Vetting and immigration process

[buckman]

Seems to be going well ....
WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. government has mistakenly granted citizenship to at least 858 immigrants from countries of concern to national security or with high rates of immigration fraud who had pending deportation orders, according to an internal Homeland Security audit released Monday.
The Homeland Security Department's inspector general found that the immigrants used different names or birthdates to apply for citizenship with U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services and such discrepancies weren't caught because their fingerprints were missing from government databases.

DHS said in an emailed statement that an initial review of these cases suggest that some of the individuals may have ultimately qualified for citizenship, and that the lack of digital fingerprint records does not necessarily mean they committed fraud.
The report does not identify any of the immigrants by name, but Inspector General John Roth's auditors said they were all from "special interest countries" — those that present a national security concern for the United States — or neighboring countries with high rates of immigration fraud. The report did not identify those countries.
DHS said the findings reflect what has long been a problem for immigration officials — old paper-based records containing fingerprint information that can't be searched electronically. DHS says immigration officials are in the process of uploading these files and that officials will review "every file" identified as a case of possible fraud.
Roth's report said fingerprints are missing from federal databases for as many as 315,000 immigrants with final deportation orders or who are fugitive criminals. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has not reviewed about 148,000 of those immigrants' files to add fingerprints to the digital record.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Ahhhh, you're making this up.

I know this can't be true because "Somebody" here said they go through a grueling vetting process.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I know this can't be true because "Somebody" here said they go through a grueling vetting process.

Completely different processes.

[tysdad115]

But O said the background check system doesn't work..

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Completely different processes.

Ohhhhh makes perfect sense now .
No worries , Obama has this handled too .

Spence , you get proved wrong almost as much as Hillary .
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Ohhhhh makes perfect sense now .
No worries , Obama has this handled too .

Spence , you get proved wrong almost as much as Hillary .
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Wow, what a zinger.

You do realize they're completely different processes right?

[spence]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...10435425226753

Deplorable.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...10435425226753

Deplorable.

Truth is now Deplorable ?
You know we are not being stabbed and bombed by Trump right ? Focus Spence
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Wow, what a zinger.

You do realize they're completely different processes right?

I realize mistakes get made , all too frequently and without any accountability especially with this administration and in government in general . One thing you can be sure of, we will never hear how many of these people turn out to be killers , but it's likely at least one will be . I guess everything is cool as long as it's not your family member .
I still failed to see the benefit of risking it and taking more refugees in when we know , even by Obama's admission , a small percentage of them will turn out to be a terrorist
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Completely different processes.

One process that doesn't let them in and another that does.
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[buckman]

It would be interesting to ask Christian refugees who are coming from radical Muslim nations to escape religious persecution , how they feel about Muslim refugees coming from those same nations .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

It would be interesting to ask Christian refugees who are coming from radical Muslim nations to escape religious persecution , how they feel about Muslim refugees coming from those same nations .
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I wouldn't let Christian refugees in form those places either, unless they could prove they had been Christian for a long time. I feel sick for these people, we don't get to choose where we are born. I don't know how many dead bodies Obama thinks is a fair price to pay for letting Middle Eastern refugees come here, but for me, the answer is zero. Most of them are loving people, but the bad ones don't wear signs.

The solution is to get the UN to send whatever forces are necessary, to improve their home situation to the point where they don't all want to flee. Until they do a better job of policing each other, that's the least horrible solution.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I wouldn't let Christian refugees in form those places either, unless they could prove they had been Christian for a long time. I feel sick for these people, we don't get to choose where we are born. I don't know how many dead bodies Obama thinks is a fair price to pay for letting Middle Eastern refugees come here, but for me, the answer is zero. Most of them are loving people, but the bad ones don't wear signs.

The solution is to get the UN to send whatever forces are necessary, to improve their home situation to the point where they don't all want to flee. Until they do a better job of policing each other, that's the least horrible solution.

You would feel differently about letting them in if you had to deal with the guilt of creating the situation that has killed and displaced many of them . Like Hillary for instance . Now she's the humanitarian
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

You would feel differently about letting them in if you had to deal with the guilt of creating the situation that has killed and displaced many of them . Like Hillary for instance . Now she's the humanitarian
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Well said. I feel a huge sense of obligation to help these people, but not if it means sentencing other Americans to fiery deaths.

Yeah, I wonder how many Syrian refugees she's willing to take into her house.

[Fly Rod]

You can add another 900 plus to the 858 illegals given citizenship, that came out this morning and another 150 thou that finger prints were taken but not yet in data base.....

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

You can add another 900 plus to the 858 illegals given citizenship, that came out this morning and another 150 thou that finger prints were taken but not yet in data base.....

The number will grow as this is how this administration operates. Remember the billions we gave Iran in ransom?
Things are always worse than they say
On the plus side, Governor Baker has reassured us that of the 10,000 refugees relocated to Massachusetts there are no bad skittles 😊
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

The number will grow as this is how this administration operates. Remember the billions we were obligated to pay under international law?

Fixed. No charge this time.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Fixed. No charge this time.

Then why was it paid as ransom ?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Then why was it paid as ransom ?
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When you have an obligation to fulfill it's not ransom, it's leverage. Big difference...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

When you have an obligation to fulfill it's not ransom, it's leverage. Big difference...

there is no obligation to give terrorists money

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

When you have an obligation to fulfill it's not ransom, it's leverage. Big difference...

When nobody takes you serious 400 million um I mean 150 billion helps .
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

When nobody takes you serious 400 million um I mean 150 billion helps .
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We're not paying Iran back 150 billion.

[scottw]

heh...heh...

Bolstering Donald Trump's pledge to build a wall and deport criminal
illegals, a former Mexican foreign secretary said that there are "many ways"
the Republican presidential candidate, if elected, can get Mexico to pay for
the wall and deport four million immigrants.
"The wall is a perfectly feasible promise to fulfill,
" said Jorge Castañeda,
Mexico's secretary of foreign affairs from 2000 to 2003.
Dismissing a Mexican Senate move to block federal payments to a Trump
administration for the wall as "silly,
" Castañeda offered up several ways for
Trump to find the money.
"If he really wants Mexicans to pay for the wall, he has many ways of
getting many Mexicans to pay for the wall, increasing the fee for
visas...increasing the toll on the bridges..taxing remittances,
" he said at the
Hudson Institute in Washington.
What's more, he said that the wall is an extension of programs first put into
place by former President Bill Clinton and extended under former President
George W. Bush and President Obama .
"Actually today you have somewhere like 40 percent of the 1,700 mile wall
that is already there. So why can't Trump do what he has promised to do if
his three predecessors did a lot of it without wanting to?" he said.
Ditto on deportations. Noting that Obama has been dubbed the "Deporterin#^&Chief"
for removing two million, Castañeda said doubling that to four
million shouldn't be a problem.
"He certainly could deport twice as many as Obama, why not, why not?
Everybody knows where they it's very easy to find them. It's expensive, but
it's not outrageously expensive and you could pressure a bunch of people
including my country into paying for part of it and taking them back,
" said
the diplomat who is a New York University professor.
"If Obama was able to deport a little more than two million...why can't
Trump deport four million if he wants to?" he added.