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02-25-2018, 10:42 PM
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That was your point? I like that you said appease the nation. Republicans stopped everything in its tracks even if it was overwhelmingly supported by the nation. Why? They are afraid of the NimRod Association. Pretty sure if the Dems controlled the congress in 2013, Obama would have gotten most of what he called for. Trump has mentioned background checks, age limits for "assault rifles", arming teachers. He will get dem support on two out of three, though dems want no more AR's sold. Guessing once La Pierre gets a hold of Trump, he will get nothing done and you will be right. I will certainly criticize him if that happens.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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02-26-2018, 06:57 AM
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That was your point? I like that you said appease the nation. Republicans stopped everything in its tracks even if it was overwhelmingly supported by the nation. Why? They are afraid of the NimRod Association. Pretty sure if the Dems controlled the congress in 2013, Obama would have gotten most of what he called for. Trump has mentioned background checks, age limits for "assault rifles", arming teachers. He will get dem support on two out of three, though dems want no more AR's sold. Guessing once La Pierre gets a hold of Trump, he will get nothing done and you will be right. I will certainly criticize him if that happens.
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Bold statement Zimmy. You really go out on a limb with your revisionist history. Too bad the dems didn't control congress. Those pesky checks and balances in our constitution reared their ugly head again.
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02-26-2018, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Bold statement Zimmy. You really go out on a limb with your revisionist history. Too bad the dems didn't control congress. Those pesky checks and balances in our constitution reared their ugly head again.
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Oh, the dems controlled congress in 2013? If that is the case, I am confused about history.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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02-26-2018, 09:46 AM
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Oh, the dems controlled congress in 2013? If that is the case, I am confused about history.
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Are you talking Senate or House of Representatives?
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02-26-2018, 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles
Bold statement Zimmy. You really go out on a limb with your revisionist history. Too bad the dems didn't control congress. Those pesky checks and balances in our constitution reared their ugly head again.
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They did control congress (both houses), for Obama's first two years. For a good chunk of that time they had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. I don't think the GOP could have stopped them from doing a thing. Yet they didn't.
Lots of blame here, both parties, the NRA, law enforcement, lots of blame...
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02-26-2018, 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
They did control congress (both houses), for Obama's first two years. For a good chunk of that time they had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate. I don't think the GOP could have stopped them from doing a thing. Yet they didn't.
Lots of blame here, both parties, the NRA, law enforcement, lots of blame...
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Obama effectively had 72 days of filibuster-proof majority- from September 24. 2009 to February 4, 2010. That is also an aside given that my statement was about 2013, when congress voted down every Obama and democrat backed measure.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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02-26-2018, 10:30 AM
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Obama effectively had 72 days of filibuster-proof majority- from September 24. 2009 to February 4, 2010. That is also an aside given that my statement was about 2013, when congress voted down every Obama and democrat backed measure.
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Looks like 8 years of "Blue" Senate to me. Maybe not FB proof, but dem controlled.
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02-26-2018, 10:57 AM
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Looks like 8 years of "Blue" Senate to me. Maybe not FB proof, but dem controlled.
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Yes, congress is what I said. And he didn't have a filibuster proof majority in the senate for but 72 days. That is how Republicans were able to block his agenda after Sandy Hook. He also only had any majority in the senate for 7 years, not 8.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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02-26-2018, 10:51 AM
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Obama effectively had 72 days of filibuster-proof majority- from September 24. 2009 to February 4, 2010. That is also an aside given that my statement was about 2013, when congress voted down every Obama and democrat backed measure.
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And for the entire first 2 years, the Democrats controlled both houses. They got a lot of big stuff done, like the stimulus. The could have done something with guns, right? They chose not to.
I hear you about 2013. But for 08-09 he had both houses. He did zip on guns and immigration.
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02-26-2018, 11:02 AM
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And for the entire first 2 years, the Democrats controlled both houses. They got a lot of big stuff done, like the stimulus. The could have done something with guns, right? They chose not to.
I hear you about 2013. But for 08-09 he had both houses. He did zip on guns and immigration.
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House passed stimulus in January 2009 with no Republican votes. Senate passed it with 61 votes (3 republicans). Signed into law in February 2009. You are right though, he did get big things done during those few days when they had control. Don't think he could have tied gun legislation into the stimulus though...
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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02-26-2018, 11:08 AM
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House passed stimulus in January 2009 with no Republican votes. Senate passed it with 61 votes (3 republicans). Signed into law in February 2009. You are right though, he did get big things done during those few days when they had control. Don't think he could have tied gun legislation into the stimulus though...
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Not sure why gun control would had to have been tied to the stimulus. No rule saying they couldn't pass more than one bill during that time. You cannot say that the GOP kept him from passing gun reform during his presidency. Not during the early days. Let's be honest.
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