Johns Hopkins University says US was most prepared country in world for pandemic

[Got Stripers]

Trump administration has yet to spend more than $8 billion of the $25 billion Congress appropriated for coronavirus testing in April. The administration has also failed to spend $4 billion in funds for Covid-19 contact tracing and nearly $2 billion to provide free testing for the uninsured.

Funny you can “joke” about asking your people to slow testing and frankly I actually believe that is exactly what he wants, but if you make no efforts to get the funds out to where they need to go, you are effectively doing just that. We now have a new daily high, damn if only we could slow down testing it wouldn’t look so bad going into November.
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[detbuch]

Trump very seriously said that the large testing was the right thing to do. He seriously bragged about it. When asked by Congress, none of his staff said that they were asked to slow down the testing, and that they were going to do even more, to expand the rate of testing. Trump seriously bragged about the testing.

But he made a joke. And, funny, how it is the joke that must be payed attention to . . . at least by those who hate him. And even though the joke was meant to highlight the good, massive testing and to point out that his administration was not getting the credit for it.

Yup . . . it's the joke that matters. Sick.

[Pete F.]

US plan to reduce Idiot population by not testing for Idiots expected to have underwhelming results, sources say.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Trump very seriously said that the large testing was the right thing to do. He seriously bragged about it. When asked by Congress, none of his staff said that they were asked to slow down the testing, and that they were going to do even more, to expand the rate of testing. Trump seriously bragged about the testing.

But he made a joke. And, funny, how it is the joke that must be payed attention to . . . at least by those who hate him. And even though the joke was meant to highlight the good, massive testing and to point out that his administration was not getting the credit for it.

Yup . . . it's the joke that matters. Sick.

Everything every president says matters, this is something he doesn’t understand, just like suggesting a mask for him isn’t a good look. Actions matter too.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

US plan to reduce Idiot population by not testing for Idiots expected to have underwhelming results, sources say.
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Oh, so you're allowed to make jokes, be sarcastic, tell lies, but . . . oh that's right . . . you're not the President . . . so you're allowed . . . you're allowed that "moral choice."

[Got Stripers]

The citizens of the USA I’m pretty sure aren’t watching us, but there are a lot watching the president for signals, leadership, direction and encouragement, bad humor in a time like this is so inappropriate and frankly insulting. Get the funds congress approved out, put on a mask where it’s difficult to physically distance to set the example, stop being such a self involved child so worried about ratings and election impact. He isn’t a leader, defend him if you like, I like many I know are voting his sorry butt out come November. The irony is I’ve voted republican more than democrat over my voting life. This clown will do so much damage if given another four years. Time to fit him for the orange jump suit.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Everything every president says matters, this is something he doesn’t understand, just like suggesting a mask for him isn’t a good look. Actions matter too.

So does its matter that he says he is proud of the testing. That it's the right thing to do. Does it matter that his jokes are meant to get across an important point, to bring attention to good things he has done that his opponents try to obscure, deny, or lie about. Does it matter that he busts his but to try to keep his promises, unlike what many nice talking, politically correct politicians who talk to get elected, but somehow don't get around to walking the talk.

OK, I realize that you don't think that he has done any good. That any good accomplished has been done by someone else. That Trump is a total failure. And worse, that he is responsible for the bad stuff. That he is a destructor, and is bringing the country down. And that he is, overall, a bad person.

It is amazing to me how some of the worst personal reprobates that have populated our political class who were bigger liars and more corrupt and destructive than Trump but who did less, were praised to the hilt for the little good they did, and were excused or overlooked for the important stuff they promised but somehow, even with solid media approval, corporate backing, and popular admiration, never got around to doing.

But they sure could say the "right" things--very articulately and with style.

[Got Stripers]

We shouldn’t be where we are in this crisis but keep believing like SD, I think history will paint this corrupt administration in a completely different light. No need to break out out your blue font, this country is in very bad shape it it falls right at the feet of Trump and the cast of clowns he has surrounded himself with.

New CDC guidelines and warnings should alarm all, but downplay is Trumps MO, because it serves his personal needs, he wants this to magically to disappear, but this is about to rear it’s ugly head to make his re-election a long shot.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

The citizens of the USA I’m pretty sure aren’t watching us, but there are a lot watching the president for signals, leadership, direction and encouragement, bad humor in a time like this is so inappropriate and frankly insulting. Get the funds congress approved out, put on a mask where it’s difficult to physically distance to set the example, stop being such a self involved child so worried about ratings and election impact. He isn’t a leader, defend him if you like, I like many I know are voting his sorry butt out come November. The irony is I’ve voted republican more than democrat over my voting life. This clown will do so much damage if given another four years. Time to fit him for the orange jump suit.

I don't know how many are linking in to this site who are not members. You might be surprised if an actual number were somehow discovered. I found it by linking to a subject which was also being discussed here. The search engines are fairly rigorous, if not totally thorough, about finding sources on most subjects. So there may be a lot more reading these posts than you think. After a while, it occurred to me that if I found this site through my search engine, my forum name might also be found there. So I checked--dang if it wasn't there. Yup, It was there with a link to this site. I just checked again and it was gone. So it only lasts for a limited time.

But, like the virus, political opinions spread from initial sources, whatever they may be, throughout the total population over time. Most of our opinions are just personal rehash of what we heard or read or saw or learned about from another source, usually some media, or personal contact. Your negative views of Trump, I'm confidently guessing, aren't based on personal contact or association over time with him. But probably from media sources or someone relating something to you that he got from some media source. I have read your and Pete's and Spences opinions, many linking to some article or source as evidence to bolster as well as inform, their perspective. But I have read very convincing sources that dispute theirs and paint a different Picture.

The problem with media, as you well know, is its bias. One source may portray a report differently, than another. And I have found that not only the slant in what is said may differ, but actual information may be included in one source that isn't in another. Bias by omission is as effective as misinformation.

So I am agnostic about what is the truth. But, in the current state of politics, the personal characteristics of a politician are far less important to me than are their politics.

So, maybe we're being hoodwinked, for whatever reason--political, philosophical, power, or greed--into an incomplete or bogus view. It was so stark in difference between how CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC delivered their news and editorials and talk programs on the ongoing Mueller investigation as well as the impeachment process, in contrast to Fox and various right wingish internet shows. And which news agencies leaned more accurately toward the final results.


As far as doling out funds, maybe it's being done as needed rather than all at once. I don't know, but I believe that if it could be proved that the funding was being mishandled by the administration, it would be politically damaging to it, so I would expect that intentionally improper withholding would be avoided.

I don't "defend" Trump per se. I would rather that he kept about his business, as he does, with much less bravado, and more humility. Just do it and let the results speak for themselves. But I understand why he does it.

My favorite President was Calvin Coolidge who has been referred to as "the quiet President."
But though he lacked a lot of speechifying and politicking, he was one of the few Presidents who reduced the debt and stuck far more to Constitutional constraints than other 20th and 21rst century Presidents.

What I am trying to "defend" is not Trump, but our constitutional form of government. The actual historical record shows that Progressivism is anti-constitutional as has been documented by some of us on his forum. It is absolutely authoritarian in its political philosophy. The historical connection of Democrat Progressivism to Soviet and current Communism has been shown by some of us on this forum. There are avowed socialists in the current Democrat party that seem to have more influence than some of the decades serving Democrat leaders.

I want Trump to win not because I like him or wish to defend him. I don't. But I don't want a Progressive or Socialist for whom the Constitution is an obstacle rather than a blueprint. And that dichotomy is greater now than it has ever been. If the Democrats seize control of all levers of our government, they will surely, without a doubt, proudly return to their historical open desire to transform this nation into the non-constitutional administrative state which, in essence, will have an increasingly total control of every aspect of our lives.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

We shouldn’t be where we are in this crisis but keep believing like SD, I think history will paint this corrupt administration in a completely different light. No need to break out out your blue font, this country is in very bad shape it it falls right at the feet of Trump and the cast of clowns he has surrounded himself with.

New CDC guidelines and warnings should alarm all, but downplay is Trumps MO, because it serves his personal needs, he wants this to magically to disappear, but this is about to rear it’s ugly head to make his re-election a long shot.

The virus is the cause of our present "bad shape." But the world is suffering that shape because of the virus as well. Before it hit, we were doing very, very well. Better than most of the other countries. I understand, of course, that you don't credit Trump for that. You credit him only for what you claim is his mishandling of the virus.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

The virus is the cause of our present "bad shape." But the world is suffering that shape because of the virus as well. Before it hit, we were doing very, very well. I understand, of course, that you don't credit Trump for that. You credit him only for what you claim is his mishandling of the virus.

I already credited him for not destroying the robust economy he inherited, I give him low marks for foreign affairs, poor marks for handling of our allies and dismal to irresponsible marks for dealing with the environment. Now he is killing US citizens with no empathy or sympathy, he needs his economy open because he sees it as his only chance in November. I’m done debating his merits with a die hard Trumpiet, this guy couldn’t care less about your family, my family or anyone we know, as long as we follow his messaging and give him a vote.

What I find amusing is the he can’t help being Trump and that is exactly what America has decided they have had enough of. The harder he tries the worse the messaging gets, now it’s back to fear and division. The irony is he had a good economy going into this and had he not completely blown the handling of this pandemic he might have been a hard sitting president to defeat, but he can’t help himself thankful.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

What I find amusing is the he can’t help being Trump and that is exactly what America has decided they have had enough of.

[detbuch]

QUOTE=Got Stripers;1195843]I already credited him for not destroying the robust economy he inherited,

That's what's called a back-handed compliment, or a back-handed "credit" in this case. He didn't create the robust economy, he inherited it, he just didn't destroy it . . . yet. No doubt, given all your other opinions of the "clown," given enough time the incompetent "clown" would destroy it.

This "robust" notion of what the "clown" inherited is difficult for me to see. It had a few good spurts but always returned to its slow attempts at recovery. The upward curve, in my opinion was lower than if nothing had been done to fix it, but just let it naturally, without interference, grow of its own volition.

It didn't get continuously "robust" until Trump promised tax and regulatory reforms, and more so when the taxes were cut and economy stifling reforms imposed by the previous administration were erased. Just those two things would be enough to make it an entirely new and different economy. An economy that was not "inherited." An economy that was created.

give him low marks for foreign affairs, poor marks for handling of our allies

He strengthened NATO. The Middle East violence and threat is lowered. He exposed Iran for the cheating threat it is to the Middle East and to the rest of the civilized world. Iran has less money now to fund its foreign intrigues. He withdrew some forces from Syria without the cataclysmic results promised by war experts. He has strengthened ties with Israel. He has not, as predicted by his detractors, engaged us in lots of costly wars. He called out Germany for its hypocrisy of pretending to view NATO as a bulwark against Russia, yet not living up to its obligations to fund it, and at the same time boosting Russia's economy by buying its natural gas from Russia. He has exposed West European leaders for the backbiting, conceited pretenders to civility that they are. He has beneficially renegotiated NAFTA, created better trade deals with Japan and South Korea, strengthened ties with Taiwan, and after Trump threatened tariffs on Vietnam, it agreed to free and fair trade with the U.S. Trump exposed China's economic rape of America and has been the only President to make actual moves to reverse that and his moves against China has spurred a world-wide interest in free and fair trade policies with each other that may benefit the entire world not just a group of favored nations and although that may look like a slap at us it actually creates the possibility of a truly competitive world market that we can more easily thrive in if we recapture and maintain our innovative less regulated free market


and dismal to irresponsible marks for dealing with the environment.

That's an opinion not everyone holds. I am not convinced either way. But it seems to me that it is not necessary to have an all powerful central authority dictating environmental policy to the whole world. Especially when the proposed authority will require a total reconstruction of the world economy and make itself the ultimate designer of that economy, thus vanquishing national sovereignties, making them subservient to its dictated power--sort of an all world regulatory agency having legislative, executive, and judicial power to dictate its will on all of us.

Now he is killing US citizens with no empathy or sympathy, he needs his economy open because he sees it as his only chance in November. I’m done debating his merits with a die hard Trumpiet, this guy couldn’t care less about your family, my family or anyone we know, as long as we follow his messaging and give him a vote.

Well I'm certainly not a die hard Trumpiet (haven't heard that label before). I'm a constitutionalist, not a Trumpist. He is merely, at this moment, a barrier to the Progressive assault on the Constitution and our constitutional order. I don't seek or need his empathy or sympathy. The economy must open or crumble into such disrepair that it will take decades to repair, especially if the socialists take over. If saving the economy helps him, that would be a strike against the Progressive socialists, and that's fine, very fine, with me.

My family will do quite well if the economy is saved and brought to life sooner rather than later.

What I find amusing is the he can’t help being Trump and that is exactly what America has decided they have had enough of. The harder he tries the worse the messaging gets, now it’s back to fear and division. The irony is he had a good economy going into this and had he not completely blown the handling of this pandemic he might have been a hard sitting president to defeat, but he can’t help himself thankful.[/QUOTE]

I totally disagree that he "inherited" a good economy. I remember a fairly stagnant slow rising one, if at all, and one that was generously referred to as a "new normal" by the very folks who backed and praised Obama for his efforts to establish this somehow stable and wonderful gift of predictably low, if at all, growth. Once Trump unleashed the economy by actually changing it into an entirely different one of low taxes with the elimination of strangling regulations imposed by the previous regime, it truly became robust . . . and, well then, all that low level "new normal" was somehow forgotten and quickly transformed by its proponents into the robust one that Trump "inherited."

[Got Stripers]

No see I told you no blue font and there you go just like Trump, you can’t help yourself, others can read I have no interest going to play golf.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

others can read I have no interest going to play golf.

sounds like a trump quote

[Sea Dangles]

I thought he liked golf
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by scottw

sounds like a trump quote

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I could never be trusted with this kind of power

[Pete F.]

At the first Coronavirus Task Force Presentation in 2 months, Dr. Birx refutes Trump’s claim that the only reason there are more cases is because there is more testing by showing a graph of Texas where positivity rates were declining as testing was increased in May, then the positivity rate began to rise in last 2.5 weeks with more testing.

Birx says they have concerns about states that have both rising numbers of cases and rising test-positivity rates. She says the two top states for test-positives are Texas and Arizona, followed by FL, MS, SC, AL, GA, LA, NV, UT.

It looks like the hoax has come to red states

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

At the first Coronavirus Task Force Presentation in 2 months, Dr. Birx refutes Trump’s claim that the only reason there are more cases is because there is more testing by showing a graph of Texas where positivity rates were declining as testing was increased in May, then the positivity rate began to rise in last 2.5 weeks with more testing

Birx says they have concerns about states that have both rising numbers of cases and rising test-positivity rates. She says the two top states for test-positives are Texas and Arizona, followed by FL, MS, SC, AL, GA, LA, NV, UT.

It looks like the hoax has come to red states

Did Trump say that the ONLY reason there are more cases is because there is more testing? Maybe I just missed the ONLY part. If he said ONLY that would be a misstatement. But maybe he meant, if he did say ONLY, that it is because more testing will always reveal more cases which wouldn't be discovered with less testing--which applies no matter what the actual rise or reason for it is.

Did Trump say that Coronavirus does not exist, that it is a hoax? I missed the part where he said it didn't exist. Maybe he missed it too since he has been doing so much to fight it.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Did Trump say that the ONLY reason there are more cases is because there is more testing? Maybe I just missed the ONLY part. If he said ONLY that would be a misstatement. But maybe he meant, if he did say ONLY, that it is because more testing will always reveal more cases which wouldn't be discovered with less testing--which applies no matter what the actual rise or reason for it is.

Did Trump say that Coronavirus does not exist, that it is a hoax? I missed the part where he said it didn't exist. Maybe he missed it too since he has been doing so much to fight it.

Amid surging infections, VP Pence said "there may be a tendency" to think the U.S. is where it was two months ago, "that we're in a time of great losses & great hardship." "The reality is we're in a much better place," he said.

The U.S. set a record for daily new cases yesterday, what will the number be on July 25th?

Feb 25: 0 deaths
Mar 25: 938 deaths
Apr 25: 53,755 deaths
May 25: 98,220 deaths
Jun 25: 124,355 deaths
Jul 25: XXX,XXX deaths

[scottw]

repete...there are 541 new deaths nationwide as i write this ..that is far less than an average day in NY not long ago...43 in NY...45 in NJ...50 in Mass leading the league

[RickBomba]

Originally Posted by scottw

repete...there are 541 new deaths nationwide as i write this ..that is far less than an average day in NY not long ago...43 in NY...45 in NJ...50 in Mass leading the league

Repeat?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by RickBomba

Repeat?
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repete

[spence]

Pete and Repeat are in a boat. Pete fell out. Who's left?

[PaulS]

While we have an Administration trying to take insurance away from 20 million Americans the VP refuses to say that we should be wearing masks
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

repete...there are 541 new deaths nationwide as i write this ..that is far less than an average day in NY not long ago...43 in NY...45 in NJ...50 in Mass leading the league

Remember in March when you and the kept boy were blatting because I said it will get worse and Tweety’s not leading?
He’s still absent
We still have rampant Corona virus
He’s trying to make protesters the issue while stuck in the WH because the Secret Service can’t cover him in NJ to play golf because of COVID-19
He’s not the sharpest tool in the bunker
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Pete and Repeat are in a boat. Pete fell out. Who's left?

I don't know who Repeat is...but pete/repete are one in the same...if pete/repete was in a boat and found himself in the water he was most likely thrown overboard by whoever is left





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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

While we have an Administration trying to take insurance away from 20 million Americans the VP refuses to say that we should be wearing masks
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skinny is a compliment for men over 40

[RickBomba]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I don't know how many are linking in to this site who are not members. You might be surprised if an actual number were somehow discovered. I found it by linking to a subject which was also being discussed here. The search engines are fairly rigorous, if not totally thorough, about finding sources on most subjects. So there may be a lot more reading these posts than you think. After a while, it occurred to me that if I found this site through my search engine, my forum name might also be found there. So I checked--dang if it wasn't there. Yup, It was there with a link to this site. I just checked again and it was gone. So it only lasts for a limited time.

But, like the virus, political opinions spread from initial sources, whatever they may be, throughout the total population over time. Most of our opinions are just personal rehash of what we heard or read or saw or learned about from another source, usually some media, or personal contact. Your negative views of Trump, I'm confidently guessing, aren't based on personal contact or association over time with him. But probably from media sources or someone relating something to you that he got from some media source. I have read your and Pete's and Spences opinions, many linking to some article or source as evidence to bolster as well as inform, their perspective. But I have read very convincing sources that dispute theirs and paint a different Picture.

The problem with media, as you well know, is its bias. One source may portray a report differently, than another. And I have found that not only the slant in what is said may differ, but actual information may be included in one source that isn't in another. Bias by omission is as effective as misinformation.

So I am agnostic about what is the truth. But, in the current state of politics, the personal characteristics of a politician are far less important to me than are their politics.

So, maybe we're being hoodwinked, for whatever reason--political, philosophical, power, or greed--into an incomplete or bogus view. It was so stark in difference between how CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC delivered their news and editorials and talk programs on the ongoing Mueller investigation as well as the impeachment process, in contrast to Fox and various right wingish internet shows. And which news agencies leaned more accurately toward the final results.


As far as doling out funds, maybe it's being done as needed rather than all at once. I don't know, but I believe that if it could be proved that the funding was being mishandled by the administration, it would be politically damaging to it, so I would expect that intentionally improper withholding would be avoided.

I don't "defend" Trump per se. I would rather that he kept about his business, as he does, with much less bravado, and more humility. Just do it and let the results speak for themselves. But I understand why he does it.

My favorite President was Calvin Coolidge who has been referred to as "the quiet President."
But though he lacked a lot of speechifying and politicking, he was one of the few Presidents who reduced the debt and stuck far more to Constitutional constraints than other 20th and 21rst century Presidents.

What I am trying to "defend" is not Trump, but our constitutional form of government. The actual historical record shows that Progressivism is anti-constitutional as has been documented by some of us on his forum. It is absolutely authoritarian in its political philosophy. The historical connection of Democrat Progressivism to Soviet and current Communism has been shown by some of us on this forum. There are avowed socialists in the current Democrat party that seem to have more influence than some of the decades serving Democrat leaders.

I want Trump to win not because I like him or wish to defend him. I don't. But I don't want a Progressive or Socialist for whom the Constitution is an obstacle rather than a blueprint. And that dichotomy is greater now than it has ever been. If the Democrats seize control of all levers of our government, they will surely, without a doubt, proudly return to their historical open desire to transform this nation into the non-constitutional administrative state which, in essence, will have an increasingly total control of every aspect of our lives.

S-b.com deep state?

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[Got Stripers]

How can you believe an X walleye fisherman who doesn’t even own a fishing rod and trolls a political forum on an obscure fishing site across the country? Pontificating is his MO as lying is Trump’s MO and insulting people for sport is SD’s MO; thanks boss for reining that behavior in.
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