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Old 11-05-2019, 04:59 PM   #181
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Issa introduced new Whistleblower protection legislation in November 2011. Retaliating against whistleblowers is a crime.

Just what are Floridaman and his Trumplicans doing to this whistleblower?
Retaliation as defined by the whistleblower legislation is some kind of personnel punishment by the employer such as being transferred, denied a raise, have your hours reduced, be fired, blacklisted, demoted, transferred to a less desirable job, failing to rehire, denying benefits or any other act that would be seen as punishment.

Trumplicans have no ability to administer personnel punishment on the whistleblower. The Floridaman is not making a retaliatory personnel punishment.
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Old 11-05-2019, 05:19 PM   #182
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itís not all equal, but even non-trump corruption is worth looking at, at least to most people.

WDMSO, they were chanting ďimpeach the morherf*ckerĒ from day one. iím not saying heís innocent, but iím saying they are never going to stop digging, whether thereís reasonable cause or not.
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That may so . But what has he done . These things aren't made up they actually happened. Hes done it to himself
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Old 11-05-2019, 05:25 PM   #183
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right. potential corruption behind efforts to un-do a fair presidential election, nothing to see there.
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More conspiracy theories.

Next phase from Republicans it was quid pro quo. But not an impeachable offense.. as if theres an actual list
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Old 11-05-2019, 05:58 PM   #184
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Talking point itís all the evil dems have thought about, undoing an election, couldnít possibly have anything to do with the criminal impeachable behavior by our president. Itís just more of the same, here, on Fox aka Trump news and in any interviews of GOP senators. Itís like they all have a weekly briefing so the talking points are echoed by all. No point in debating at this point EVERY single supporter of Trump on this site is an echo chamber and they of course are entitled to their opinions, but everyone on the other side of the issues are pretty convinced of the wrong doing. Iíve chimed in less as I see this as just a merry go round making everyone dizzy, itís just going round and round.
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Old 11-05-2019, 07:51 PM   #185
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More conspiracy theories.

Next phase from Republicans it was quid pro quo. But not an impeachable offense.. as if theres an actual list
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quid pro quo, thatís not what biden did though. withholding aid until
ukraine did what he wanted. thatís not quit pro quo? have fun.

conspiracy theory? amazing you know that, yet neither Durham nor the IG have released a single detail yet. so how do you know itís an unfounded, baseless theory?

answer- all you care about is politics. facts o key matter when they serve your agenda.
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Old 11-05-2019, 09:44 PM   #186
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So after todayís reveals and tonights results do the Republican Senators feel safe in Trumptown or are they starting to think they should get out before it really becomes a suicide pact.
Tomorrow Floridaman will start throwing more people under the bus.
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Old 11-06-2019, 07:20 AM   #187
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Talking point itís all the evil dems have thought about, undoing an election, couldnít possibly have anything to do with the criminal impeachable behavior by our president. Itís just more of the same, here, on Fox aka Trump news and in any interviews of GOP senators. Itís like they all have a weekly briefing so the talking points are echoed by all. No point in debating at this point EVERY single supporter of Trump on this site is an echo chamber and they of course are entitled to their opinions, but everyone on the other side of the issues are pretty convinced of the wrong doing. Iíve chimed in less as I see this as just a merry go round making everyone dizzy, itís just going round and round.
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Old 11-06-2019, 08:13 AM   #188
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quid pro quo, thatís not what biden did though. withholding aid until
ukraine did what he wanted. thatís not quit pro quo? have fun.

conspiracy theory? amazing you know that, yet neither Durham nor the IG have released a single detail yet. so how do you know itís an unfounded, baseless theory?

answer- all you care about is politics. facts o key matter when they serve your agenda.
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Why do keep posting lies and revisionist history... on what biden did and why and who sanctioned it.( but a no appointed or elected lawyer doing Trumps bidding is ok with you. What an odd sense of right and wrong...is its all about reversing the election...or removing an unfit POTUS

So the attempt to impeach Clinton was which . Removing an unfit Potus or reversing an election

You speak about moving the goal post maybe you should ask trump supporters. To stop changing their stories [goalpost]
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Old 11-06-2019, 03:55 PM   #189
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this is hilarious
Keep the echo chamber up, hey Trump predicted how you'd behave long before now.
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Old 11-06-2019, 04:25 PM   #190
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Why do keep posting lies and revisionist history... on what biden did and why and who sanctioned it.( but a no appointed or elected lawyer doing Trumps bidding is ok with you. What an odd sense of right and wrong...is its all about reversing the election...or removing an unfit POTUS

So the attempt to impeach Clinton was which . Removing an unfit Potus or reversing an election

You speak about moving the goal post maybe you should ask trump supporters. To stop changing their stories [goalpost]
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What lie, specifically, am I telling, with the examples I cite? Please be specific. It's very easy to do lobe baseless insults. How about backing it up?

"but a no appointed or elected lawyer doing Trumps bidding is ok with you"

Ummm, it's pretty common for the executive branch to make policy decisions that are carried out be people not elected. Rahm Emmanuel never carried out orders for Obama when he was chief of staff? What are you even saying? That presidents can only delegate work to people who are elected?

"So the attempt to impeach Clinton was which '

He lied under oath, there is no question, we have DNA evidence. The bar association, probably the sleaziest group of pep[le you can ever find, decided he was too dirty to be a member, and he was disbarred.
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Old 11-06-2019, 04:27 PM   #191
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couldnít possibly have anything to do with the criminal impeachable behavior by our president. .
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Again, when they were saying "impeach the mother*cker" before his first day, a rational person would conclude they made their minds up first, then never stopped digging until they found something to hang their red hats on. That's not how it's supposed to work. STill doesn't mean their claims can't be valid, but at a minimum, standards have been changed, as democrats have done similar things and no one called them out on it, let alone suggested impeachment.
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Old 11-06-2019, 04:31 PM   #192
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Dig, what are you smoking, nobody needed to dig; Trumpís corruption is always in plain sight.
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Old 11-06-2019, 04:59 PM   #193
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This afternoon Colludy is claiming he was working as Floridamans defense lawyer, a short while ago he was working at the behest of the State Department.
ďThe investigation I conducted concerning 2016 Ukrainian collusion and corruption, was done solely as a defense attorney to defend my client against false charges, that kept changing as one after another were disproven.Ē
So thanks for admitting it was all for 45's personal gain and had nothing to do with the best interests of the United States.
Heís being represented by Costello. Costello is the lawyer who emailed Michael Cohen saying, ďSleep well tonight, you have friends in high places.Ē
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Old 11-06-2019, 05:00 PM   #194
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Keep the echo chamber up,
did someone else from the echo chamber say "this is hilarious"?
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Old 11-06-2019, 06:03 PM   #195
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What is not so funny, is Moscow Mitch proclaiming if the trial gets to the senate, Trump will not be removed. So the judge is also the jury, no fair trail or look at the evidence. Between the public testimony and the Stone trial and Rudyís trouble, Trump must not be getting any sleep.
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Old 11-06-2019, 09:37 PM   #196
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Trump has the local flakes acting like hamsters on a wheel. Great entertainment by the 3 stooges.
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Old 11-06-2019, 10:48 PM   #197
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I also found Meadows, Jordan and Nunes quite comical, Graham has had a few slapstick walkons too
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"I would like you to do us a favor though"
Donald Trump

"Was there a quid pro quo?.....The answer is yes"
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

"Get over it"
Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney

"Everyone was in the loop.....It was no secret."
Ambassador Gordon Sondland
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Old 11-07-2019, 07:45 AM   #198
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Rudy Haha

Time to get a new lawyer when he constantly gets you in trouble instead of getting you out of trouble.
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Old 11-07-2019, 09:31 AM   #199
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What lie, specifically, am I telling, with the examples I cite? Please be specific. It's very easy to do lobe baseless insults. How about backing it up?

"but a no appointed or elected lawyer doing Trumps bidding is ok with you"

Ummm, it's pretty common for the executive branch to make policy decisions that are carried out be people not elected. Rahm Emmanuel never carried out orders for Obama when he was chief of staff? What are you even saying? That presidents can only delegate work to people who are elected?

"So the attempt to impeach Clinton was which '

He lied under oath, there is no question, we have DNA evidence. The bar association, probably the sleaziest group of pep[le you can ever find, decided he was too dirty to be a member, and he was disbarred.
No answer

A unfit to be Potus

B undo an election

Its not that hard
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Old 11-08-2019, 09:15 AM   #200
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1) The new defense of Trump from Trumplicans is a joke.

Their claim now is that, yes, there may have been a quid pro quo, but you can't show Trump himself was behind it.

But the already known facts show this is steaming nonsense.

2) Go step by step.

Trump himself personally ordered the military aid frozen.

White House officials were ordered not to share details about it with lawmakers.

3) Giuliani publicly confirmed the whole plot as early as May, and continued to do so for months.

Here's an important quote from Giuliani:

ďI donít do anything that involves my client without speaking with my client.Ē

4) Pence himself directly delivered the message to Zelensky about the withheld military aid.

He said Zelensky needed to do more about "corruption."

But prior texts show that Ukraine had already been told the statement had to target Crowdstrike/Biden.

5) After all this, Trump's spinners are actually trying to argue that Sondland freelanced the extortion piece of the plot on his own.

"I would like you to do us a favor though"
Donald Trump

"Was there a quid pro quo?.....The answer is yes"
Ambassador Gordon Sondland

"Get over it"
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Thanks for the update,this is very important news to some.
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Old 11-09-2019, 04:31 AM   #202
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Wait. If the reason not to impeach Trump is because Ukraine got the aid and Trump didnít get his investigation, then why is Barr investigating the origins of the Russia investigation. Obviously it didn't prevent Trump from being elected and didn't succeed in removing him from office. No harm, no foul.
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Old 11-09-2019, 09:30 AM   #204
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The whistleblower is a disgrace to our country... and the whistleblower because of that should be revealed,"

And his lawyer who said the worst things possible two years ago, he should be sued, and maybe for treason."

Just another example of what happens when you don't bend the knee..
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The whistleblower is a disgrace to our country... and the whistleblower because of that should be revealed,"

And his lawyer who said the worst things possible two years ago, he should be sued, and maybe for treason."

Just another example of what happens when you don't bend the knee..
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Why is what Trump said (which was a response) somehow worse (or even inaccurate) than what the lawyer said? Wasn't what the lawyer said treasonous? Do you know what the lawyer said?
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The whistleblower is a disgrace to our country... and the whistleblower because of that should be revealed,"

And his lawyer who said the worst things possible two years ago, he should be sued, and maybe for treason."

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stop calling him a whistleblower...he's a deep state partisan hack and obama, biden, brennan lackey...about as legit as balsey ford
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stop calling him a whistleblower...he's a deep state partisan hack and obama, biden, brennan lackey...about as legit as balsey ford
And this: https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/201...02d7fd625046d4
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stop calling him a whistleblower...he's a deep state partisan hack and obama, biden, brennan lackey...about as legit as balsey ford
Desperation looks good on you.
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This process should not be behind closed doors. It should be out in the open.
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