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Old 09-08-2010, 08:06 AM   #1
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Ground Zero

Obama not going to New York on 9/11, he is going to speak at the Pentagon. This will be the second time that he has skipped out of appearing at ground zero.

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Old 09-08-2010, 08:07 AM   #2
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:17 AM   #3
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I didn't know 9/11 was only about the people who died at Ground Zero. Very often people forget about those that died at the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania.
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:39 AM   #4
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I didn't know 9/11 was only about the people who died at Ground Zero. Very often people forget about those that died at the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania.

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I didn't know 9/11 was only about the people who died at Ground Zero. Very often people forget about those that died at the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania.
Yup.

Not to bring out the "Bush Didn't do it either' but a quick google search shows he visited ground-zero on 9/11 in 2002 and 2006. Where was your outrage at GWB in 2003? 2004? 2005? 2007? 2008?

If we search the political forum did you post then about Bush "Skipping Out"

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im going to assume Bryan is right.

But.....from a purely politcial standpoint, I cant believe his advisers are not screaming at him to go to NYC. Given the controversy around the mosque, it would have scored him big polictical points to go there. This is a missed opportunity. Big O needs all the points he can get.

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im going to assume Bryan is right.

But.....from a purely politcial standpoint, I cant believe his advisers are not screaming at him to go to NYC. Given the controversy around the mosque, it would have scored him big polictical points to go there. This is a missed opportunity. Big O needs all the points he can get.
Or it backfires completely b/c everyone shows up to protest the mosque.
it is a 'pickle' this year on where to go.

I'm assuming the (2) sources I saw (news articles) are correct as well, but you know what they say about assumptions. it makes an ass out of u and spence

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Old 09-08-2010, 12:04 PM   #8
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I usually post here to point out the hypocrisy of the OP - this certainly seem to fit the bill if Bryan is right


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im going to assume Bryan is right.

But.....from a purely politcial standpoint, I cant believe his advisers are not screaming at him to go to NYC. Given the controversy around the mosque, it would have scored him big polictical points to go there. This is a missed opportunity. Big O needs all the points he can get.
I'm sure his advisors told him to go to NY which is prob. the reason he decided not to go.
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Old 09-08-2010, 12:23 PM   #9
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Given the controversy around the mosque, it would have scored him big polictical points to go there.
I think it would have fanned the flames of the controversy which helps nobody but the extreme Right wing and those hoping to capitalize on the political fallout...all of which is distracting.

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Old 09-08-2010, 01:13 PM   #10
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I think at SOME point he should be / have been there as it is the focal point of that day. Prime time probably to go was last year. 'Cept this time last year was shortly after the AF1 photo op over Manhattan, probably skipped NY then because of flak.

As someone that doesn't revolve around either party I gots to chuckle over the roles have reversed on "presidents". If it were only funny.

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Old 09-08-2010, 01:21 PM   #11
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As someone that doesn't revolve around either party I gots to chuckle over the roles have reversed on "presidents". If it were only funny.
I've thought the exact same thing.

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Old 09-08-2010, 01:29 PM   #12
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I think it would have fanned the flames of the controversy which helps nobody but the extreme Right wing and those hoping to capitalize on the political fallout...all of which is distracting.

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i think it would have shown respect to NYC, a mostly liberal city, that I'm sure holds some resentment to him for not going there the last 2 years and for his wishy-washy view on the mosque and lets not forget his constant banter of "evil" Wall St, which is in NYC and which lost a TON of people on 9/11.

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i think it would have shown respect to NYC, a mostly liberal city, that I'm sure holds some resentment to him for not going there the last 2 years and for his wishy-washy view on the mosque and lets not forget his constant banter of "evil" Wall St, which is in NYC and which lost a TON of people on 9/11.
For a state that has voted for a Democratic President the last 20 years and has (I believe) only 1 Republican Representative in the House, there isn't much to politically gain by going to NYC - only a whole lot to lose with having to directly address the Mosque situation.

There's no precedent for that visit to occur, thus the expectation isn't there. I doubt anyone on the Left holds any resentment because he has not gone to Ground Zero the last 2 years, while those on the Right will try to spin it to use as one more bullet for smearing - hence why this post even exists.
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For a state that has voted for a Democratic President the last 20 years and has (I believe) only 1 Republican Representative in the House, there isn't much to politically gain by going to NYC - only a whole lot to lose with having to directly address the Mosque situation.

There's no precedent for that visit to occur, thus the expectation isn't there. I doubt anyone on the Left holds any resentment because he has not gone to Ground Zero the last 2 years, while those on the Right will try to spin it to use as one more bullet for smearing - hence why this post even exists.
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Can we get back to the original point; that is the hypocrisy of the right making a deal out of this? If BHO follows GWB's lead, he'll be there next year for the 10th.

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Can we get back to the original point; that is the hypocrisy of the right making a deal out of this? If BHO follows GWB's lead, he'll be there next year for the 10th.
Is the right making a deal out of this or just Fly Rod?

just went to fox news and newsmax, nada.

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I didn't want to call him out after the burn baby burn post. but there is a FN article on his visit to the Pentagon. the comments this morning were similar to FlyRod, I haven't looked since 0600 though

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With what exactly? The way the state has voted the last 20 years, the number of Dem Reps they have or that he has more to lose politically by going there than there is to gain?
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i think it would have shown respect to NYC, a mostly liberal city, that I'm sure holds some resentment to him for not going there the last 2 years and for his wishy-washy view on the mosque and lets not forget his constant banter of "evil" Wall St, which is in NYC and which lost a TON of people on 9/11.
I don't think New Yorkers are resentful at all of Obama not showing up. The City has a track record of strong leadership the past decade, they're fine on their own. Besides, they'd probably rather not have the extra traffic.

He should make the trip once during his term, or terms if the GOP can't get their act together.

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I think most people at this point in Obama's presidency, could give a damn if he goes.

I find it amusing that Brian googled to see if Bush went. It amazes me that the left sets all standards by what Bush did or didn't do.
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Is the right making a deal out of this or just Fly Rod?

just went to fox news and newsmax, nada.

No big deal to me. Only blogged what I heard on the news early, early today. They that are making a big deal out of it are those that have responded more then once. And if you notice it is the same people that repeat, repeat, repeat. People must be bored.

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I find it amusing that Brian googled to see if Bush went. It amazes me that the left sets all standards by what Bush did or didn't do.
Or he was searching to see if there is any precedent... which there is not.

I'd be more apt to accept people's criticisms if the President before Obama (regardless of who he was) always gave a speech at Ground Zero.

Like I said, NYC isn't the only place where people died.
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I find it amusing that Brian googled to see if Bush went. It amazes me that the left sets all standards by what Bush did or didn't do.
Considering that President Bush is the only POTUS other than Obama to lead the nation after 9/11 I see your point.

It makes no sense what so ever.

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Can we get back to the original point; that is the hypocrisy of the right making a deal out of this? If BHO follows GWB's lead, he'll be there next year for the 10th.
Actually I made it quite clear I thought.
You can't get mad at THIS president for his 9/11 remembrance if the PREVIOUS president did the same thing, unless you were mad at the previous president.

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Considering that President Bush is the only POTUS other than Obama to lead the nation after 9/11 I see your point.

It makes no sense what so ever.

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I wasn't being case specific.
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I don't think he should go, he should go to the Pentagon and PA
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With what exactly? The way the state has voted the last 20 years, the number of Dem Reps they have or that he has more to lose politically by going there than there is to gain?

This shouldn't be about politics. This should be about honoring and remembering people that died on a day that is instead now used for political leverage and political debate. He burns dinosaur fuel vacationing all over the country, let him go to NY and the Pentagon on the same day.

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I don't think he should go, he should go to the Pentagon and PA
I think he's on vacation anyways.
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I wasn't being case specific.
My post was sarcastic.

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This shouldn't be about politics.
I think the Internet has influenced a lot of this. With the rise of blogs and sites like Drudge, you have an uncontrolled stream of instant information often with little real integrity. Regardless, it can he highly influential and simply too tempting to not take advantage of by people on all sides.

And while both parties certainly do it, I've always thought that the Right was much more effective.

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