Snowbama says illegals have rights to fair wages too

[UserRemoved1]

wait a minute....they're not supposed to be here....screw these asswipes that take the money and send it back to Mexico or Brazil or El Slaveador or S Africa or Nigeria HERE is what is wrong with this economy.

Obama Labor Chief: Illegals Have a Right to Fair Wages | The FOX Nation

[spence]

I think the point is that US Law requires fair pay and doesn't discriminate based on status. This is probably important so that employers have even more legal pressure not to run sweat shops with poorly paid illegal workers.

Making people aware of this puts more pressure on employers, and if employers can't pay illegal workers any less perhaps they have less incentive to hire them in the first place for those jobs Americans are willing to take. I'd note that in some industries (like agriculture) I believe that illegal workers are actually compensated pretty well because their output is so high. Some areas have shortages of illegal workers during peak seasons.

Given global trends for population declines, there will be even more competition in the coming for good immigrant labor in the future.

Today people are calling to kick them all out, but get ready, in a few decades we might actually be trying to lure more of them in.

-spence

[scottw]

if they aren't here...they can't be hired, now can they?...on the other hand...if you give them drivers licenses, healthcare and other government handouts...they get all cozy and feel like they're' entitled to stay...and even complain and organize marches if they aren't getting what they want...

can you show me the "US LAw" that says an employer must pay an illegal fairly and not discriminate based on status?....

[Joe]

Call up Texas Roadhouse, Chilli's, Applebees, and bitch to the management.

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

if they aren't here...they can't be hired, now can they?...on the other hand...if you give them drivers licenses, healthcare and other government handouts...they get all cozy and feel like they're' entitled to stay...and even complain and organize marches if they aren't getting what they want...

Pretty silly statement when they are here and will be here for the future.

can you show me the "US LAw" that says an employer must pay an illegal fairly and not discriminate based on status?....

As I said, US Law requires non discrimination and fair wages, but doesn't call out status. I'm sure the constitutionality of these laws could be challenged, but until this happens the law would be applicable in its current form applying to all workers.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Pretty silly statement when they are here and will be here for the future. Actually, they seem to run like hell when a state decides to get tough and enforce the law

As I said, US Law requires non discrimination and fair wages, but doesn't call out status. I'm sure the constitutionality of these laws could be challenged, but until this happens the law would be applicable in its current form applying to all workers.
that's BS..an employer illegally employing illegals is legally required to pay them fair wages?...unbelieveable
-spence

this is almost laughable if it weren't so sad!

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Joe

Call up Texas Roadhouse, Chilli's, Applebees, and bitch to the management.

yeah, and who is standing in the way at the State House of any attempt to enforce the laws and implementing e-verify?

RI E-Verify legislation dies in Senate

Associated Press - June 2, 2010 6:55 AM ET

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) - A state Senator's proposal to require private companies to use the federal E-Verify database to check the immigration status of potential employees has died before it came up for a vote.

The Providence Journal reports that Sen. President M. Teresa Paiva Weed ruled that Tuesday that "the ayes have it," on what she said was a non-debatable motion by Senate Majority Leader Daniel Connors to return the bill to the Judiciary Committee.

The rarely used rule almost certainly kills the bill for this year.

Sen. Marc Cote had pushed the measure. He said Weed's move "stifled political debate."

The House has passed E-Verify legislation two years in a row, only to have Senate bills die in committee.

Supporters say the bill would crack down on illegal immigration. Opponents say it harms small businesses.


Information from: The Providence Journal, http://www.projo.com/

funny that in this instance the Projo only mentions opponents saying it harms small business...in other articles there are many other opponents mentioned for far different reasons...

Opponents said the bill will stir “animus” against immigrants — legal and illegal — and wrongly puts the state in the business of enforcing federal immigration law. Others argued that the measure would unduly burden small businesses.

The bill would require any employer with three or more workers to use a pilot E-Verify program to determine whether the new hire is legally authorized to work in this country. The E-Verify program uses an online government database. An identical measure passed in the House by a 53-to-17 vote last week.

The legislation mirrors a key component of Governor Carcieri’s recent executive order cracking down on illegal immigration. The order in part requires state agencies and vendors to run similar checks against the same database.

Sen. Marc A. Cote, D-Woonsocket, said companies that use E-Verify “would have a tremendous benefit” for the “good faith” it would establish, and would shield such companies against claims of illegal hiring practices.

Cote said last year’s raid on the Michael Bianco Inc. plant in New Bedford, Mass., counters opponents’ arguments that undocumented immigrants do not take jobs away from Americans authorized to work in this country. More than 350 people were arrested in that immigration raid.

“Within days after the Bianco raid, four hundred people” who are legally authorized to work applied from the New Bedford area to fill those jobs, Cote said.

Sen. Charles J. Levesque, D-Bristol, opposed the bill.

“I have no doubt this will fuel animus that is not becoming of our state,” Levesque said. “The governor is engaging in a war of attrition against the immigrant community — especially illegals … that type of war of attrition is abhorrent to any of us.” Levesque is a sponsor of a bill that would restrict inquiries into an individuals’ immigration status.

sorry Paul...no pictures this time either

[Fishpart]

I agreee they have a right to fair wages WHERE THEY CAME FROM!!!

[PaulS]

A process needs to be set up where they register, get a job, get a decent wage for that job, pay taxes, get decent housing and then at the end of the growing season, they go home.

[Fly Rod]

They that come to this country illegally are here illegally.

They have no right to work here illegally

They have no green card so they can not work legally in this country, so they should not be paid a wage.

They are here illegally and do not deserve a welfare check nor are they entitled to education.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

A process needs to be set up where they register, get a job, get a decent wage for that job, pay taxes, get decent housing and then at the end of the growing season, they go home.

we already have this process, they just choose to ignore it and break in...and...they've got all of the advocates waiting for them when they get here to guide them through ins and outs of getting assistance...

[Raven]

when you drive to new york on the mass pike.....

you look out the window and think....

man thats allot of trees and forested land out there
and that is your perspective of "vastness"
it takes about 3 to 4 hours...
depending on traffic and speed

when you drive North from San Diego to California's
northern most towns...
it takes you a day and a half.
and it's ten times as wide.... than Mass.

that's just "one state" out west.
Texas takes 2 1/2 days to go across

[Joe]

A friend of mine went to DC, got an appointment with Sen Whitehouse and got him to sponsor legislation. He said it was much easier than he anticipated - remarkably easy.

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the point is that US Law requires fair pay and doesn't discriminate based on status. This is probably important so that employers have even more legal pressure not to run sweat shops with poorly paid illegal workers.

Making people aware of this puts more pressure on employers, and if employers can't pay illegal workers any less perhaps they have less incentive to hire them in the first place for those jobs Americans are willing to take. I'd note that in some industries (like agriculture) I believe that illegal workers are actually compensated pretty well because their output is so high. Some areas have shortages of illegal workers during peak seasons.

Given global trends for population declines, there will be even more competition in the coming for good immigrant labor in the future.

Today people are calling to kick them all out, but get ready, in a few decades we might actually be trying to lure more of them in.

-spence

Do you remember when the uproar occurred when Dona Karan of New York was taken to task because her Mexico factories paid substandard wages. The liberal gliterati was in an uproar. It hilarious now how many of those same people hire the illegal alien to do their lawns and nanny their kids and dont pay taxes on their wages because the illegals don't have SS #'s. The same hypocrites that that thought it was awful in the 80's with DKNY wages now hire all the same people.

[Joe]

Private citizens are supposed to ask the grass guy and the babysitter for proof of immigration status?