Staggering COVID-19 Statistic: 98% to 99% of Americans Dying are Unvaccinated

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

but you’re not angry.

you’re right, not many of us can contribute information as useful and absolutely crucial as the Missouri state legislature having members being impolite to each other. i mean, how can we function without that information?

let’s all step aside and make room for you.

call him a retard next, to show us how angry everyone is except you.
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I only use that word to point out the hypocrisy of all the Rs who laughed at Trump mocking a handicapped reporter. I guess I have the handicapped back while the Rs have no problem w/Trump mocking the guy.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I’m not the one applying the grease paint pretty heavy today.
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But you never say ANYTHING constructive other to point out typos or to mock certain people's posts.

So you don't add anything worthwhile.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But you never say ANYTHING constructive other to point out typos or to mock certain people's posts.

So you don't add anything worthwhile.

I know, because this forum is just the epitome of rational conversation and constructive dialog
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I only use that word to point out the hypocrisy of all the Rs who laughed at Trump mocking a handicapped reporter. I guess I have the handicapped back while the Rs have no problem w/Trump mocking the guy.

trump is known for
making fun of people’s appearance, which is awful.

however, and you know this, there’s video tape of trump over the years, using the same exact physical
gestures to make fun of other people ( not handicapped) who were critical of him. it’s on tape. so it’s likely that he had no idea the guy is special needs, and rather that’s just Trumps. stupid, juvenile way to make fun of everyone who criticizes him.

but the left ignores that.

using the word retard, is pretty disgusting. and very revealing. have fun being in the small group of people who don’t see anything wrong with it.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I know, because this forum is just the epitome of rational conversation and constructive dialog
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just stay outta my lane...I'm warning you!

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

trump is known for
making fun of people’s appearance, which is awful.

however, and you know this, there’s video tape of trump over the years, using the same exact physical
gestures to make fun of other people ( not handicapped) who were critical of him. it’s on tape. so it’s likely that he had no idea the guy is special needs, and rather that’s just Trumps. stupid, juvenile way to make fun of everyone who criticizes him.

but the left ignores that.

using the word retard, is pretty disgusting. and very revealing. have fun being in the small group of people who don’t see anything wrong with it.
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Give me a break on Trump. Everyone knows he was mocking the handicapped. That was a well known mock to represent the handicap the reporter had and had nothing to do with the reporters appearance.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. I save it for the #^&#^&#^&#^&e hole you helped create here with your constant insults. Some of the things you have said here are unbelievable. But it is ok when you do it.

Did you notice how the whole tone of this forum changed when you ran away for 6 months?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But you never say ANYTHING constructive other to point out typos or to mock certain people's posts.

So you don't add anything worthwhile.

don't wear your skinny jeans to Missouri...they will mock you

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Bruce, People have completely lost their minds over this. I have a friend who actually thinks it would be acceptable to turn someone away from an emergency room if they’re not vaccinated. My jaw hit the floor on that one.
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i’d be genuinely interested to hear your take on this.

i have a sister in law,,my brothers wife. for whatever reason, her immune system is vulnerable to covid.

She caught covid early on, head it bad, was in the hospital for 8 days. Not long after, they tested her for antibodies, she had none. Not a good sign.

She got her first vaccine dose, got very very sick, spent two days in the hospital. Again, they tested her after, she had no antibodies. Her body just doesn’t like to keep the antibodies. she was an ER nurse at Yale, she had to retire, was too dangerous, she was too vulnerable to covid and too likely to have a severe case if infected.

Couple of months ago, she caught covid again. They wanted her to get on a course of monoclonal antibodies, but none were available. Their entire stock was being dispensed to a couple dozen patients who were also very sick, and every single one of them was unvaccinated

She was again hospitalized for about a week, until monoclonal
antibodies were available. As soon a she’s started that treatment, she recovered very very quickly.

Now, if those patients all had gotten the vaccine, it’s virtually certain that some of them would not have required hospitalization, therefore there’d have been monoclonal antibodies available for my sister in law. she could have died while
waiting.

i would never ever say the unvaccinated don’t deserve medical treatment. But when i hear the unvaccinated say “ my choice is none of your business”, well, i think of my sister in law, and it’s pretty certain that their choice had a serious and negative impact on her.

anyway, you know that i consider you one of the fair and middle of the road guys here. i’d be curious to know what you think, and don’t worry about disagreeing with me, i have thick skin and i initiated this.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’d be genuinely interested to hear your take on this.

i have a sister in law,,my brothers wife. for whatever reason, her immune system is vulnerable to covid.

She caught covid early on, head it bad, was in the hospital for 8 days. Not long after, they tested her for antibodies, she had none. Not a good sign.

She got her first vaccine dose, got very very sick, spent two days in the hospital. Again, they tested her after, she had no antibodies. Her body just doesn’t like to keep the antibodies. she was an ER nurse at Yale, she had to retire, was too dangerous, she was too vulnerable to covid and too likely to have a severe case if infected.

Couple of months ago, she caught covid again. They wanted her to get on a course of monoclonal antibodies, but none were available. Their entire stock was being dispensed to a couple dozen patients who were also very sick, and every single one of them was unvaccinated

She was again hospitalized for about a week, until monoclonal
antibodies were available. As soon a she’s started that treatment, she recovered very very quickly.

Now, if those patients all had gotten the vaccine, it’s virtually certain that some of them would not have required hospitalization, therefore there’d have been monoclonal antibodies available for my sister in law. she could have died while
waiting.

i would never ever say the unvaccinated don’t deserve medical treatment. But when i hear the unvaccinated say “ my choice is none of your business”, well, i think of my sister in law, and it’s pretty certain that their choice had a serious and negative impact on her.

anyway, you know that i consider you one of the fair and middle of the road guys here. i’d be curious to know what you think, and don’t worry about disagreeing with me, i have thick skin and i initiated this.
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I would say the issue is that they need to work on increasing the availability of monoclonal antibodies.

My biggest concern on my buddy’s take is that I don’t want people making a judgement call, at the point of emergency, on whether you deserve to have your life saved because of your vaccine status.

You save their life, period, that’s your job in the ER. After that, then issues can be addressed.

The guy that can’t get the heart transplant because of his refusal to get vaccinated, I feel bad for him and his family, but it’s a stupid stand to take. There are all kinds of medical requirements for organ transplants, if being vaccinated is one of them, so be it.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I would say the issue is that they need to work on increasing the availability of monoclonal antibodies.

My biggest concern on my buddy’s take is that I don’t want people making a judgement call, at the point of emergency, on whether you deserve to have your life saved because of your vaccine status.

You save their life, period, that’s your job in the ER. After that, then issues can be addressed.

The guy that can’t get the heart transplant because of his refusal to get vaccinated, I feel bad for him and his family, but it’s a stupid stand to take. There are all kinds of medical requirements for organ transplants, if being vaccinated is one of them, so be it.
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absolutely they need to make them
more available.

and i agree with you about the guy who needs the trans a t but won’t get vaccinated. stupid.

thanks.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

absolutely they need to make them
more available.

and i agree with you about the guy who needs the trans a t but won’t get vaccinated. stupid.

thanks.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

When you get a chance, can you leave me a review, so Paul knows I added something to the conversation
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i’ll put it on yelp.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

When you get a chance, can you leave me a review, so Paul knows I added something to the conversation
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👍
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[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

keep doing it and ignore the flak.

the entire media ignored John’s Hopkins study that lockdowns were useless, and they don’t want to talk about natural immunity.
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correct Jim, and now the results show nothing gained from lockdowns, I do understand in the beginning 2 weeks were needed to keep hospitals from being inundated but we got past that. There should be no need to mandate vaccines to the point of people having to make a choice between earning a living wage or to risk the cure being worse than the disease. There are plenty of examples of people who got way sicker or died from getting the vaccines, if people like some on this site deny that then it is quite obvious who they listen to. How can anyone question why someone chooses not to get an experimental vaccine and not understand their trepidation?

as far as ignoring the flak, only way I see certain flak is when you quote him. been years since I listen to the spew from someone of that caliber pun intended

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Bruce, People have completely lost their minds over this. I have a friend who actually thinks it would be acceptable to turn someone away from an emergency room if they’re not vaccinated. My jaw hit the floor on that one.
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Yes Kevin they have. How can someone on the transplant list be taken off when they qualify in every way yet not vaccinated gets them removed? There is no logical explanation to do that to someone.
I lost a lot of respect for a friend who told me something similar to your friend. Something like if you don't get the vaccine and are sick and dying in the hospital maybe your god will save you, basically that vaccinated should be priority above the sub-humans that have a properly working immune system and made the choice that they don't want to be compromised by an experimental unproven(even though the money makers say it is safe)vaccine. You're gonna need an aluminum bowl not tinfoil to avoid the mind games going on with this pandemic.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

correct Jim, and now the results show nothing gained from lockdowns, I do understand in the beginning 2 weeks were needed to keep hospitals from being inundated but we got past that. There should be no need to mandate vaccines to the point of people having to make a choice between earning a living wage or to risk the cure being worse than the disease. There are plenty of examples of people who got way sicker or died from getting the vaccines, if people like some on this site deny that then it is quite obvious who they listen to. How can anyone question why someone chooses not to get an experimental vaccine and not understand their trepidation?

as far as ignoring the flak, only way I see certain flak is when you quote him. been years since I listen to the spew from someone of that caliber pun intended

Really where do you get your facts? The vaccine is FDA approved, it’s far from some experimental drug and “plenty” of examples of people getting really sick and dying, the percentage of serious health issues or deaths from the vaccine is minuscule when you factor in the millions who have been vaccinated. Over 900,000 dead and that’s with the high vaccination numbers we have now, records indicate the unvaccinated are ten times likely to die of Covid. If we didn’t have the ability to come up with this vaccine, what death toll are you comfortable with to get to that herd immunity, would that be 1-2 million and how many much more deadly variants might have developed along the way?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Really where do you get your facts? The vaccine is FDA approved

"One of the most significant ways the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates drug safety is through recalls. When an approved drug is later found to have significant health risks or potential for harm, the FDA is obligated to take action to protect public health. "

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

"One of the most significant ways the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates drug safety is through recalls. When an approved drug is later found to have significant health risks or potential for harm, the FDA is obligated to take action to protect public health. "

where do you get your facts?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

records indicate the unvaccinated are ten times likely to die of Covid.

this is a misleading statement...

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

"One of the most significant ways the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates drug safety is through recalls. When an approved drug is later found to have significant health risks or potential for harm, the FDA is obligated to take action to protect public health. "

Thanks #^&#^&#^&#^& Tracy, are you in the loop are they recalling the vaccine, please impress us once more.
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[Got Stripers]

Rewind, no vaccine anywhere, no lockdown in any country and you have the makings of a great sci-fi movie.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Rewind, no vaccine anywhere, no lockdown in any country and you have the makings of a great sci-fi movie.
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johns hopkins says the lockdowns didn’t do much. but you know better then the scientists at john’s hopkins.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

johns hopkins says the lockdowns didn’t do much. but you know better then the scientists at john’s hopkins.
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1 study ! Was it peer reviewed? and as if on cue the conspiracy hats go on .. Typical nonsense you people are like a drowning victim you latch on to what you think will safe you

It’s sad but comical
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

1 study ! Was it peer reviewed? and as if on cue the conspiracy hats go on .. Typical nonsense you people are like a drowning victim you latch on to what you think will safe you

It’s sad but comical
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one study by john’s hopkins, which all the places you get your news from, won’t touch.z

you make up a quote, put it in quotes, claim it’s from “the base”. and the clown who does that, can pooh pooh a study by john’s hopkins university. more accurately i guess,,work by some folks at the university, not official university policy.

wdmso, if lockdowns worked, then states that kicked down would have the lowest death rates. they don’t.

explain that.

here’s a free hint, you can’t explain it away with fabricating a fake quote.

Florida has the nations second-highest elderly population, and they didn’t lock down as severely as many states. Why isn’t their death toll the highest in the nation by far? it’s a disease that targets the elderly.
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[Pete F.]

Vermont did lock down, has an elderly population that’s within one percent of Floriduh’s and has one of the lowest Covid death rates and is recovering very well economically.


More people have died from Covid in Floriduh than any states other than California and Texas

Great Job DeathSantis
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Vermont did lock down, has an elderly population that’s within one percent of Floriduh’s and has one of the lowest Covid death rates and is recovering very well economically.


More people have died from Covid in Floriduh than any states other than California and Texas

Great Job DeathSantis
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i think i NY is a slightly more apples to apples comparison of size and population?

We all know why you picked VT.

VT also has school
choice. You support that?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i think i NY is a slightly more apples to apples comparison of size and population?

We all know why you picked VT.

VT also has school
choice. You support that?
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Floriduh has been doing worse than NYS for a long time

No
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[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

johns hopkins says the lockdowns didn’t do much. but you know better then the scientists at john’s hopkins.
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So... One faculty was from John Hopkins, that doesn't mean 'John Hopkins Says'. Also, note the authors were economists, not public health professionals, epidemiologists, virologists etc... That doesn't invalidate it but I would have liked to see a more diverse background of authors on a meta analysis of this type...

So, then why is this one (flawed) meta analysis is making the rounds today as the proof that lock downs didn't work....

A "Meta Analysis" that used 34 studies (out of the thousands that have been done) examining these approaches to the mandates.

A meta analysis that limited studies so they were only by economists, political scientists AND NOT epidemiologists, virologists and other public health backgrounds.

A meta analysis that lumped 'lock downs' to include almost any mandate (masking, capacity limits, restaurants closing early etc..) and also not 'when' these 'lock downs' were implemented

Now why would these authors of this meta analysis (and yes, I keep restating the type of study for a reason) limit it to those few studies and lump everything together as a 'lock down'...

Perhaps to get the answer the study authors wanted?

And perhaps it is making the rounds this week because of confirmation bias?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

More people have died from Covid in Floriduh than any states other than California and Texas

Great Job DeathSantis

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worldometer current

New York is 6th in deaths per million pop.
Florida is 18th

total deaths

California 81.428
Texas 81.028
New York 66,157
Florida 66,007


you are such a dishonest clown...what is your nickname for the death capitol governor of California?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Now why would these authors of this meta analysis (and yes, I keep restating the type of study for a reason) limit it to those few studies and lump everything together as a 'lock down'...

probably like calling every death a covid death even if someone died from something else but happened to have covid