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[TheSpecialist]

What's amazing is Toyota moves into a rural area and provides thousands of high paying jobs and some people that get those jobs still complain. They should quit and I'm sure someone else will fill there spot.

Buckman why do you think Toyota pays those wages, are they really generous? They paid them to keep near the UAW wages, but pay crappier beni's all to keep a tight hold on their employees. If it wasn't for the UAW, the people at TOYOTA would be making 10 bucks an hour.
There is alot on the internet about Toyota and how they treat their employees. They have a high rate of heart, and stress related deaths in Japan. What the workers in Kentucky are complaining about are instances where someone got injured at work, and because of it they were demoted, given a crappy job on a crappy shift, lost income etc. Are these not legitimate gripes? I am sure if this happened to you , you would be pissed.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

What the workers in Kentucky are complaining about are instances where someone got injured at work, and because of it they were demoted, given a crappy job on a crappy shift, lost income etc. Are these not legitimate gripes? I am sure if this happened to you , you would be pissed.

If they were injured due to their own negligence, then I'd demote them too.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

If they were injured due to their own negligence, then I'd demote them too.

Exactly!! Don't promote mediocre or piss poor performers. But if they are union workers, as long as they can barley do the job, you can't fire them. So instead of 5 super star workers needed to get the job done, you've got 10 semi-skilled slackers, s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g all the profits. Untie their hands let them keep the best and fire the rest. If you don't perform, you shouldn't have the damn job. Work needs more motivation on the workers part, so don't pay the the same standard to all workers, but of course then you'd have you'd have Sharpton and Farakan protesting you for discrimination.... If people would think that maybe it's not discrimination, its people not performing at their job..... But God forbid you fire a minority, woman, or gay person for not doing their job........

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

Buckman why do you think Toyota pays those wages, are they really generous? They paid them to keep near the UAW wages, but pay crappier beni's all to keep a tight hold on their employees. If it wasn't for the UAW, the people at TOYOTA would be making 10 bucks an hour.
There is alot on the internet about Toyota and how they treat their employees. They have a high rate of heart, and stress related deaths in Japan. What the workers in Kentucky are complaining about are instances where someone got injured at work, and because of it they were demoted, given a crappy job on a crappy shift, lost income etc. Are these not legitimate gripes? I am sure if this happened to you , you would be pissed.

It's kinda funny that they treat their employees the same in Japan, where they don't have these unions. And many of the problems associated with overwork are on the part of the employee, trying to succeed and maybe advance as they advance because of success and not by seniority like union systems. "Well, you are more qualified for the job, but retard Sam (sorry if your name is Sam) is basically qualified and he's been here longer than you, or he's a minority or woman, so we have to promote him."

If you have to do more work to compete with the next guy, who then does more work to beat you.....kind of a vicious circle of guys trying to outdo each other. And not to mention the 3 seasonal bonus's employees get in Japan (the new years bonus is a month to 3 months pay) Almost all employers give great bonus's and they all pay for employee health care.

I lived in Japan for 8 yrs and wife is Japanese, just so you know where I get this info from.

If you don't perform in this type of workplace, you won't succeed. That's the big difference with the unions, If you are the best guy, your benefits or bonus's can't increase any more than the lowest guy (your job level) that can barely do the job. It greatly benefits the non performers (barley working enough not to get fired) while holding back the super stars. If everyone one gets the same benefits and same pay, why work harder than the next guy?

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

That's the big difference with the unions, If you are the best guy, your benefits or bonus's can't increase any more than the lowest guy (your job level) that can barely do the job. It greatly benefits the non performers (barley working enough not to get fired) while holding back the super stars. If everyone one gets the same benefits and same pay, why work harder than the next guy?

Sounds kinda like a good defenition of socialism.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

I lived in Japan for 8 yrs and wife is Japanese, just so you know where I get this info from.

Lucky bastage.