Obamacare cancelled by White House until 2015

[justplugit]

Great political move to soften the disaster until after the 2014 election.
This is a run away train that needs to be stopped by Congressional defunding.
A recent Fox poll shows 66% polled were against the plan up from 52% a year ago.
Even the sheeple are starting to take off their blindfolds.

[Raven]

dodging the bullet is the way many things are fixed easily avoiding the issue
by pulling the ole procrastination .....swept under the rug trick.

[FishermanTim]

Who will be blamed for this proverbial fustercluck?
How far back into presidential history will they go to pass the buck when this hits the fan?

Usually when any plan starts getting delayed, it's a sign that the plan won't work, won't save ANY money, cost people their jobs and cost 10 times the original estimate......kind of like the BIG DIG.

Yet here we are still being sold on this miracle plan from our revered political savior and his worthless flunkies...... sort of like the BIG DIG!

Hopefully the "sheeple" will wipe the obamagunk out of their eyes and see the man for what he truly is......inexperienced, unreliable and untrustworthy.

[Raven]

subject: politics as usual....

but this is hilarious
Christie threatened to use the f-bomb in GOP convention speech – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

[Jim in CT]

When the liberals in charge are the ones who decided to postpone the implementation until after the election, isn't that the same thing as admitting that even they realize that implementation hurts their chances of retaining the Senate, and isn't that the same thing as their knowing that it's a crappy idea?

This was Obama's baby, and even he sees that implementing it, will mean fewer votes? Doesn't that mean it was a lousy idea? And liberals here want to chime in?

[spence]

It's not cancelled, they just delayed one part of a provision. From what I've read it's not that big of a deal.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's not cancelled, they just delayed one part of a provision. From what I've read it's not that big of a deal.
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Let's try to be a little bit honest here.

The part being delayed, is the part that requires small and medium businesses to provide Obamacare to employees, or face fines. That piece of the bill impacts a huge number of Americans who own or work at small businesses.

Spence, if the administration concedes that implementing that part of the bill before a key election (Democrats defending 21 Senate seats, GOP only 14) is not in their best interests, isn't that tantamount to the administration conceding that it's a terrible idea?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The part being delayed, is the part that requires small and medium businesses to provide Obamacare to employees, or face fines. That piece of the bill impacts a huge number of Americans who own or work at small businesses.

That's not true. The year delay is for the entire mandate which exempts most small business. Also 96% of these employees are already covered by their employers.

Hence, not a huge deal.

Spence, if the administration concedes that implementing that part of the bill before a key election (Democrats defending 21 Senate seats, GOP only 14) is not in their best interests, isn't that tantamount to the administration conceding that it's a terrible idea?

No, it means the treasury department isn't ready to enforce it.
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[Fly Rod]

10 to 12 states have basically bowed out of Obama's healthcare due to the expansion of medicaid of which will leave the poor without insurance. If you take the government poverty level $11,400 single and $23,500 for family of four can only get coverage through obamacare medicaid expansion. Read the other day where 2 out of 3 poor people will not have insurance. Also the claim is that about 62 percent of young people will not get on board. there are other states that may bow out too leaving obama care in shambles.

What happened to Obamas promise that we would have coverage just like him???? I'm sure most of us remember that, sure one person will twist it and I wonder who that is.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not true. The year delay is for the entire mandate which exempts most small business. Also 96% of these employees are already covered by their employers.

Hence, not a huge deal.



No, it means the treasury department isn't ready to enforce it.
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"Also 96% of these employees are already covered by their employers"

Is it that high? if so, how do we have so many uninsured? Got data to support that?

" it means the treasury department isn't ready to enforce it"

They've had what, 3 or 4 years to get ready? So it's just a coincidence that the Obama administration took off the table, the issue that single-handedly led to an ass-whooping in the 2010 midterms, in advance of the 2014 midterms. Just a coincidence, nothing to see there?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Also 96% of these employees are already covered by their employers"

Is it that high? if so, how do we have so many uninsured? Got data to support that?

The majority of the employed in this country work for companies that have fewer than 50ees.

The centerpiece of the program is the individual mandate, not this piece.

I'm sure the midterm elections played a small part in the decision.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not true. The year delay is for the entire mandate which exempts most small business. Also 96% of these employees are already covered by their employers.

Hence, not a huge deal.



No, it means the treasury department isn't ready to enforce it.
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Spence, many of the employees already covered by their employers are going to end up on the Obamacare plan because they don't make enough money to continue with their employer sponsored plan.

You throw numbers out there that look nice for your argument, but you haven't done any research to know what the real ramifications of the plan are for both the employers and the employees.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Spence, many of the employees already covered by their employers are going to end up on the Obamacare plan because they don't make enough money to continue with their employer sponsored plan.

You throw numbers out there that look nice for your argument, but you haven't done any research to know what the real ramifications of the plan are for both the employers and the employees.

I located the problem...

Originally Posted by spence

From what I've read it's not that big of a deal.

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[spence]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Spence, many of the employees already covered by their employers are going to end up on the Obamacare plan because they don't make enough money to continue with their employer sponsored plan.

You throw numbers out there that look nice for your argument, but you haven't done any research to know what the real ramifications of the plan are for both the employers and the employees.

What does this have to do with a 1 year extension on the employee mandate?

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

From what I've read it's not that big of a deal.
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Spence, you been reading the comics again?

[justplugit]

Did it ever make any sense to change our whole Healthcare System to accommodate 10% of the population that didn't have insurance?
Of course not. There could have been a separate program for those folks similar to Medicare where a system is already tried and true.
Obamacare was done for one reason only, to expand the size and dependence on Big G. How could it ever be cheaper when they needed to add 16,000 IRS jobs to oversee it let alone all the other people programs, tracking programs and other expenses.
Companies that will now come into your business to work up a plan for your employee's to comply with Obamacare are already advertising on TV. $$$$
Small business's have no clue what to do except downsize to less then 50 employees or hire part time people.
Already Docs are not doing lab work from their offices as it's extra time and therefore you have to make another appt. and wait again to go to an outside lab for your blood work.The waiting times are already backing up both in offices and labs.

[spence]

Finally you're back to your old self of just stringing together random points

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Finally you're back to your old self of just stringing together random points

-spence

yup...you've got nothing

[spence]

I see, so the delay is a political move because small business employees are going to be hurt just before the election...or wait, it's because the government can't manage the massive influx of registrants.I thought the point was to create socialized medicine?

You can't have it both ways.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I see, so the delay is a political move because small business employees are going to be hurt just before the election...or wait, it's because the government can't manage the massive influx of registrants.I thought the point was to create socialized medicine?



-spence

oh it is.....but with public opinion on Obamacare right now so low and the realization that we've been lied to about just about everything related to Obamacare...and all of the other Obama messes and scandals....the prospect of the system unable to handle the masses clamoring for Obamacare because they've been booted or can't afford their insurance due to the mandates after all of the promises made and right before the midterms and a potential eviction of dems....it could spell ultimate disaster for Obamacare and a retreat from the goal of socialized medicine....can't believe I have to spell this out for you....

so we delay it a little bit, hope to maintain control of some of the hill and buy a little time...not the first time....remember the Keystone Pipeline ?....probably to bleep things up even further...the option of not delaying is not a good one if you are Obama or a dem up for re-election

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I see, so the delay is a political move because small business employees are going to be hurt just before the election...or wait, it's because the government can't manage the massive influx of registrants.I thought the point was to create socialized medicine?

You can't have it both ways.

-spence

Why the heck can't we have it both ways?

The notion that the delay is tied to the 2014 midterms, and the notion that the delay is due to the fact that the feds don't have the infrastructure yet, are not even close to being mutually exclusive. It's not necessarily one or the other. So nice try, but no cigar.

[justplugit]

So now the IRS, which will add 16,000 new employees to oversee Obamacare
does not want to be covered by it themselves. What does that tell you about
this program for the rest of us?
Senators Rubio, FL and Cruz TX are spearheading a group to exclude Obamacare
by defunding it from the budget in September. How else can you get rid of a program that no one knows it's entirety in it's 2,700 pages, large portions have been put off until 2015, small business doesn't know where they stand, and something like ,if my memory serves me, 62% of Americans don't want ?

[justplugit]

OK, something like 97% of Fed Govt. employees don't want it, Unions don't want it,
IRS doesn't want it and Congress will still have their own plan.
The only ones left are the rest of us and looks like there'll be no Festiveus.
Where are the defenders, and what is there to defend?
The silence is deafening.

[Raven]

shhh The President is Playing spades right now and cannot watch.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Raven

shhh The President is Playing spades right now and cannot watch.

Good lord...
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[Bronko]

I THINK he is referencing this....
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...id_748413.html

[spence]

Originally Posted by Bronko

I THINK he is referencing this....
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/...id_748413.html

I assumed so, had already saw it. Silly.

-spence