when did democrats start opposing the fillibuster?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

After not being able to clarify if you believe having public utilities makes a country sorcialist, or whether you believe NAZIS were socialist or believe they were conservative, are you admitting that being a capitalist is a virtue?

Sorry, but Bannon, Orban, Putin and Bolsonaro are not my idea of good examples of capitalists
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Sorry, but Bannon, Orban, Putin and Bolsonaro are not my idea of good examples of capitalists
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Your opinions are not golden. Nor have I said those guys were good capitalists. Nor did I say Bannon is a good capitalist. I merely pointed out that he is a capitalist, not a NAZI socialist as you were spouting.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Your opinions are not golden. Nor have I said those guys were good capitalists. Nor did I say Bannon is a good capitalist. I merely pointed out that he is a capitalist, not a NAZI socialist as you were spouting.

Did I say Nazi?
Or did you?

Perhaps you could apply that same logic to America First as being anti Semitic, works just as well
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Did I say Nazi?
Or did you?

You said "National. Socialism. That has a certain ring to it but I can't put my finger on it..." Did I mistake what ring it had to you?


Perhaps you could apply that same logic to America First as being anti Semitic, works just as well
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America First includes all the Semites in it as Americans First. It does not include eradicating them.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

America First includes all the Semites in it as Americans First. It does not include eradicating them.

History only counts when you want it to.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

History only counts when you want it to.
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More fortune cookie wisdom by Pete F.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

More fortune cookie wisdom by Pete F.

Some people like fortune cookies, others baloney
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he’s also irrelevant. conservatives, by and large, don’t want nationalism.

conservatives want less federal control.

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If he’s irrelevant why are so many Trumplicans listening to him

Bannon this morning says the purpose of the Trump rally in AZ today is to pressure the AZ legis to decertify the 2020 Biden electors, then PA, WI, and GA will follow suit and make Biden an illegitimate president in the minds of swing voters heading into the 2022 elections.

You cannot interpret this as anything but a declaration of war on democracy. We are in the endgame. We can resurrect democracy or lose it forever.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Some people like fortune cookies, others baloney
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Your fortune cookie wisdom is baloney.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If he’s irrelevant why are so many Trumplicans listening to him

Bannon this morning says the purpose of the Trump rally in AZ today is to pressure the AZ legis to decertify the 2020 Biden electors, then PA, WI, and GA will follow suit and make Biden an illegitimate president in the minds of swing voters heading into the 2022 elections.

You cannot interpret this as anything but a declaration of war on democracy. We are in the endgame. We can resurrect democracy or lose it forever.
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Legitimate pressure is not a war on democracy. The "plan," according to the planners, was within the bounds of the Constitution, therefore legitimate.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Your fortune cookie wisdom is baloney.

As an expert in baloney, You would know
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Legitimate pressure is not a war on democracy. The "plan," according to the planners, was within the bounds of the Constitution, therefore legitimate.

So the big lie is legitimate pressure, according to the planners and you.
Just the thing someone who kept Mein Kampf on his nightstand would claim.
Because as long as you achieve your goal the means are justifiable.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As an expert in baloney, You would know
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You're admitting that I know that your stuff is baloney?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

So the big lie is legitimate pressure, according to the planners and you.
Just the thing someone who kept Mein Kampf on his nightstand would claim.
Because as long as you achieve your goal the means are justifiable.
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Never read Mein Kampf. Don't remember ever actually seeing a copy of it. No doubt, Bannon, et. al., believe that the big lie is the accusation that they're lying.

And I'm not making a claim either way. I don't positively know.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Never read Mein Kampf. Don't remember ever actually seeing a copy of it. No doubt, Bannon, et. al., believe that the big lie is the accusation that they're lying.

Since they have never succeeded in any court action, are you claiming that people should just believe them based on…….
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Since they have never succeeded in any court action, are you claiming that people should just believe them based on…….
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I haven't read their plan in depth. Just the sketchy bits in interviews. From my limited understanding, it wasn't based on nor relied on court decisions. And it is totally mute now because the election was certified and had to be carried out before certification. And, because the Court refused to hear arguments on the validity of the election, most of the evidence compiled by pro-Trumpers has not been thoroughly examined and discussed in corporate media, so has basically been hidden from public scrutiny, and has been referred to as baseless conspiracy in any mention of it.

So, in that respect, there is nothing solid for me to believe or disbelieve.

What I do believe is that, after the Robert Mueller investigation, I lost any trust I had in our security agencies. The Mantra was always that Trump was causing us to lose confidence in them. But, for me, it was their own actions that destroyed my confidence in them. So I find myself believing that they are more of a problem than the groups they profile and accuse. And the Democrats duplicity in their alliance with them in calling for the special counsel investigation and the lies they told to support it, which even more than just my disagreement with their policies, destroyed what confidence I had in the Democrats being honorable in their political opposition.

Like most, I had always considered politics to be dirty. But that investigation took the cake. It was absolutely filthy. And it has not only caused me to lose confidence in the agencies involved, but totally become sick of the whole administrative state including most of its other agencies that I had already was beginning to see as a threat to our constitutional system.

So I don't "just believe them" (Bannon et. al.), I tend to disbelieve the security and intel agencies and the entire administrative state until it is proven to be right--which is a tall order to do for me since they have such a powerful influence, even grip, on the channels that inform us. Which makes those channels of communication as suspect for me as are the administrative and security agencies which they are in bed with.

For people like me, they have lost all credibility. And it is their doing, not Trump's, that is the cause. And the way you have lied and resorted to rhetorical trickery in defense of their treachery, has not helped in restoring any of my faith in them. Rather, it has done the opposite.

[Pete F.]

Post-inaugural “decertification” of electoral votes to “delegitimate” an incumbent president isn’t a thing. The only approximation is something called “seditious conspiracy,” a federal crime whose twin is treason.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Post-inaugural “decertification” of electoral votes to

“delegitimate”

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I don't think this is a word...

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

I don't think this is a word...

You’re wrong
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You’re wrong
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I figured, like brandon, you could use a win....hope that helps...you're welcome

[Pete F.]

Biden walked into the Oval Office to a desk OVERFLOWING with massive problems left by his predecessor. Contrary to what MSM tells you he has accomplished an amazing amount of work on behalf of the people in 1 year. There’s lot left to do, give him time & be amazed at what he does
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Biden walked into the Oval Office to a desk OVERFLOWING with massive problems left by his predecessor. Contrary to what MSM tells you he has accomplished an amazing amount of work on behalf of the people in 1 year. There’s lot left to do, give him time & be amazed at what he does
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I don't think Jen Pasaki would even go that far...

didn't get the memo

"A group of Democratic senators say they have “grave concerns” about the Biden administration’s response to COVID-19 and have asked the White House’s pandemic point man to explain ongoing test shortages and related issues.

In a Thursday letter to COVID-19 Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients, Sens. Jacky Rosen (D-Nev.), Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.), Joe Manchin (D-WV), Jon Ossoff (D-Ga.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) asked point-blank “why the Administration failed to take more significant steps earlier to increase access to at-home tests.”

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Biden walked into the Oval Office to a desk OVERFLOWING with massive problems left by his predecessor. Contrary to what MSM tells you he has accomplished an amazing amount of work on behalf of the people in 1 year. There’s lot left to do, give him time & be amazed at what he does
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ok, your brain broke.

the mainstream media is out to get Biden? that’s your story?

he helped get infastructure passed, and the stock market is doing great, and he took the vaccine infastructure he inherited, and he expanded that well. what are his other amazing accomplishments, that he actually helped pull off?

why are his poll numbers where they are?
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[Pete F.]

Poll numbers better than the guy he beat
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[Pete F.]

6.4 million jobs, GDP growth 5+%, wages up 4.7%, stock market +25% year-over-year, 207 million vaccinated, nearly all schools open and in person. How many people had that on their 2021 Bingo card? Good year
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Poll numbers better than the guy he beat
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so low 30s are a good place to be!
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[Pete F.]

One thing I’m glad about— the people who think the pandemic should focus on paying people not to get vaccinated aren’t in charge.

From DeSantis to Rand Paul, nearly daily there’s a reminder of the difference between the first year of the pandemic and now.
We have many challenges facing us in responding to the pandemic. But the contrast in how Biden is responding ,when I see the people who want the pandemic to be over but will only act to elongate it lead, I’m only grateful they’re not in charge.
It is true we don’t have enough tests to handle the crush of new cases per day.

But while Joe Biden runs towards the problem w a billion free tests, a new testing czar & 8 free tests/person/month, Roger Marshall thinks the priority should be Tony Fauci’s financial statements.
In a hearing over the crisis we are all in, a Kansas Senator who can’t conduct a Google search honed in on what Americans are really worried about.

No, not schools or hospitals but a quite modest 81 year old career civil servant.
I wonder what planet he’s on. But I don’t wonder what political party he’s in.

Because we now just shrug our shoulders when we see Republican governors take steps to elongate the pandemic.

In the last few months, as we’ve been battling omicron…
Ron DeSantis has offered#^&CASH BONUSES#^&to unvaccinated police officers who quit or are fired from police forces in other states.

Unvaccinated adults are nearly 6x more likely to test positive for Covid & 14x more likely to die from the virus.
DeSantis & OK Gov Stitt have decided to take a stand—not against COVID, but against booster shots. When asked why:

“I’ve done the normal shot, and that … is people’s individual decision about what they want to do.” -Desantis

“I’m perfectly healthy.”#^&-Stitt

PS Booster shots can cut in half your chance of being hospitalized according to some studies.

PPS When thee guy who refused to admit the existence of or take responsibility for the pandemic calls you gutless, look at yourself.
Florida, Iowa, Kansas, Arkansas and Tennessee have changed their unemployment insurance rules to allow you to receive benefits if you quit your job because you didn’t want to get vaccinated.

They don’t believe in public programs. Except for the unvaccinated.
24 state AGs even filed lawsuits to prevent the federal government from requiring workplaces to be safe. 20 sued to prevent hospitals from requiring staff to be vaccinated.

Just think if this aggression & creative energy were funneled into fighting the virus & saving lives.
PS on that one. The Supreme Court ruled today. And even a highly conservative Supreme Court couldn’t support these states on one of their arguments (the health care one). Wrongly, but unsurprisingly, they won’t allow workplaces to be required to be kept safe.
26 states#^&(wonder if there’s a connection) passed laws that weaken public health protections.

AK banned mask requirements
ID now allows county commissioners to veto public health orders.
KS and TN have taken basic duties from public health officials
9 states passed laws requiring exemptions from vaccine mandates or banned companies from requiring vaccines.

These are the same people telling us they demand the pandemic new over so we can return to normal. Um hmm.
Republican members of Congress have filed#^&at least 20 bills#^&to block or roll back vaccine requirements.#^&
8 Republican governors including Abbott of Texas and DeSantis of Florida have banned mask requirements in schools.

To be clear masks are the ONLY thing, including ventilation, preventing COVID from spreading in schools. In fact …
Schools with mask requirements were 3.5 times less likely to have a coronavirus outbreak during the Delta based on a study in Arizona.
I have spent time w President Biden on this pandemic. He doesn’t think he’s gotten everything right. He’s not all that concerned with how he’s perceived at any particular moment. But he cares deeply about every American life & what we can do to help save it.
The vaccination program the Trump Administration started & he and his team rolled out have saved many American lives.

Biden’s acceleration of the vaccines in the early part of 2021 saved close to 300,000 lives.
During all this, Biden has had his head down. He’s opened 90,000 free vaccination sites and 20,000 free testing sites. He’s tripled the stockpile of masks and sent thousands of medical personnel to hospitals. 20 million anti-virals.
We have to judge our leaders by what they deliver, by their honesty, by how hard they work for us.

But, by God, when I stop and compare where we are to the alternative, I actually shudder.
Let’s have high expectations of our leaders. If we hold them accountable, they should listen and improve.

But lets also hold accountable all the elected leaders that have joined the fight on the side of the virus.
I won’t forget who showed up & who laid down in the middle of the hardest times.
“Andy Slavitt”
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

6.4 million jobs, GDP growth 5+%, wages up 4.7%, stock market +25% year-over-year, 207 million vaccinated, nearly all schools open and in person. How many people had that on their 2021 Bingo card? Good year
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he’s done a good job bringing jobs back, true.

wages up, inflation is up more. what does that mean for average americans, exactly?

biden opened up the schools? he did that? Not the virus naturally becoming less severe?

did you give trump credit for jobs, stock market, wages up, and creating the vaccine infastructure?

what are you afraid would
happen, if you were honest for a moment?

a record number of
americans said they were better off after four years of trump. i’ll be interested to see how biden does in that poll.

your fused to give trump credit for many of the same exact accomplishments. you’re saying it only matters when democrats oversee good stock market and low unemployment? i’d like to hear you explain that. when trump set stock
market records, you said that was bad because it only helps the wealthy.
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[Pete F.]

As I have always said

Trump already gives himself far more credit than he deserves, so I don’t feel compelled to encourage him.

But you have the first amendment right to encourage the malignant narcissist.

Yesterday Trump gathered a large crowd of the unvaxed and maskless into a close space to tell them Joe Biden was really blowing it on his handling of covid.

Can't even make this #^&#^&#^&#^& up
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As I have always said

Trump already gives himself far more credit than he deserves, so I don’t feel compelled to encourage him.

But you have the first amendment right to encourage the malignant narcissist.

Yesterday Trump gathered a large crowd of the unvaxed and maskless into a close space to tell them Joe Biden was really blowing it on his handling of covid.

Can't even make this #^&#^&#^&#^& up
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if you have trump credit for his accomplishments, you’d be encouraging his narcissism?

yes, Trump looks to you all the time to get his cues. you are single handedly keeping his arrogance in check. that’s how it works!

if trumps event doesn’t become a superspreader event, will you say so? or would you be afraid of how trump would respond to your admission? because we’re all
sure he’s keeping close tabs on you.
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