Charlottesville

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

so you Trump supporters, who love to post links, complete transcripts of the latest news conference and spout what has been so wrong for so long, you don't have to convince me we need change; I just don't see this guy being the answer.

This is what I love about this forum. A thread about the Charlottesville riot and arguing about Trumps inability to lead, someone says they didn't see the presidents comments. I post the Press Conference so he can see said comments....BOOM!!!! TRUMP SUPPORTER!!!

Sorry I thought that the actual comments said were relevant to the conversation, and the actual timeline of events might be important as well.

Carry On....

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

This is what I love about this forum. A thread about the Charlottesville riot and arguing about Trumps inability to lead, someone says they didn't see the presidents comments. I post the Press Conference so he can see said comments....BOOM!!!! TRUMP SUPPORTER!!!

Sorry I thought that the actual comments said were relevant to the conversation, and the actual timeline of events might be important as well.

Carry On....

I stated someone might not have seen the interview, never asked to see it word for word. My problem with Trump isn't with what he said, it's for what he didn't say at the very beginning. You can point out people from both sides did wrong, but not taking that initial oportunity to call a spade a spade is why I think he just isn't the leader many (even his own party are scratching their heads on this one) had hoped he might evolve into.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

The same folks who condemn The Cheato for not using strong enough language regarding the latest struggle were silent when Obama refused to single out radical Islamic terrorism. Funny how convenient it becomes when it suits the agenda ..
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Well that is not fair. Everyone knows Obama, the pillar of repeatable integrity, would quickly call out terrorism when it was likely/possibly Islamic Extremism at the last possible moment, just like when police officers act stupidly. But then again, it really is not fair to cherry pick examples like I just did.

Originally Posted by wdmso

Funny some people are more upset over Kaepernick .. And I see no support for him exercising his 1st Amendment rights .. but Nazis thats different ... the problem is you thought this was never a problem .. theses people have always been around in the shadows as I said some blame O for BLM but wont hold the Cheeto same standard ..

1A is not that and you know better. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

Kaepernick was not arrested nor detained. He has been praised by some, criticized by others, as a result of his actions. Like the Nazis, CK was exercising his 1A rights - should he be denied them? If he chooses not to be peaceful, and same for Nazis or Antifa, he should be considered a candidate for arrest and charges.

Nazis, WhiteNats, as abhorrent as they are, do have the right under the Constitution to peacefully assemble and they were doing their "redress of grievances". The same rights that BLM, World Without Police, and the Antifa Communists that ironically would impose a state that prevents freedom of speech and liberty.

When we allow politicians and groups with agendas to start picking and choosing what citizens are offered Constitutional protection and what citizens are not, we have failed.

Originally Posted by scottw

were they protesting in the name of Christ?...musta missed that

Some were protesting that way and some have that as part of their core belief.

[boot man]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

This is what I love about this forum. A thread about the Charlottesville riot and arguing about Trumps inability to lead, someone says they didn't see the presidents comments. I post the Press Conference so he can see said comments....BOOM!!!! TRUMP SUPPORTER!!!

Sorry I thought that the actual comments said were relevant to the conversation, and the actual timeline of events might be important as well.

Carry On....

You didn't know you were being set up? That's why I told him to watch for himself. He was looking for someone to report their opinion so he could attack it. No one did. But you posted next. As I tell my kids, I hope you learned from that mistake. Go in peace.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by boot man

You didn't know you were being set up? That's why I told him to watch for himself. He was looking for someone to report their opinion so he could attack it. No one did. But you posted next. As I tell my kids, I hope you learned from that mistake. Go in peace.
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Jim didn't say boo about it, not sure how that was a setup. Guy says he was camping, didn't see it. I showed him.

How is that a setup.

Strange rules in this twisted universe
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by boot man

You didn't know you were being set up? That's why I told him to watch for himself. He was looking for someone to report their opinion so he could attack it. No one did. But you posted next. As I tell my kids, I hope you learned from that mistake. Go in peace.
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I was looking for someone to show me a clip, or a transcript, that could rationally lead one to conclude that Trump supported the Nazis. TDF posted the transcript. I saw zilch in there that could be reasonably be interpreted, as defense of bigotry. I saw the opposite. And I do not like Trump one bit. But I am fair about it.

How did I set TDF up? What did I do with what he posted? Did I use it against him? I read it, and concluded that if Trump says "I condemn bigotry and violence" 35 times, I conclude he's therefore not a Nazi sympathizer. If Trump says "I condemn bigotry", and everyone on the left hears "I like bigotry", I think that's your problem, not his problem.