You guys are disappointing me

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I’m confused is what you’re saying that anytime the media reports they should find somebody who did something equally as immoral, illegal or stupid as Trump has done for a comparison since what seems to happen is anytime Trump does something somebody says but Hillary or Obama or but Bill did this
The media reacts the way they do because for years Trump got attention by ranting and campaigning as a birther, about Presidents playing golf, taking vacations, not having gun control, infidelity etc. Funny how they are all things he has or is doing but he bought off his base with smoke and mirrors so they are upset that the media dares to say the Emperor has no clothes.
You probably think he has a nice head of hair.
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"I’m confused "

I wish the media would be honest with political candidates, regardless of party. When a candidate does something good, give him credit. When he does something bad, criticize him for it. But hold both parties to the same standard. Foxnews gives a pass to Republicans. Every other media outlet is 100% in the tank for democrats.

John McCain adopted a girl from, I think, Bangladesh, when she was a baby. An amazing act of love and generosity, correct? During the 2008 campaign, the New York Times ran a story suggesting that the girl was actually his biological daughter from an extramarital affair. It wasn't true. This is a man who got kicked in the ribs every day for 4 years, who never regained the full use of his arm after getting shot down, and that's the thanks he gets because he is a Republican. That's what I am talking about.

When Palin was running for VP, the media ran stories that her Down Syndrome baby, was actually not her child, but her grandchild. The media used a Down Syndrome baby as a club to use against someone with whom they disagree.

When Hilary lied about getting shot at in Bosnia, how many in the media held her accountable?


If you have no issue with that, you have that right. But a lot of people got fed up with the unfair attacks, so we (not me, but my side) nominated a guy who doesn't even blink when people treat him this way.

"The media reacts the way they do because for years Trump "

Oh, you are saying media bias is Trump's fault!! I see!!

The media abandoned honesty long before Trump entered politics, when the Iraq War went south. They hated Bush, and their determination to destroy him, was more important than their professional integrity. They haven't even tried to regain that integrity. CNN gave debate questions ahead of time, to their preferred candidate. Some "news" network.

Trump is not the reason why the media was so in the tank for Obama in 08 and 12.

"You probably think he has a nice head of hair"

You know absolutely nothing about me. There's very little about the way he conducts himself, that I like. But I agree with him on policy, far more often than I agree with Hilary. So I plugged my nose and voted for him. It wasn't pleasant, but it was very simple.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

John McCain adopted a girl from, I think, Bangladesh, when she was a baby. An amazing act of love and generosity, correct? During the 2008 campaign, the New York Times ran a story suggesting that the girl was actually his biological daughter from an extramarital affair. It wasn't true. This is a man who got kicked in the ribs every day for 4 years, who never regained the full use of his arm after getting shot down, and that's the thanks he gets because he is a Republican. That's what I am talking about.

Actually that was a whisper campaign started by Karl Rove.

When Palin was running for VP, the media ran stories that her Down Syndrome baby, was actually not her child, but her grandchild. The media used a Down Syndrome baby as a club to use against someone with whom they disagree.

A story that was broken by the mainstream media giant the Anchorage Daily News!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Actually that was a whisper campaign started by Karl Rove.

[QUTOE]When Palin was running for VP, the media ran stories that her Down Syndrome baby, was actually not her child, but her grandchild. The media used a Down Syndrome baby as a club to use against someone with whom they disagree.

A story that was broken by the mainstream media giant the Anchorage Daily News![/QUOTE]

Karl Rove was smearing Sarah Palin, just after McCain selected her? For what purpose?

And if that's true, was the rest of the media obligated to run with it?


Do you remember Joe The Plumber?

Obama invited him to ask a question...
He asked a question...
Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer...

So instead of telling us why Obama's answer was the best answer for the country, the left mercilessly attacked the guy who they blamed for making Obama look bad.

That's what I am talking about. Always demonize the other guy, instead of discussing the merits of what each side believes. It wasn't Obama's fault, it was Joe's fault, for accepting Obama's invitation to ask a question. How dare he?

It's a vile tactic, yet sadly effective. The people finally had enough. And you still don't get it.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

A story that was broken by the mainstream media giant the Anchorage Daily News

Karl Rove was smearing Sarah Palin, just after McCain selected her? For what purpose?

And if that's true, was the rest of the media obligated to run with it?


Do you remember Joe The Plumber?

Obama invited him to ask a question...
He asked a question...
Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer...

So instead of telling us why Obama's answer was the best answer for the country, the left mercilessly attacked the guy who they blamed for making Obama look bad.

That's what I am talking about. Always demonize the other guy, instead of discussing the merits of what each side believes. It wasn't Obama's fault, it was Joe's fault, for accepting Obama's invitation to ask a question. How dare he?

It's a vile tactic, yet sadly effective. The people finally had enough. And you still don't get it.

You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint.
Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up to distract from his own failings and inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled, like the bed he slept on in Moscow.

Here's a little time capsule for you, it refers to Sarah Palin, but I would think it still applies.
Expressing the strongest public reservations about the conservative star made by any senior Republican figure, Mr Rove said it was unlikely that voters would regard someone starring in a reality show as presidential material.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Karl Rove was smearing Sarah Palin, just after McCain selected her? For what purpose?

No, Jim just can't keep his own rants straight. Two different election cycles.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

No, Jim just can't keep his own rants straight. Two different election cycles.

The claim that Trig was her grandson, was made right after she got selected as the VP candidate in 2008. My facts are very in order.

So if you can tell me why Karl Rove would be sabotaging the McCain/Palin ticket just after the 2008 Republican Convention, I'm all ears.

Here's a link to the rumors that Bill Maher was helping to spread, in September 2008.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...y-her-grandson

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The claim that Trig was her grandson, was made right after she got selected as the VP candidate in 2008. My facts are very in order.

So if you can tell me why Karl Rove would be sabotaging the McCain/Palin ticket just after the 2008 Republican Convention, I'm all ears.

Here's a link to the rumors that Bill Maher was helping to spread, in September 2008.

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...y-her-grandson

You do know Bill Maher is a comedian, perhaps a political one, but still not necessarily any more truthful than the originator of Little Adam Schiff, Little rocket Man (who he is now going to meet with, that is really scary), Lying Ted, Sloppy Steve, Pocohantas, Crooked Hillary, Little Marco, Crazy Megyn and Honeybunch.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Karl Rove was smearing Sarah Palin, just after McCain selected her? For what purpose?

And if that's true, was the rest of the media obligated to run with it?


Do you remember Joe The Plumber?

Obama invited him to ask a question...
He asked a question...
Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer...

So instead of telling us why Obama's answer was the best answer for the country, the left mercilessly attacked the guy who they blamed for making Obama look bad.

That's what I am talking about. Always demonize the other guy, instead of discussing the merits of what each side believes. It wasn't Obama's fault, it was Joe's fault, for accepting Obama's invitation to ask a question. How dare he?

It's a vile tactic, yet sadly effective. The people finally had enough. And you still don't get it.

You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint.
Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up to distract from his own failings and inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled, like the bed he slept on in Moscow.

Here's a little time capsule for you, it refers to Sarah Palin, but I would think it still applies.
Expressing the strongest public reservations about the conservative star made by any senior Republican figure, Mr Rove said it was unlikely that voters would regard someone starring in a reality show as presidential material.[/QUOTE]

"You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint"

Never said anything like that in this thread, not even close. I said the media has a huge left-leaning bias. And frustration over that bias, helped Trump. You disagree?

"Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up "

You don't get it. People are tired of the double standard. That's the only reason why they are still part of the conversation, evidence of the glaring double standard.

"inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled"

That's Trump's entire agenda? He hasn't done anything in terms of the economy that's helping people? Nothing?

I'm not a huge Sarah Palin fan, there's all kinds of legitimate ways to criticize her. But you absolutely dodged the point I made, which is that the media used her Down Syndrome baby against her. You have no comment on that, apparently. Fine.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint.
Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up to distract from his own failings and inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled, like the bed he slept on in Moscow.

Here's a little time capsule for you, it refers to Sarah Palin, but I would think it still applies.
Expressing the strongest public reservations about the conservative star made by any senior Republican figure, Mr Rove said it was unlikely that voters would regard someone starring in a reality show as presidential material.

"You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint"
Here you go
"Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer..."


Never said anything like that in this thread, not even close. I said the media has a huge left-leaning bias. And frustration over that bias, helped Trump. You disagree?

"Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up "

You don't get it. People are tired of the double standard. That's the only reason why they are still part of the conversation, evidence of the glaring double standard.
Trumps Gaslighting seems to have removed your ability to think critically

"inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled"

That's Trump's entire agenda? He hasn't done anything in terms of the economy that's helping people? Nothing?
Trumps effect on the economy is far less than he claims, look at the monthly GDP and employment for the last ten years and show me the magic, now remember that when he was campaigning all those numbers were BS. Now they have miraculously become real and he is taking credit for anything possible to move attention away from the "witch hunt"

I'm not a huge Sarah Palin fan, there's all kinds of legitimate ways to criticize her. But you absolutely dodged the point I made, which is that the media used her Down Syndrome baby against her. You have no comment on that, apparently. Fine.[/QUOTE]
You seized on a dot in time that has long been forgotten to prove a nonexistent point. A media source becomes The media, if you repeat lies often and long enough they become true,
ask Donald Trump if it works

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

"You keep assuming that what the Conservative news says is America's viewpoint"
Here you go
"Obama answered the question...
America was repulsed by the answer..."


Never said anything like that in this thread, not even close. I said the media has a huge left-leaning bias. And frustration over that bias, helped Trump. You disagree?

"Most Americans would have forgotten Hillary, Obama and certainly Bill by now if the person in office did not keep bringing them up "

You don't get it. People are tired of the double standard. That's the only reason why they are still part of the conversation, evidence of the glaring double standard.
Trumps Gaslighting seems to have removed your ability to think critically

"inability to have an agenda other than to make sure any thing that his predecessor did was eliminated or soiled"

That's Trump's entire agenda? He hasn't done anything in terms of the economy that's helping people? Nothing?
Trumps effect on the economy is far less than he claims, look at the monthly GDP and employment for the last ten years and show me the magic, now remember that when he was campaigning all those numbers were BS. Now they have miraculously become real and he is taking credit for anything possible to move attention away from the "witch hunt"

I'm not a huge Sarah Palin fan, there's all kinds of legitimate ways to criticize her. But you absolutely dodged the point I made, which is that the media used her Down Syndrome baby against her. You have no comment on that, apparently. Fine.

You seized on a dot in time that has long been forgotten to prove a nonexistent point. A media source becomes The media, if you repeat lies often and long enough they become true,
ask Donald Trump if it works[/QUOTE]

"America was repulsed by the answer...""

I see. You are denying that when Obama said we need to "spread the wealth around" that America hated that answer. If you deny that, it's very difficult to see how we can have a rational discussion. Polling showed that answer was unpopular, which is why the liberal establishment focused its wrath on the guy who asked the question. Deny that all you want. But that's what happened.

"Trumps Gaslighting seems to have removed your ability to think critically"

I have been harshly critical of Trump.

"Trumps effect on the economy is far less than he claims"

Oh, I see.

You said hi sonly agenda is to make people forget Obama. He picked a superb Supreme Court Justice, he signed popular tax changes into law, he removed all kinds of burdensome business regulations.

"look at the monthly GDP and employment for the last ten years and show me the magic"

Unemployment isn't low? That's what you are saying?

"You seized on a dot in time that has long been forgotten to prove a nonexistent point"

Which is it? Is my example old, or is it irrelevant? Using a Down Syndrome baby as a political weapon obviously means nothing to you, as long as your side gains. You have the right to that opinion. I think it's disgusting.

I could have pointed to a million examples of media bias (CNN giving debate questions to Hilary comes to mind). I chose ones I found to be particularly offensive.

"You do know Bill Maher is a comedian, perhaps a political one"

I wasn't legitimizing Bill Maher. The only reason I posted that was to show the date of the rumors., it had nothing to do with Maher. Spence seemed to be saying that the rumors about Palin's grandson were not part of the 2008 presidential election, and obviously they were. So I'll ask again, why on Earth, would Karl Rove sabotage the McCain/Palin ticket, in the fall of 2008? Karl Rove wanted Obama to win? That's what Spence believes? In any event, you guys seemed to think those rumors came about in an election other than the 2008 election. It was in 2008.