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Old 09-13-2010, 07:52 AM   #1
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The right to vote

Should people who receive money from the taxpayers have the right to vote?
Shouldn't there be some sort of conflict of interest?
I mean think about it, the more people on the public dole the better for the politicians that need their vote. If I was the party in control and wanted to ensure my parties reelection I would increase the number of people who benefit from other peoples money which would ensure their support. It seems to me that the politicians are not looking out for the good of the country as a whole but just looking to ensure that they can retain power at the expense of others.
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Old 09-13-2010, 08:43 AM   #2
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It seems to me that the politicians are not looking out for the good of the country as a whole but just looking to ensure that they can retain power at the expense of others.
like legalizing "illegal aliens" of which 99% will support Democrats?
WE've posted before that were are very, very close in this country to having all of the taxes paid by the minority of voters. So basically you pay the bills and have no majoirty voice!

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Old 09-13-2010, 09:28 AM   #3
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Maybe there should be a test for voter registration, to at least guarantee that the voter knows what he/she is voting for and why?
Unfortunately we have too many people that vote as a sort of popularity contest, not as a means of obtaining the best for the people. The politicians are no better, since they ALL lower their standards and pander to whoever will give them their vote.

Maybe the next politician that utters the immortal words "No new taxes!" should be kicked in the crotch and given a "swirley" in a port-pottie!

We need to make sure that voters are informed and not just led to the polls like sheep to the slaughter house!
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Maybe there should be a test for voter registration, to at least guarantee that the voter knows what he/she is voting for and why?
Unfortunately we have too many people that vote as a sort of popularity contest, not as a means of obtaining the best for the people. The politicians are no better, since they ALL lower their standards and pander to whoever will give them their vote.

Maybe the next politician that utters the immortal words "No new taxes!" should be kicked in the crotch and given a "swirley" in a port-pottie!

We need to make sure that voters are informed and not just led to the polls like sheep to the slaughter house!
then we would be discriminating against dumb people

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Old 09-13-2010, 10:18 AM   #5
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its America....every citizen over the age of 18 has the right to a vote....period

not even debatable...

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Should people who receive money from the taxpayers have the right to vote?
Shouldn't there be some sort of conflict of interest?
I think you should add corporate CEO's and lobbyists to the list then, if they're in industries that negatively impact the environment add their entire families.

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Old 09-13-2010, 10:54 AM   #7
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then we would be discriminating against dumb people
OK, so we let them vote..... for something like "What flavor of Slim-Jim goes best with cheap beer?" or "When dating relatives, how soon is too soon to announce your engagement?" or maybe "Whose huntin' dog has the pretty face?"

Since proof of citizenship is no longer verified for voting, why not have a questionaire with questions you would have to answer when applying for citizenship? It could potentially solve 2 problems at one time!

As I have said before, "Let the campaign circus begin!"
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Nope ,unfortunately the leches and layabouts who drain more from the country than they contribute definitely have a right to vote as well. I am sure our founding fathers never envisioned a mass of people living off the hard work and sacrifices of others or the constitution would have definitely looked a lot different. And I know they would be horrified by the size and current exponential growth of the government. Use your vote in November wisely.

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Old 09-13-2010, 11:58 AM   #9
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with all of the dead people and illegal aliens that vote for democrats each election cycle, it really wouldn't be fair to tell any legally eligible citizen that they can't vote.....
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Old 09-13-2010, 02:03 PM   #10
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Yup, all American citizens have a rigth to vote, just require last years tax return as proof of citizenship when registering.
Two birds with one stone.

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Old 09-13-2010, 02:52 PM   #11
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its America....every citizen over the age of 18 has the right to a vote....period

not even debatable...
I agree.
However, Ma. Aholes have fought the Feds, tooth and nail to restrict the right of our men and women over seas their right to vote.

Vote them out
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Nope ,unfortunately the leches and layabouts who drain more from the country than they contribute definitely have a right to vote as well. I am sure our founding fathers never envisioned a mass of people living off the hard work and sacrifices of others or the constitution would have definitely looked a lot different. And I know they would be horrified by the size and current exponential growth of the government. Use your vote in November wisely.

So everyone who gets back more than they contribute can't vote?? You've just knocked 50% of the voting pop. out.

If I pay more in taxes than you, am I suppose to consider you a leach?
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If I pay more in taxes than you, am I suppose to consider you a leach?
My father was upset when he heard that Medicare Advantage was under fire in the new health bill. I did explain to him that Medicare Advantage participants actually received a higher share of taxpayer dollars...

He's a leech too.

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Old 09-13-2010, 04:01 PM   #14
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Yup, all American citizens have a rigth to vote, just require last years tax return as proof of citizenship when registering.
Two birds with one stone.
Having a tax return doesn't make you a citizen...it just means you've paid your taxes!

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So everyone who gets back more than they contribute can't vote?? You've just knocked 50% of the voting pop. out.

If I pay more in taxes than you, am I suppose to consider you a leach?
Did you even read my post? I said everyone has the right to vote whether we like it or not. I do have a problem with the amount I am taxed and to whom that money goes. That is my problem and I will vote accordingly.

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Having a tax return doesn't make you a citizen...it just means you've paid your taxes!

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And in addition a return requires you to have a Social Security # which can only be obtained by a US citizen or LAWFULLY admitted citizen.

Citizen tax payer or filer.

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Old 09-14-2010, 06:54 AM   #17
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Did you even read my post? I said everyone has the right to vote whether we like it or not. I do have a problem with the amount I am taxed and to whom that money goes. That is my problem and I will vote accordingly.


The question was "Should people who receive money from the taxpayers have the right to vote?"

Your response was "nope, unfortunately...."

I guess writing isn't your strong suit.
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The question was "Should people who receive money from the taxpayers have the right to vote?"

Your response was "nope, unfortunately...."

I guess writing isn't your strong suit.
**** arrogant a$$ alert ********

just letting ya know how you come across on the web

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Old 09-14-2010, 08:59 AM   #19
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Every citizen has the right to vote. No. Questions. Asked.

Assuming proof of citizenship.

Can anyone give me a rational answer on why there is no proof of citizenship needed to vote?

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Old 09-14-2010, 09:24 AM   #20
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**** arrogant a$$ alert ********

just letting ya know how you come across on the web
If you are going to be the arrogant a$$ police....make sure you ticket everybody

Plenty of offenders floating around here....

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**** arrogant a$$ alert ********

just letting ya know how you come across on the web
I respond in kind. Asking someone if they read the post was trying to be demeaning.

Just as you haven't been calling people moron lately and Scott has seemed to have toned down his insults, I haven't been telling people their classless.
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I respond in kind. Asking someone if they read the post was trying to be demeaning.

Just as you haven't been calling people moron lately and Scott has seemed to have toned down his insults, I haven't been telling people their classless.
how did I get dragged into this
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Every citizen has the right to vote. No. Questions. Asked.

Assuming proof of citizenship.

Can anyone give me a rational answer on why there is no proof of citizenship needed to vote?


Not a rational answer, except maybe a political one,
but I think we have come to a point where a permanent photo citizen voting ID card needs to be shown at the voting booth along with signing the registration ledger.

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If you are going to be the arrogant a$$ police....make sure you ticket everybody

Plenty of offenders floating around here....
no no - PaulS has commented before on how he comes across on the web and I was just highlighting an example. This was not a random reply

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Maybe when one party has gotten all the people who benefit from them to support only their party forming a majority the other parties will just cease to exist. Then there will be only one party and we will have to figure out who is the wolf in sheep's clothing, which is what I would like to see now...No party affiliation and majority rules, and then you wouldn't have the one party fighting the other; so something may actually get done and all of the reaching across the isle BS would end.
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how did I get dragged into this
Can't you view my post as saying I think your posts are now classy?

And I have no problem needing to prove your a citizen to register.
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Maybe when one party has gotten all the people who benefit from them to support only their party forming a majority the other parties will just cease to exist. Then there will be only one party and we will have to figure out who is the wolf in sheep's clothing, which is what I would like to see now...No party affiliation and majority rules, and then you wouldn't have the one party fighting the other; so something may actually get done and all of the reaching across the isle BS would end.
I think the party system is stupid, I hope the rise of the independents drives a change in the system

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Not a rational answer, except maybe a political one,
but I think we have come to a point where a permanent photo citizen voting ID card needs to be shown at the voting booth along with signing the registration ledger.

Best response yet.

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Can anyone give me a rational answer on why there is no proof of citizenship needed to vote?
yes, because democrats have worked very hard in the districts under their control to identify and keep dead people and others on the voter rolls so that illegal aliens and college students, felons and others can be bussed in and vote multiple times for democrats...

or...minorities and the poor would be hardest hit if there were a requirement to show some form of ID in order to vote...

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The question was "Should people who receive money from the taxpayers have the right to vote?"

Your response was "nope, unfortunately...."

I guess writing isn't your strong suit.
The question was two part, and the pertinant part was whether there was a conflict of interst in their inherent right to vote. I said "nope" there was not. They legally have a right to vote.

I'll leave your critique of my writing skills alone. I am confident they are strong enough for the message boards.

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