Have Hillary's chickens come home to roost?

[Jim in CT]

OK, the inspector general's office is commenting here about two emails that were not only classified, biut were classified as top secret.

"the overall classification of those two emails remains unchanged. Both emails were classified when they were created and remain classified now."

This seems to contradict Hilary's statement that she received no emails that were classified at the time she received them. Unless the classification was changed at the State Department, which I think would be a crime, since only the Agency that developed the information can change the classification, and neither of these 2 were developed by State.

I'd be curious to know what The Dad Fisherman thinks, since (1) he seems to know a lot about this, and (2) he isn't blinded by either side's ideology.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015.../?intcmp=hpbt1

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I'd be curious to know what The Dad Fisherman thinks,

first question I would want to know is how did it "Jump" Networks? A TS network isn't simply connected/or has the ability to send e-mails to a non-secure network. That usually means that someone had to transfer the docs on purpose. That's a HUGE No-No....

I would also think that someone who has access at the Originating Agency would have to be the one to initiate it. its not like someone with no access can just "Go Get It"

You would think this would broaden the Investigation to the Originating Organization.....follow the trail

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

first question I would want to know is how did it "Jump" Networks? A TS network isn't simply connected/or has the ability to send e-mails to a non-secure network. That usually means that someone had to transfer the docs on purpose. That's a HUGE No-No....

I would also think that someone who has access at the Originating Agency would have to be the one to initiate it. its not like someone with no access can just "Go Get It"

You would think this would broaden the Investigation to the Originating Organization.....follow the trail

Or it may have never jumped networks.

A big factor with this entire topic is how different agencies collect and classify information. Let's say the State Department and CIA gather the same info at the same time. CIA thinks it should be classified and State doesn't. CIA uses classified network and State doesn't. Years later it's reviewed and the CIA says it was classified. State doesn't agree.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Or it may have never jumped networks.

A big factor with this entire topic is how different agencies collect and classify information. Let's say the State Department and CIA gather the same info at the same time. CIA thinks it should be classified and State doesn't. CIA uses classified network and State doesn't. Years later it's reviewed and the CIA says it was classified. State doesn't agree.

The article doesn't say that anyone is claiming that State simultaneously came up with the same info, and chose not to classify it.

From the article..."In both emails, the State Department did not generate the intelligence, and therefore did not have classification authority"

Hilary is sticking to her claim that it's all about differing, subjective classification between different agencies. Well, if State generated the same info and chose not to classify it, then Hilary should be vindicated. If State in fact did independently generate the same information and chose not to classify it, that should be very sinmple to determine. But the quote I just pulled from the article, seems to contradict that assertion.

Let's find out!

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Or it may have never jumped networks.

A big factor with this entire topic is how different agencies collect and classify information. Let's say the State Department and CIA gather the same info at the same time. CIA thinks it should be classified and State doesn't. CIA uses classified network and State doesn't. Years later it's reviewed and the CIA says it was classified. State doesn't agree.

So on what planet does information on North Koreas Nuclear Capabilities not carry any classification level....
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So on what planet does information on North Koreas Nuclear Capabilities not carry any classification level....
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

LMAO. Right, yoga classes, Chelsea's wedding plans, North Korea's nuclear capabilities, you know, the usual personal stuff.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So on what planet does information on North Koreas Nuclear Capabilities not carry any classification level....
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Spenceworld

[DZ]

TS/SCI compromise would put a normal person (peon) away for a while. Even if it was not from her... it was on her server which makes her an accomplice. She acknowleges using a thumb drive which has been a no no on Government systems for quite a few years now. Likely scenario - she downloaded emails off a secure system at State onto thumb drive - takes thumb drive home and uploads what she thinks are unclass emails and ooops - too late.

[spence]

Originally Posted by DZ

Likely scenario - she downloaded emails off a secure system at State onto thumb drive - takes thumb drive home and uploads what she thinks are unclass emails and ooops - too late.

I believe the thumb drive was just used to create a backup of her server for her attorneys to have.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe the thumb drive was just used to create a backup of her server for her attorneys to have.

So it was just used for making copies of e-mails, she shouldn't have had on her personal server in the first place, so she could give them to other people to open up on their non-government secured networks.....Brilliant.

I guess that's no big deal then....maybe she should just put'em up on instagram then.

[scottw]

she's toast........and draft Biden is the response?...gotta hand it to the dems.....while the repubs are sorting things out with their field of many, they don't have anyone running that is as dishonest as Hillary, as dumb as Biden or as distant from America's founding principles as Bernie

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

she's toast........and draft Biden is the response?...gotta hand it to the dems.....while the repubs are sorting things out with their field of many, they don't have anyone running that is as dishonest as Hillary, as dumb as Biden or as distant from America's founding principles as Bernie

Trump, while successful, is a clown. But I think there are soime great talents in that field, and Ben Carson impresses me more and more every time he open his mouth.

[JohnR]

Keep this thread on the email server, the other thread for your derailment and roll back the personal attacks

[justplugit]

Update- 20% of e mails read with 355 Classified e mails found on Hilary's email.
Bob Woodward thinks this is as serious as Watergate.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Update- 20% of e mails read with 355 Classified e mails found on Hilary's email.
Bob Woodward thinks this is as serious as Watergate.

That's not what he said. He said it reminds him of watergate. The idea that a private conversation could become public...

They also didn't find 355 "classified" emails on her server. The emails were suggested to be reviewed by other agencies…which means none were likely marked classified.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not what he said. He said it reminds him of watergate. The idea that a private conversation could become public...

They also didn't find 355 "classified" emails on her server. The emails were suggested to be reviewed by other agencies…which means none were likely marked classified.

Last I heard, there were 350 emails with classified info. The State Dept found these in a sample of 20% of the emails on her server. The State Dept won't say whether or not the emails were flagged as classified.

Spence, nothing to see here? Nothing at all?

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not what he said. He said it reminds him of watergate. The idea that a private conversation could become public...

They also didn't find 355 "classified" emails on her server. The emails were suggested to be reviewed by other agencies…which means none were likely marked classified.

Suggested, interesting word.
Spence, if you say so it must be true.
Prolly my failing hearing and eyesight.

[JohnR]

And this is the stuff they filtered out.

And this is the second server - who knows what was on the previous server (current server at time of this catching fire was Exchange Server 2010 - not securely patched BTW - which was not available until a lot later).

This is either a lack of seriousness on the nature of sensitive and classified information or a complete eff you to all us little people. Anyone else would go to jail for putting this on a non secure yet STILL government server - she put it on a public server, on the public Internet, managed by a company not certified by government IT office that certifies external vendors to manage systems that contain sensitive information - let alone classified info.

Anyone else would do Jail

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not what he said. He said it reminds him of watergate. The idea that a private conversation could become public...

They also didn't find 355 "classified" emails on her server. The emails were suggested to be reviewed by other agencies…which means none were likely marked classified.

ok, reword in a context that you will be able to justify voting for this person as president of the United States of AMERICA who has clearly shown lack of good judgement. is that what I am reading here? And you think Trump is dangerous, well I don't know which is worse