I'm Concerned About America(genuinely)

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Romney's statement is a hell of a lot more truthful than this blunder by Obama, which the media gave him a pass on (except for Sean Hannity)...

""And it's not surprising then that they (meaning working-class voters in PA whom he was struggling with)get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them...as a way to explain their frustrations,"

Ah yes, out of the mouth of a man who is supposedly for the working class citizens.

[FishermanTim]

Originally Posted by spence

You really didn't just say that did you?

-spence

Let me rephrase that as "welfare cheats".

[FishermanTim]

Originally Posted by spence

Like my father who paid into Medicare and SS all his life now to be getting the benefits he was promised?

How is this "getting something for free"?

-spence

It's not, but what about the millions of "undocument immigrants" that are given welfare benefits like they are giving out free samples at Costco?

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Zim, zim zim -

- its true that Obama supporters believe the govt should be providing healthcare, home finacnce support, etc. Do you disagree? This is O's platform and what he drives for.
Of course many Obama supporters believe that. As did Romney as governor. As did Reagan and Bush 1 and 2. They all included money for those things in their budgets. Not specifically providing healthcare, since that statement is misleading, but that medicare, government loans, etc. have value.

- its true Obama supporters believe in entitlement and that wealth should be distributed. Right?
Obama supporters believe that thre is a need for social protections. They believe in a progressive tax system, as has pretty much every president in the last 80 years. It isn't a question of redistributing wealth, even if Obama puts it that way. The sum of taxes have an enormous impact on the middle class and the poor. For an idiot like Romney to pretend that 47% of the country isn't affected by taxes is moronic. Especially when a guy like Romney makes tons of money off of profits that are only the level they are because of government subsidies in natural resources and ag. He would have much less money if it wasn't for the government or if all income was taxed at the same level. Or if his dad hadn't been on welfare
- Its true that Obamas base will vote for him no matter what Romney says or does. Right? Maybe. In the same way that the con bases isn't voting for Obama. But the Romney of Massachussetts would have had a better chance than the shape shifter psuedo-radical he has become to please the nutsos in the party.

What part of the above is not true and what part was not explicit in Romneys statement? It isn't remotely what he said

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... "

You said he was 100% correct. He was nearly entirely wrong. First off, the 47% who don't pay income tax, don't all vote for dems.
The entire 47% aren't dependent on government. Many of them are defending our country. Many of them are retired and payed their share. Many are students.

47% don't think the government has responsibility to care for them, although some people may think the government has a responsibility to help the poor.

47% don't believe they are entitled to health care, although some may think that everyone should have it for a variety of reasons.

He is factually incorrect and it is pandering to people too foolish to understanding he is scapegoating other Americans to get votes. "Your life would be so much better if it weren't for all these bloodsuckers bringing you down." The cons don't like when Sharpton does it, but the leaders of the repubes are surving on the same tactics. What Romney said was incorrect. It can be spun, be it isn't backed by facts or any semblance of truth.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by zimmy

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what. ... These are people who pay no income tax. ... "

You said he was 100% correct. He was nearly entirely wrong. First off, the 47% who don't pay income tax, don't all vote for dems.
The entire 47% aren't dependent on government. Many of them are defending our country. Many of them are retired and payed their share. Many are students.

47% don't think the government has responsibility to care for them, although some people may think the government has a responsibility to help the poor.

47% don't believe they are entitled to health care, although some may think that everyone should have it for a variety of reasons.

He is factually incorrect and it is pandering to people too foolish to understanding he is scapegoating other Americans to get votes. "Your life would be so much better if it weren't for all these bloodsuckers bringing you down." The cons don't like when Sharpton does it, but the leaders of the repubes are surving on the same tactics. What Romney said was incorrect. It can be spun, be it isn't backed by facts or any semblance of truth.

Im not going to continue the debate, not worth it. but one thing that amuses me is how you continue to call romney and the people at the fundraiser foolish/ idiots when they've made more $ in a year than you or I will make in a lifetime and have respectable, profitable extremely successful careers. I guess you would be more impressed hanging at Obamas fundraiser with Jay-z and Beyonce and hang with successful intellects like Eva Longoria and Brad Pitt. True leaders in our country.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by FishermanTim

What pi$$es me off most is that these 47% entitlement whores are always the first to complain when they can't get their way, and alway love to brag about how they get all that "free" stuff from the "guberment".

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Originally Posted by FishermanTim

Let me rephrase that as "welfare cheats".

Romney says stupid things and they keep getting repeated.
Here are actual facts:
"The biggest programs and their percentage of the U.S. population:

—Medicaid: 26 percent

—Social Security: 16 percent

—Food stamps: 16 percent

—Medicare: 15 percent

—Women, Infants and Children food program: 8 percent"


and the 46% who don't pay income tax:

Why they don't pay:

—About half don't earn enough money for a household of their size to owe income tax. For example, a family of four earning less than $26,400 would owe no taxes using the standard exemptions and deductions.

—About 22 percent get tax breaks for senior citizens that offset their income.

—About 15 percent get tax breaks for the working poor or low-income parents.

—Almost 3 percent get tax breaks for college tuition or other education expenses.

Who they are:

—The vast majority have below-average earnings: Among all who don't owe, 9 out of 10 make $50,000 or less.

—But some of the wealthy escape taxes, including about 4,000 households earning more than $1 million a year.

[scottw]

the really, really smart(non-idiots) who claim that Romney has blown it or is blowing it, resulting in a sure re-election for their Dear Leader.... sure seem awfully cranky, prickly and of generally poor disposition .....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

the really, really smart(non-idiots) who claim that Romney has blown it or is blowing it, resulting in a sure re-election for their Dear Leader.... sure seem awfully cranky, prickly and of generally poor disposition .....

That's because Obama and his disciples don't like anyone who doesn't bow down and kiss his ring...Obama accused Hilary Clinton of playing the race card...he told his base that "they" (menaing the McCain campaign) were going to try and make people afraid of the fact that he's black (like McCain would do that); Obama has 99% of the media in his pocket, but that's not good enough, so he obsesses over FoxNews; Obama has 99.99% of Hollywood in his pocket, but he throws a hissy-fit when Matt Damon criticizes him. Obama is the most thin-skinned person you;ll ever meet. He (and his disciples) hate Romney for not bowing to Obama's greatness.

We're screwed. This should be an absolutely "gimme" of an election. If conservatives don't win the White House and at least pick up a few senate seats, our country cannot possibly avoid the fate of Europe.

On what basis can you say the guy is doing a good job? Only the stock market, which is supposed to be the enemy of the people...

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Im not going to continue the debate, not worth it. but one thing that amuses me is how you continue to call romney and the people at the fundraiser foolish/ idiots when they've made more $ in a year than you or I will make in a lifetime and have respectable, profitable extremely successful careers.

There are alot of wealthy people who are foolish; many are also idiots. I wasn't stating that the people at the fundraiser, in particular, were foolish. I assume that many of them were competent enough to know his statement was drastically innaccurate. Plenty of Republicans, Scott Brown for example, have pointed out he was wrong.

[Piscator]

I'm starting to get concerned about China. What are they going to do when our country goes Chapter 11.....
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[spence]

Originally Posted by FishermanTim

Let me rephrase that as "welfare cheats".

47% are welfare cheats?

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Im not going to continue the debate, not worth it.

Quitting because you can't win is a responsible thing, we won't hold this against you.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

the really, really smart(non-idiots) who claim that Romney has blown it or is blowing it, resulting in a sure re-election for their Dear Leader.... sure seem awfully cranky, prickly and of generally poor disposition .....

Wow, you're really on tonight aren't you?

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

the really, really smart(non-idiots) who claim that Romney has blown it or is blowing it, resulting in a sure re-election for their Dear Leader.... sure seem awfully cranky, prickly and of generally poor disposition .....

On second thought I'd agree. Let's hear what a stalwart and highly respected conservative has to say...

Romney Needs a New CEO - WSJ.com

But: The Romney campaign has to get turned around. This week I called it incompetent, but only because I was being polite. I really meant "rolling calamity."

We can only hope Peggy hasn't gone to the Dark Side.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

On second thought I'd agree. Let's hear what a stalwart and highly respected conservative has to say...

Romney Needs a New CEO - WSJ.com



We can only hope Peggy hasn't gone to the Dark Side.

-spence

it's an opinion...and many feel that she has, right up there with David Brooks in the "stalwart and highly respected conservative" department

in fact, if you Google "Noonan stalwart and highly respected conservative"...you don't get anything

here's an interesting opinion of her article

Political Animal - More Comic Relief From Peggy Noonan

pretty funny....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Wow, you're really on tonight aren't you?

-spence

well, for about a week now....feelin' good, I know that bothers you considering the rough week you've been having don't worry and keep in mind, you are only as bad as your last post...unless you are Zimmy

[zimmy]

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Quitting because you can't win is a responsible thing, we won't hold this against you.

-spence

just like the 47%, you'll never get it anyway

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

just like the 47%, you'll never get it anyway

I thought he was the 47% Numbers are a beech.