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Old 06-21-2020, 08:47 AM   #1
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You're on it also. I'll take Rick on my team any day. You can polish my copper pans.
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I guess you are OK with that. Not surprised in the least.
I think what she says or believes is largely irrelevant at this point.
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Be careful about who is leading you and where you are being led goes for both sides.

"An essential step in the fascist march to acceptance and power was to persuade law-and-order conservatives and members of the middle class to tolerate fascist violence as a harsh necessity in the face of Left provocation."

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Be careful about who is leading you and where you are being led goes for both sides.

"An essential step in the fascist march to acceptance and power was to persuade law-and-order conservatives and members of the middle class to tolerate fascist violence as a harsh necessity in the face of Left provocation."

Robert O. Paxton, "The Anatomy of Fascism"
Fascism is used by most regular folks as a buzzword for government they don't like. Orwell realized years ago that for most there was no specific meaning to the word. Rather, it is a word loosely used to name some form of authoritarianism.

From the various dictionary definitions of Fascism that I've read, between Progressivism and Constitutionalism, Progressivism is the form of government more likely to lead to fascism.

That said, for me, it is not about, in America, between Fascism and freedom, or between Fascism and Democracy, it is the battle we are having, at this moment, between Progressivism and Constitutionalism. Those are more easily defined than Fascism, and more accurately what it is about.
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Fascism is used by most regular folks as a buzzword for government they don't like. Orwell realized years ago that for most there was no specific meaning to the word. Rather, it is a word loosely used to name some form of authoritarianism.

From the various dictionary definitions of Fascism that I've read, between Progressivism and Constitutionalism, Progressivism is the form of government more likely to lead to fascism.

That said, for me, it is not about, in America, between Fascism and freedom, or between Fascism and Democracy, it is the battle we are having, at this moment, between Progressivism and Constitutionalism. Those are more easily defined than Fascism, and more accurately what it is about.
Sounds like Jonah Goldberg has been leading you down the primrose path and now you, like poor Jonah, have become a victim of the Progressives, who in his belief are similar to Mussolini.
I do think his definition of fascism, while incorrect, is interesting and certainly applicable at least in part to the current regime.
“Fascism is a religion of the state. It assumes the organic unity of the body politic and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people.
It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve that common good.
It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure.
Everything, including the economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is part of the "problem" and therefore defined as the enemy.”

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a religion of the state. It assumes the organic unity of the body politic and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people.
It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve that common good.
It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure.
Everything, including the economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is part of the "problem" and therefore defined as the enemy.”
modern progressivism...totalitarianism which isn't all that different from 30's progressives who were quite enamored with the european national socialists and folks like mussolini
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modern progressivism...totalitarianism which isn't all that different from 30's progressives who were quite enamored with the european national socialists and folks like mussolini
Pete doesn't seem to understand what the foundation of political Progressivism is. Perhaps, he is enamored of the name itself. Progress is good . . . right? If your name is Progressive, you must be good . . . your name says so. Just like ANTIFA. Anti-Fascist. With that name, you've got to be good.
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Pete doesn't seem to understand what the foundation of political Progressivism is. Perhaps, he is enamored of the name itself. Progress is good . . . right? If your name is Progressive, you must be good . . . your name says so. Just like ANTIFA. Anti-Fascist. With that name, you've got to be good.
“Fascism is a religion of the state. It assumes the organic unity of the body politic and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people. I am The Chosen One
It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve that common good.
Lafayette Square cleared of protesters exercising their First Amendment rights
It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure.
Only I can Make America Great Again
Everything, including the economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is part of the "problem" and therefore defined as the enemy.”
The Do Nothing Democrats and their leader, the Fake News Lamestream Media, are doing everything possible to hurt and disparage our Country. No matter what we do or say, no matter how big a win, they report that it was a loss, or not good enough. The Enemy of the People! [Twitter for iPhone]

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Sounds like Jonah Goldberg has been leading you down the primrose path and now you, like poor Jonah, have become a victim of the Progressives, who in his belief are similar to Mussolini.

I wasn't aware of his definition of fascism. Once again, you got it wrong. I'm not on a primrose path (do you know the definition of primrose path?), and certainly not on a path led by Jonah Goldberg. I'm older than he is, and been on my own path long before I heard of Jonah Goldberg. You have, a few times, queried me about things like if someone was my guru, or who I followed. Is that projection on your part? Are your opinions formed by depending on some kind of mentor or pathfinder? You do seem to read a lot of opinion pieces and sometimes lean in contradictory or unresolved ways depending on who you've read.

It would be interesting to hear specifically what your political philosophy is.

And yes, as Scott pointed out in his above post, there were affinities between Progressives and Mussolini.

And if you trace the origins of American Progressivism, you will find it rooted in the authoritarianism of late 19th century German and French regimes.


I do think his definition of fascism, while incorrect, is interesting and certainly applicable at least in part to the current regime.
“Fascism is a religion of the state. It assumes the organic unity of the body politic and longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people.

That is "applicable at least in part" to most regimes.

It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political and holds that any action by the state is justified to achieve that common good.

This is basic, fundamental, "textbook" Progressive political philosophy--essentially what early Progressives Like Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt (first Progressive Presidents) and the leading academic Progressives of the time openly advocated.

It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including our health and well-being, and seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action, whether by force or through regulation and social pressure.

Again, right out of the original Progressive play books.

Everything, including the economy and religion, must be aligned with its objectives. Any rival identity is part of the "problem" and therefore defined as the enemy.”
Pretty much what American Progressives believed from the start, openly then, deceitfully now.
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It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political
and the state is the religion of the left...sooooo

yes it makes me sick that the left is turning our youth into little mis-informed political activists
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some good news...they caught the white supremacist who painted swastikas on grave stones at PC and tried to set the place on fire creating all sorts of angst and cries against racism and white privledge


Police identified the man as Keveon Gomera, 26. According to court records, he was arraigned Tuesday on 15 counts of desecration of a grave, a felony, and a count of felony assault.

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maybe it's me...but he really doesn't look like a white supremacist
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Our people are stronger. And our people are smarter. And we are the elite. We are the elite," Trump said during the event

And your worried about a powerless no elected women who used or suggested the term Marxist..

But are able to see Trumps words or actions as acceptable ..

Who was trump referring when he said.. our people
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And your worried about a powerless no elected women who used or suggested the term Marxist..

But are able to see Trumps words or actions as acceptable ..

Who was trump referring when he said.. our people
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somebody call the police!!


Wisconsin state senator Tim Carpenter, a Democrat representing Milwaukee, attempted to film the protest and was attacked by demonstrators.

“Innocent people are going to get killed,” Carpenter wrote on Twitter. “Capitol locked- stuck in office. Stop violence now [please]!”



he should talk to his fellow travelers who are encouraging this behavior
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I think what she says or believes is largely irrelevant at this point.
Now that the Useful Idiots are out of the bag? I do believe you support Marxists.

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If you support Law and Order, you are a fascist. Therefore the only way to prevent Fascism is to go out and break everything.



Fascists like Bushhit&ler? Romney? We're all gonna die because of the Fascists of the right?

When you are in Occupy Wall Street, EVERYONE looks like a Fascists.

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And your worried about a powerless no elected women who used or suggested the term Marxist..

But are able to see Trumps words or actions as acceptable ..

Who was trump referring when he said.. our people
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Hahaha - A stupid man talking to cultish people that eat it up.

I see SOME of Trumps words as acceptable and I see a lot that are not. I see a lot of Left Politicians and Left Media (if you think the media does not benefit the left you are delusional "but ohh Fox") also twisting facts and history and willingly making crap up.

Now these same people are providing cover for extreme Marxists that want to blow sh1t up, Revolution Baby.

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“Innocent people are going to get killed,” Carpenter wrote on Twitter. “Capitol locked- stuck in office. Stop violence now [please]!”



he should talk to his fellow travelers who are encouraging this behavior
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Fascists like Bushhit&ler? Romney? We're all gonna die because of the Fascists of the right?

When you are in Occupy Wall Street, EVERYONE looks like a Fascists.
When the great majority by far of protests have been peaceful and the claims are made that you will no longer recognize this country if he is not reelected, then you need to stop and think about the man who is claiming that and what he has done.

When you use the force of the government to break up a peaceful demonstration, “fall in love” with Kim Jong-un, praise Rodrigo Duterte for extrajudicial murders, defend Vladimir Putin by suggesting that we are just as guilty of murdering our enemies as he, and give the green light to China to build concentration camps for a million innocent Uighurs, violate campaign finance laws by paying off a porn star, flout legal subpoenas from Congress and other duly constituted authorities looking into administration actions, abuse Article II power by dangling pardons to former associates facing criminal trials, encourage border officials to keep asylum seekers out in violation of law (again promising a pardon), unlawfully divert Defense Department funds to begin building a border wall, wrongly fire numerous inspectors general, and encourage police to rough up arrestees—among uncountable other violations. He has attempted to strong-arm an ally to invent lies about his domestic opposition, and begged for other foreign leaders to help his election prospects. His attorney general is diligently attempting to reward his friends and punish his (perceived) enemies—exactly what happens in corrupt dictatorships.

Call him whatever, his name will be written in history and it will be remembered for what he has done.

“There are times when you really need a president—and those are the ones that have forged our great presidents,” Doris Kearns Goodwin, the presidential historian, told me. “A crisis allows them to mobilize the country in ways that ordinary times do not. It’s not like a crisis allows you to become a great leader, but it offers the chance. It also offers the chance for great difficulty.”

He will be known as The Coronavirus President for his failure to lead.
We have the most cases, deaths and yesterday we set a new record for new cases. Good time to hold a rally in the state with the highest rate of rise.

Nobody is forced to work for, speak for, defend, explain, rationalize, or excuse this president and his incompetence, derangement, and racism. Whether to do any of that, or not, is a choice. And it’s a moral choice, a crucial one, both for individuals and this nation.

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This is the only Marxist I support, hold on to the nights John

She probably took an online class on how to be a Marxist = trained.
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When the great majority by far of protests have been peaceful and the claims are made that you will no longer recognize this country if he is not reelected, then you need to stop and think about the man who is claiming that and what he has done.

When you use the force of the government to break up a peaceful demonstration, “fall in love” with Kim Jong-un, praise Rodrigo Duterte for extrajudicial murders, defend Vladimir Putin by suggesting that we are just as guilty of murdering our enemies as he, and give the green light to China to build concentration camps for a million innocent Uighurs, violate campaign finance laws by paying off a porn star, flout legal subpoenas from Congress and other duly constituted authorities looking into administration actions, abuse Article II power by dangling pardons to former associates facing criminal trials, encourage border officials to keep asylum seekers out in violation of law (again promising a pardon), unlawfully divert Defense Department funds to begin building a border wall, wrongly fire numerous inspectors general, and encourage police to rough up arrestees—among uncountable other violations. He has attempted to strong-arm an ally to invent lies about his domestic opposition, and begged for other foreign leaders to help his election prospects. His attorney general is diligently attempting to reward his friends and punish his (perceived) enemies—exactly what happens in corrupt dictatorships.

Call him whatever, his name will be written in history and it will be remembered for what he has done.

“There are times when you really need a president—and those are the ones that have forged our great presidents,” Doris Kearns Goodwin, the presidential historian, told me. “A crisis allows them to mobilize the country in ways that ordinary times do not. It’s not like a crisis allows you to become a great leader, but it offers the chance. It also offers the chance for great difficulty.”

He will be known as The Coronavirus President for his failure to lead.
We have the most cases, deaths and yesterday we set a new record for new cases. Good time to hold a rally in the state with the highest rate of rise.

Nobody is forced to work for, speak for, defend, explain, rationalize, or excuse this president and his incompetence, derangement, and racism. Whether to do any of that, or not, is a choice. And it’s a moral choice, a crucial one, both for individuals and this nation.
The great majority of protest HAS been peaceful, Pete. I fully support people expressing their Fist Amendment rights. Hell, I fully support those people expressing their Second Amendment Rights, seeing a lot of the local Govs of those Urban Areas suppress those 2A rights of the citizens that live there.

I do not support the Riots and Looting and Destruction of the Public Square.

YOU keep blaming Trump Pete. Trump is the centerpiece of Everything you do and Everything you think. You seem willing to sacrifice anything and everything to get him.


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The great majority of protest HAS been peaceful, Pete. I fully support people expressing their Fist Amendment rights. Hell, I fully support those people expressing their Second Amendment Rights, seeing a lot of the local Govs of those Urban Areas suppress those 2A rights of the citizens that live there.

I do not support the Riots and Looting and Destruction of the Public Square.

YOU keep blaming Trump Pete. Trump is the centerpiece of Everything you do and Everything you think. You seem willing to sacrifice anything and everything to get him.
I think the 20 minutes a day I write posts on here worth it because

Nobody is forced to work for, speak for, defend, explain, rationalize, or excuse this president and his incompetence, derangement, and racism. Whether to do any of that, or not, is a choice. And it’s a moral choice, a crucial one, both for individuals and this nation.

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Nobody is forced to work for, speak for, defend, explain, rationalize, or excuse this president and his incompetence, derangement, and racism. Whether to do any of that, or not, is a choice. And it’s a moral choice, a crucial one, both for individuals and this nation.
Personally, the 20 minutes you spend copying and pasting other's work every day and then long screeds afterward might make you feel better, I usually just skip over it.

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