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Old 01-17-2020, 08:52 AM   #61
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Nothing he says bothers me, it’s just who he is. He offers little more than insults, predictable one liners, or his emoji burgers.
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Old 01-17-2020, 08:53 AM   #62
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Another new low from the most vile person on this forum (even Dozer when he shows up).
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Nothing he says bothers me, it’s just who he is. He offers little more than insults, predictable one liners, or his emoji burgers.
I could offer predictions but that is already covered.
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A good essay on Trump.

Trump’s Evil Is Contagious

The president has shown us exactly what happens when good people do nothing.

Timothy Egan

By Timothy Egan

It passed with the usual shrug by the usual handmaidens of hatred when the president of the world’s most powerful democracy threatened to commit war crimes by bombing Iranian cultural sites — the kind of barbarism practiced by the Taliban and rogue-state thugs.

After being told that he would be in violation of Geneva Convention rules that the United States had helped to create back when America was actually great, President Trump relented, but still wondered: Why not?

The warlord-in-chief had already gone out of his way to protect a Navy SEAL member who’d been accused of committing war crimes. And what kind of man did the president upend the military code of justice for?

“The guy is freaking evil,” one fellow SEAL told investigators, referring to Special Operations chief Edward Gallagher, who was convicted of posing with the corpse of a teenage boy who’d been killed in his custody. After the presidential intervention, the formerly shamed serviceman was posing at Mar-a-Lago.

On any given day, Trump is vindictive, ignorant, narcissistic, a fraud — well, his pathologies are well known. But it’s time to apply the same word to him as the brave Navy man did to the renegade in his unit. Under Trump, the United States is a confederacy of corruption, driven by a thousand points of evil. And that evil is contagious.

We all grew up hearing an ageless warning about public morality: that the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.

The presumed outcome is reassuring, a story we tell ourselves. But in the last three years, that homily has been proven right, in the country where it was not supposed to happen. The Trump presidency has shown just how many ostensibly good people will do nothing, and how evil, when given a free rein at the top, trickles down.

When Trump retweeted a Photoshopped image of the two most important Democratic leaders of Congress dressed in Islamic garb in front of the Iranian flag, there was no chorus of condemnation from his side. Here was a graphic lie, a cheap defamation, the kind of dirty little trick that politicians usually give to the felon operating under the radar. For Trump, it was just another Monday.

Was it politics, or evil, when candidate Trump smeared a Gold Star family in 2016? Was it a mere shift in public policy, or evil, when Trump allowed people acting in our name to put children in cages and separate them from their mothers?

Was it mere theatrics to revel in a chant of “Lock her up,” about Hillary Clinton, who has now been exonerated, twice, by federal investigators? Was it normal for the 44th successor of a president who could not tell a lie, to lie more than 15,000 times?

Trump has so desensitized us that a day without a round of blunt force cruelty from the White House is newsworthy. And now it all comes to a boil in the impeachment trial. The facts are not in dispute: Trump tried to force a struggling democracy into doing his political dirty work for him. He tried to squeeze a foreign power into meddling in our election. What is very much in doubt is whether enough good people will do something.

In the process of this high crime, Trump broke the law, as a nonpartisan congressional watchdog reported Thursday. The greater evil is the violation of the lofty purpose written into this country’s founding documents. The smaller evils are the Republican senators who know the president violated his oath and deserves to be impeached, but don’t have the guts to say so.

“Do not, as my party did, underestimate the evil, desperate nature of evil, desperate people,” writes Rick Wilson, the Republican operative and witty Never-Trumper, in “Running Against the Devil,” his new book. “There is no bottom. There is no shame. There are no limits.” (as demonstrated by SD many times here).
As for the contagion of evil, you need not look far. In Texas this month, Gov. Greg Abbott said his state would become the first to refuse to take in even a small number of legal, fully vetted refugees. These are people who’ve been approved by the federal government for asylum, after being displaced by war, famine or persecution. In the past, people from Vietnam, Cuba and Africa have been welcomed, and have gone on to become some of our finest citizens.

A handful of citizens, the Catholic Church, some members of Congress, objected. “Accepting refugees with open arms — giving without keeping score — is who we are as Americans,” tweeted Representative Pramila Jayapal, Democrat of Washington, herself an immigrant.

Sorry, that’s not who we are as Americans in the Trump era. When the hate flag is flying, most of Trump’s followers have stood up and saluted.


Here’s the two-step that all good people must take now: First, realize the level of depravity that has taken over the White House, and second, fight accordingly.

“Do not come to this fight believing that the Trump team views any action, including outright criminality, as off limits,” writes Wilson. This doesn’t mean you have to cheat, lie, or coerce. But it means you do have to fight, or be counted among the do-nothings who allowed evil to flourish.
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Interesting opinion
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So Trump is evil, and navy seal gallagher is evil because
one anonymous person said so.

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Paul, come on, you know how strained TX is because if the illegals that cross from Mexico?

Let’s be very clear. The author you quoted is saying it’s “evil”, to say “ look, we have more immigrants than
our budget and infrastructure can accommodate already. Let another state take some in, or give us money to support them.”

That’s an evil thing to say?

I don’t see it. the author makes some good points, but also goes way way to far to attack trump. but to your side, there’s no such thing as going too far to hit trump.
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So Trump is evil, and navy seal gallagher is evil because
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You recite the party lies as usual and have strange heroes.

The Navy SEALs showed up one by one, wearing hoodies and T-shirts instead of uniforms, to tell investigators what they had seen. Visibly nervous, they shifted in their chairs, rubbed their palms and pressed their fists against their foreheads. At times they stopped in midsentence and broke into tears.

“Sorry about this,” Special Operator First Class Craig Miller, one of the most experienced SEALs in the group, said as he looked sideways toward a blank wall, trying to hide that he was weeping. “It’s the first time — I’m really broken up about this.”

Video recordings of the interviews obtained by The New York Times, which have not been shown publicly before, were part of a trove of Navy investigative materials about the prosecution of Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher on war crimes charges including murder.

They offer the first opportunity outside the courtroom to hear directly from the men of Alpha platoon, SEAL Team 7, whose blistering testimony about their platoon chief was dismissed by President Trump when he upended the military code of justice to protect Chief Gallagher from the punishment.

“The guy is freaking evil,” Special Operator Miller told investigators. “The guy was toxic,” Special Operator First Class Joshua Vriens, a sniper, said in a separate interview. “You could tell he was perfectly O.K. with killing anybody that was moving,” Special Operator First Class Corey Scott, a medic in the platoon, told the investigators.

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You recite the party lies as usual and have strange heroes.

The Navy SEALs showed up one by one, wearing hoodies and T-shirts instead of uniforms, to tell investigators what they had seen. Visibly nervous, they shifted in their chairs, rubbed their palms and pressed their fists against their foreheads. At times they stopped in midsentence and broke into tears.

“Sorry about this,” Special Operator First Class Craig Miller, one of the most experienced SEALs in the group, said as he looked sideways toward a blank wall, trying to hide that he was weeping. “It’s the first time — I’m really broken up about this.”

Video recordings of the interviews obtained by The New York Times, which have not been shown publicly before, were part of a trove of Navy investigative materials about the prosecution of Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher on war crimes charges including murder.

They offer the first opportunity outside the courtroom to hear directly from the men of Alpha platoon, SEAL Team 7, whose blistering testimony about their platoon chief was dismissed by President Trump when he upended the military code of justice to protect Chief Gallagher from the punishment.

“The guy is freaking evil,” Special Operator Miller told investigators. “The guy was toxic,” Special Operator First Class Joshua Vriens, a sniper, said in a separate interview. “You could tell he was perfectly O.K. with killing anybody that was moving,” Special Operator First Class Corey Scott, a medic in the platoon, told the investigators.
"You recite the party lies "

Take a poll of everyone the guy served with, I'll abide by that. I am not swayed by a reporter cherry-picking opinions of this guy to serve his narrative.
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You take a poll. The guys on his own Seal team where honorable enough to out him. The Seals don't want him back.
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You take a poll. The guys on his own Seal team where honorable enough to out him. The Seals don't want him back.
"The guys". You mean two quoted in the article? How about everyone else?

Paul, I don't know much about the case other than that it was very weird. But if a few guys said Gallagher was a solid leader and a decent man, this author would have ignored that because it didn't fit his agenda of attacking Trump.

I'm not trying to prove anything about Gallagher, I don't need to take a poll. If you're gong to say he's "evil", a sample of two guys doesn't show that with any credibility whatsoever. Hundreds of SEALs will know who he is.
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"The guys". You mean two quoted in the article? How about everyone else?

Paul, I don't know much about the case other than that it was very weird. But if a few guys said Gallagher was a solid leader and a decent man, this author would have ignored that because it didn't fit his agenda of attacking Trump.

I'm not trying to prove anything about Gallagher, I don't need to take a poll. If you're gong to say he's "evil", a sample of two guys doesn't show that with any credibility whatsoever. Hundreds of SEALs will know who he is.
nope more than 2. look it up.

You're the one who said take a poll.
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I think smoking gun is a bit much. He has problems as a credible witness, and a lot will come down to how much can be verified.

It certainly begs the question; Rudy claims in asking for the meeting with Zelinsky, that the request was with the consent and knowledge of POTUS.
So was Trump lying when he said he didn't know what Rudy was doing in Ukraine or was Rudy lying about it then?

Plus there is a tangled web if Nunes was meeting with this guy as claimed. Nunes is trying to deflect and pull back, which is not a good look for him.
Bryan, I'll ask you because you're very rational...how many times do you listen to the same exact people say "we've got him THIS time", before you just stop listening?
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Bryan, I'll ask you because you're very rational...how many times do you listen to the same exact people say "we've got him THIS time", before you just stop listening?
If Moscow Mitch ever allowed witnesses and documents, you might get real close to sealing the deal. Personally, I'd be ok if the senate doesn't remove him from office, provided they look at all the facts, bring in all the witnesses that have first hand knowledge and get all the applicable documents on the record; at least then it's an outcome the public can deal with at the polls.
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If Moscow Mitch ever allowed witnesses and documents, you might get real close to sealing the deal. Personally, I'd be ok if the senate doesn't remove him from office, provided they look at all the facts, bring in all the witnesses that have first hand knowledge and get all the applicable documents on the record; at least then it's an outcome the public can deal with at the polls.
The house is charged with making the case.

But I'm fine with the democrats calling Bolton, and the Republicans calling Hunter Biden. Let's investigate, I have no issue with that.
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Paul S, I have to say this about Gallagher, it's unusual for his teammates, even a small number, to speak out against him so vehemently, so something weird is going on there. But it's also a fact that another serviceman confessed to choking the guy to death that Gallagher was charged with killing (that's my understanding), so they didn't have their facts sorted out. Of the servicemen he got pardoned, Gallagher was the one the seemed off to me. I don't know if he's "evil".
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Paul S, I have to say this about Gallagher, it's unusual for his teammates, even a small number, to speak out against him so vehemently, so something weird is going on there. But it's also a fact that another serviceman confessed to choking the guy to death that Gallagher was charged with killing (that's my understanding), so they didn't have their facts sorted out. Of the servicemen he got pardoned, Gallagher was the one the seemed off to me. I don't know if he's "evil".
I think it was like 1/3 of his company came out against, that's not a few disgruntled guys who just didn't like him.

Regardless, the bigger issue with this story is how Trump just inserted himself in the process for political purposes. The guy could have been cleared legally, let the military court of justice do it's work.
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The house is charged with making the case.
And now we see that the ranking Republican member of the House Intel committee looks to have been a co-conspirator in what they were investigating.

Any issue with that Jim?
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And now we see that the ranking Republican member of the House Intel committee looks to have been a co-conspirator in what they were investigating.

Any issue with that Jim?
i said, let’s investigate it all, including how hunter biden got that job.

Any issue with that Spence? or are we only allowed to investigate republicans?

Spence, how many sad and
solemn occasions have you been to (funerals, perhaps), where they handed out commemorative pens?

i answered your question, grow a pair and answer mine.
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Bryan, I'll ask you because you're very rational...how many times do you listen to the same exact people say "we've got him THIS time", before you just stop listening?
The same people? I scan three different news sites most mornings. One is WSJ, so I try to not pigeon hole into one side. But don't confuse 'they didn't get him' with 'Trump did nothing wrong'.....

On this, I listened to this straight from Parnas' mouth.

As I said, it all needs to be verified/corroborated but based on Trump's history of lying about relationships (he can downplay that he was with him all the time, but it sure looks like he knows him) and Rudy's sketchy activities in Ukraine and elsewhere none of it is farfetched.

If nothing was below board, a lot of this should be easily cleared up with all of the folks with key info (Bolton, OMB personnel etc) are allowed to testify.

As Spence reiterated what I said earlier, it is pretty concerning if Parnas really was meeting with Nunes, given his role on impeachment. The timing of this meetings, if they occurred, is now very interesting.... That should be easily verifiable with phone records.

Nunes is trying to spin this, but if you are in his position on the impeachment team, I would have to ask how many random people, which Nunes is basically saying Parnas was, would be calling on his private cell.
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Regardless, the bigger issue with this story is how Trump just inserted himself in the process for political purposes.
when obama and clinton pardoned people, did you fret that they were. “just inserting themselves in the process for political purposes”?

Answer: no

Reason: you’re motivated by partisan politics, 100% of the time.

you’re the exact mirror image of sean hannity, and somehow you don’t see it. When have you ever criticized liberalism or credited conservatism? can you point to a single time?
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Jeff expects more from others than he does from himself. Very simple,somebody ruined him at a young age.
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when obama and clinton pardoned people, did you fret that they were. “just inserting themselves in the process for political purposes”?

Answer: no

Reason: you’re motivated by partisan politics, 100% of the time.

you’re the exact mirror image of sean hannity, and somehow you don’t see it. When have you ever criticized liberalism or credited conservatism? can you point to a single time?
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Perhaps you’d like to enlighten us to how many judicial cases they interfered with. Oh and you forgot to mention Bush.
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Obama never interfered in a case? Is that a joke? Every single
time obama perceived a black was wronged by a white, he opened his big fat mouth before the facts came out.

The Cambridge police acted stupidly, if i had a son he’d look like that criminal over there...

Can you ever just answer a challenging question? You ask fair and challenging questions constantly, but you never ever answer them.

Here - how many sad and solemn occasions have you ever been to, where they passed out commemorative pens to mark the occasion, emblazoned with the name of the person responsible?

The answer, of course, is zero. Pelosi framed it that way, dishonestly, for political reasons. But you only care about political motivations, when demonstrated by republicans.
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They looked pretty nice ��
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