status, and then sent to her server. That is more than one felony.

Hence her carefully worded statement that she never sent or received emails that were classified at the time they were sent to her server. But I think it's basically settled that her statement is only true because someone committed felonies to make it true.

Top secret and compartmentalized aren't very subjective. If she can't tell what's at that level, she's not qualified to swim at the deep end of the pool.
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