Fusion GPS

[spence]

Originally Posted by sburnsey931

What I find confusing ...
It is said the John jr. willingness to take a meeting with the Russian Lawyer to get dirt on Hillary is characterized as collusion.
But the hiring of GPS and Steele to get dirt on Trump from the Russians is not.
Is it not the same? Does twice removed change it.....
Isn’t Steele a foreign national.....
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Nobody coordinated with Steele, he was just a consultant and had no idea who was sourcing the information. Quite different from Don Jr who appears to have known exactly what he was doing.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Nobody coordinated with Steele, he was just a consultant and had no idea who was sourcing the information. Quite different from Don Jr who appears to have known exactly what he was doing.

Steele would not be shaking trees in Russia without knowing who was paying the expense check.

The proper rebuttal would have been there is little similarity between campaign people making and acting on arrangements in a quid pro quo with a foreign power (which is what still needs to be proven) to actively influence an election versus opposition research.

There is plenty of smoke around Clinton (and CGI) to be concerned of payments for policy. Clinton hands are rarely ever clean.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Steele would not be shaking trees in Russia without knowing who was paying the expense check.

The proper rebuttal would have been there is little similarity between campaign people making and acting on arrangements in a quid pro quo with a foreign power (which is what still needs to be proven) to actively influence an election versus opposition research.

There is plenty of smoke around Clinton (and CGI) to be concerned of payments for policy. Clinton hands are rarely ever clean.

Steele was a hired consultant by Fusion GPS to do research. It's supposed to be a very credible firm, I'd think they have strict policies in place to specifically prevent him from knowing.

As for Clinton and payments for policy. I haven't seen anything other than crack conspiracy theories.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by spence

Steele was a hired consultant by Fusion GPS to do research. It's supposed to be a very credible firm, I'd think they have strict policies in place to specifically prevent him from knowing.

As for Clinton and payments for policy. I haven't seen anything other than crack conspiracy theories.

I'd like to see the Fusion GPS folks testify publicly for the Senate committee.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

Steele was a hired consultant by Fusion GPS to do research. It's supposed to be a very credible firm, I'd think they have strict policies in place to specifically prevent him from knowing.

As for Clinton and payments for policy. I haven't seen anything other than crack conspiracy theories.

Sure, if you are doing research on Denmark or Uruguay. Someone that is smart and greatly experienced former member of a FiveEyes country (and wants to live a long life) does not conduct research on Ruissia without knowing who is paying.

[PaulS]

It's my understanding that parts of it have been confirmed and that nothing has been disapproved.
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[PaulS]

And on a related note I learned today that President Trump is a "stable genius".
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[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

And on a related note I learned today that President Trump is a "stable genius".
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Perhaps that's why he seems to have so much disdain for the rule of law? He's too smart and stable for it.

[PaulS]

I'm going to give him props for keeping me safe when I'm flying.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I'm going to give him props for keeping me safe when I'm flying.
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The stable genius
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[JohnR]

F GPS Testimony - redacted

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/pub...t-redacted.pdf

Have not read yet

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

The stable genius
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his dog and pony show yesterday was genius....

[Nebe]

Ooooo the “dirty trick Democrats” you might as well say “crooked hillary” or “crazy Bernie”
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[PaulS]

Washington Free Beacon

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Washington Free Beacon

October 27, 2017 7:02 pm

Since its launch in February of 2012, the Washington Free Beacon has retained third party firms to conduct research on many individuals and institutions of interest to us and our readers. In that capacity, during the 2016 election cycle we retained Fusion GPS to provide research on multiple candidates in the Republican presidential primary, just as we retained other firms to assist in our research into Hillary Clinton. All of the work that Fusion GPS provided to the Free Beacon was based on public sources, and none of the work product that the Free Beacon received appears in the Steele dossier. The Free Beacon had no knowledge of or connection to the Steele dossier, did not pay for the dossier, and never had contact with, knowledge of, or provided payment for any work performed by Christopher Steele. Nor did we have any knowledge of the relationship between Fusion GPS and the Democratic National Committee, Perkins Coie, and the Clinton campaign.

Representatives of the Free Beacon approached the House Intelligence Committee today and offered to answer what questions we can in their ongoing probe of Fusion GPS and the Steele dossier. But to be clear: We stand by our reporting, and we do not apologize for our methods. We consider it our duty to report verifiable information, not falsehoods or slander, and we believe that commitment has been well demonstrated by the quality of the journalism that we produce. The First Amendment guarantees our right to engage in news-gathering as we see fit, and we intend to continue doing just that as we have since the day we launched this project.

Matthew Continetti
Editor in Chief

Michael Goldfarb
Chairman



got any other "republicans"?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

got any other "republicans"?

Don't need any other Rebulicans. They hired Fusion GPS and stopped the funding before the Steele doc. bc Trump was going to win the Rep. nomination. Then the Dems. paid for the continued research which included the Steele doc.

Who paid for it is irrelevant. What was in it is the important thing and whether it can be proven. Trump is not going to be found guilty of anything based on a doc.

[Pete F.]

I think the biggest problem is that people confuse an intelligence dossier with facts.
An intelligence dossier is the reason you investigate further. The special prosecutor is investigating and we will see what he finds.
My opinion is that Trump has always pushed the legal envelope in business and I don't think he sees politics any differently.
Few of us are not guilty of that in some way.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think the biggest problem is that people confuse an intelligence dossier with facts.
An intelligence dossier is the reason you investigate further.

to be clear...this is not an American or British Intelligence dossier...this is a PRIVATE dossier...written by a former intelligence officer contracted by Clinton and the DNC as part of a dirt digging mission...of which.."Parts of the dossier have been confirmed, while others have yet to be proved or disproved,[8][9] including, as 2017 drew to a close, the dossier's allegations of collusion.[10][11] The media, intelligence community, as well as most experts have therefore treated the dossier with caution"


from wiki

After Trump emerged as the probable Republican nominee, attorney Marc Elias of the Perkins Coie law firm retained American research firm Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research about Trump on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton presidential campaign. Fusion GPS later contracted Steele to compile the dossier.[13] Following Trump's election as president, Steele continued working on the report, with funding from Democrats ceasing and financing finally coming directly from Glenn R. Simpson of Fusion GPS.

...and of course we know that the Clinton campaign and the Obama justice dept used this to try to sway an election that they were fully confident of winning.....

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

to be clear...this is not an American or British Intelligence dossier...this is a PRIVATE dossier...written by a former intelligence officer contracted by Clinton and the DNC...of which.."Parts of the dossier have been confirmed, while others have yet to be proved or disproved,[8][9] including, as 2017 drew to a close, the dossier's allegations of collusion.[10][11] The media, intelligence community, as well as most experts have therefore treated the dossier with caution"


from wiki

After Trump emerged as the probable Republican nominee, attorney Marc Elias of the Perkins Coie law firm retained American research firm Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research about Trump on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton presidential campaign. Fusion GPS later contracted Steele to compile the dossier.[13] Following Trump's election as president, Steele continued working on the report, with funding from Democrats ceasing and financing finally coming directly from Glenn R. Simpson of Fusion GPS.

...and of course we know that the Clinton campaign and the Obama justice dept used this to try to sway an election that they were fully confident of winning.....

You should read the Simpson testimony released this week. It's credible and very damning.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

to be clear...this is not an American or British Intelligence dossier...this is a PRIVATE dossier...written by a former intelligence officer contracted by Clinton and the DNC as part of a dirt digging mission...of which.."Parts of the dossier have been confirmed, while others have yet to be proved or disproved,[8][9] including, as 2017 drew to a close, the dossier's allegations of collusion.[10][11] The media, intelligence community, as well as most experts have therefore treated the dossier with caution"


from wiki

After Trump emerged as the probable Republican nominee, attorney Marc Elias of the Perkins Coie law firm retained American research firm Fusion GPS to conduct opposition research about Trump on behalf of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton presidential campaign. Fusion GPS later contracted Steele to compile the dossier.[13] Following Trump's election as president, Steele continued working on the report, with funding from Democrats ceasing and financing finally coming directly from Glenn R. Simpson of Fusion GPS.

...and of course we know that the Clinton campaign and the Obama justice dept used this to try to sway an election that they were fully confident of winning.....

Most people know it was not created by the US or British intelligence service but rather by the former head of the Russian desk of MI6 (I believe).

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Most people know it was not created by the US or British intelligence service but rather by the former head of the Russian desk of MI6 (I believe).

I believe a part of it was corroborated by an inside source.

Steele wasn't just a Russian expert, according to the testimony he was hired party leaders because his expertise was spotting russian propaganda.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I believe a part of it was corroborated by an inside source.

Steele wasn't just a Russian expert, according to the testimony he was hired party leaders because his expertise was spotting russian propaganda.
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indeed

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think the biggest problem is that people confuse an intelligence dossier with facts. exactly
An intelligence dossier is the reason you investigate further. The special prosecutor is investigating and we will see what he finds.
My opinion is that Trump has always pushed the legal envelope in business and I don't think he sees politics any differently.
Few of us are not guilty of that in some way.

That is exactly correct. Word is that what was in the doc. confirmed what the FBI had already heard -maybe from their source in the Trump admin. if those reports are true.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Word is that what was in the doc. confirmed what the FBI had already heard -maybe from their source in the Trump admin. if those reports are true.

yeah..."word"

you sound like Spence now

[PaulS]

How much did the market go up last year? I wonder how much it went up in Obama's first year?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How much did the market go up last year? I wonder how much it went up in Obama's first year?
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I give Obama credit for that. But it's also true, that when the market just crashed, it's easier to get increases, then when it is already high. It's like trying to reduce your golf handicap, it's easier when you are hitting 125 than it is when you are hitting 90.

Trump, unlike Obama, is putting money in the pockets of ordinary Americans, the ones Democrats claim to care so much about. Walmart is raising the company minimum wage to $11/hour, a raise of about $1.50 an hour in CT, $3,000 a year if you are full time. Combined with the tax cuts (reduction in tax rates, doubling of standard deduction, increased child tax credits), that's a real, meaningful boost to these people. And every single democrat voted against it. They may be at a complete loss explaining why.

Of course, if Trump makes inexcusable comments like the "sh*thole country" monstrocity, maybe people won't care about the economy. He may be such an ass, that people don't care about a booming economy. We'll see in November.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I give Obama credit for that. But it's also true, that when the market just crashed, it's easier to get increases, then when it is already high. It's like trying to reduce your golf handicap, it's easier when you are hitting 125 than it is when you are hitting 90.

Trump, unlike Obama, is putting money in the pockets of ordinary Americans, the ones Democrats claim to care so much about. Walmart is raising the company minimum wage to $11/hour, a raise of about $1.50 an hour in CT, $3,000 a year if you are full time. Combined with the tax cuts (reduction in tax rates, doubling of standard deduction, increased child tax credits), that's a real, meaningful boost to these people. And every single democrat voted against it. They may be at a complete loss explaining why.

Of course, if Trump makes inexcusable comments like the "sh*thole country" monstrocity, maybe people won't care about the economy. He may be such an ass, that people don't care about a booming economy. We'll see in November.

Walmart is also laying off thousands as it closes stores and has been under a massive PR onslaught for years for how little it pays employees.
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by spence

Walmart is also laying off thousands as it closes stores and has been under a massive PR onslaught for years for how little it pays employees.
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Might be because Americans are beginning to realize purchasing junk made in China that breaks or fails quickly or is inadequate is not the way to go, it is about choices and quanity is not always better than quality. You get what you pay for. Everyone likes a good deal, I'm not sure buying trash is a good deal, not that some of their products are not useful because there are, but most of the stuff is crap. Same with Christmas Tree shops, Ocean State Job Lot etc.
As the economy improves, people want better stuff not crap

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I give Obama credit for that. But it's also true, that when the market just crashed, it's easier to get increases, then when it is already high. It's like trying to reduce your golf handicap, it's easier when you are hitting 125 than it is when you are hitting 90.

Trump, unlike Obama, is putting money in the pockets of ordinary Americans, the ones Democrats claim to care so much about. Walmart is raising the company minimum wage to $11/hour, a raise of about $1.50 an hour in CT, $3,000 a year if you are full time. Combined with the tax cuts (reduction in tax rates, doubling of standard deduction, increased child tax credits), that's a real, meaningful boost to these people. And every single democrat voted against it. They may be at a complete loss explaining why.

Of course, if Trump makes inexcusable comments like the "sh*thole country" monstrocity, maybe people won't care about the economy. He may be such an ass, that people don't care about a booming economy. We'll see in November.

enjoy your kool aid comrade .. whats the saying If it Sounds Too Good to Be True, it Probably Is

[Got Stripers]

I picked a really good time to retire. Even on a risk level of 3 on a scale of 1 to 10, my Fidelity accounts are doing almost 13%, can't imagine how the younger risk takers are doing. So while I absolutely loath the man, I love the economy right now and no I don't think he can claim all the credit.