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Old 06-21-2019, 08:46 AM   #31
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:55 AM   #32
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Having a leader who doesnít read, doesnít like or believe what he hears in briefings, governs by tweet and even goes so far as to warn Iran we are about to strike is NOT how this situation gets diffused. IF that drone was downed in international airspace a strong president would have immediately responded militarily, Trump is a paper Twitter tiger, growls loudly, but has no claws or bite. He brought this on himself and he is clueless on how to deal with it. Middle East problems demand understanding, diplomacy and military strategy which escapes Trump across the board.
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weíve had every conceiveable kind
if president over my lifetime, none has done
anything to improve things there. so i can point to what all of them have done since jimmy carter, and what kind of president they were? and conclude that every single one of them failed miserable at getting Iran in line. weíve tried everything except invading, and nothing has worked ( not supporting invasion, just saying that intellectual
articulate presidents also failed regarding iran).

Letís not pretend Trump caused this, or that his personality is making it much worse than it was. theyíre a rogue state that sponsors terrorists and helps them kill innocent people. none of our presidents has changed that much.

obama tried to pay them off, howd that work out?

the problem isnít trump. itís iran. our friendship with israel, who Iran hates, makes it very tricky.
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Old 06-21-2019, 09:57 AM   #33
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we should draft condaleeza rice into service, and lock her in a room with the mullahs until they work it out.
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Old 06-21-2019, 10:22 AM   #34
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IF that drone was downed in international airspace a strong president would have immediately responded militarily, Trump is a paper Twitter tiger, growls loudly, but has no claws or bite.
I'm sure there's gamesmanship on both sides. Dialing in a retaliatory strike is easier said than done. As much as you can point to Iran's bad behavior the situation as it stands today was engineered to coerce concessions and Iran will likely be seen as being bullied regardless of what we do. That to a large degree is a product of the Trump admin's recent policy and driven by the Iran hawks he's given the keys to. I can't believe if Mattis was still Sec Def we'd be approaching the situation in the same manner.
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Old 06-21-2019, 10:27 AM   #35
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I'm sure there's gamesmanship on both sides. Dialing in a retaliatory strike is easier said than done. As much as you can point to Iran's bad behavior the situation as it stands today was engineered to coerce concessions and Iran will likely be seen as being bullied regardless of what we do. That to a large degree is a product of the Trump admin's recent policy and driven by the Iran hawks he's given the keys to. I can't believe if Mattis was still Sec Def we'd be approaching the situation in the same manner.
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myself missing Mattis and Condaleeza Rice.
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Old 06-21-2019, 01:19 PM   #36
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So Wayne, what is your recommendation for dealing with Iran?
Should have let the agreement play out.. we were dealing with them prior to Trump but Trump was more concerned with. Undoing anything Obama. Just to say he did ... and that's the real issue
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general trump is showing great restraint...if he'd retaliated the iranians would show pictures of dead women and children and then we'd have to listen to the democraps and media go on and on about how trump kills women and children...


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general trump is showing great restraint...if he'd retaliated the iranians would show pictures of dead women and children and then we'd have to listen to the democraps and media go on and on about how trump kills women and children...


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I agree with him 100% that the response would not have been proportional.. 1st presidential thing ever to come from his lips
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I agree with him 100% that the response would not have been proportional.. 1st presidential thing ever to come from his lips
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Having a leader who doesnít read, doesnít like or believe what he hears in briefings, governs by tweet and even goes so far as to warn Iran we are about to strike is NOT how this situation gets diffused. IF that drone was downed in international airspace a strong president would have immediately responded militarily, Trump is a paper Twitter tiger, growls loudly, but has no claws or bite. He brought this on himself and he is clueless on how to deal with it. Middle East problems demand understanding, diplomacy and military strategy which escapes Trump across the board.
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If it was a manned aircraft, yes. It was unmanned (one reason we use them) and the engagement level is lower than if it were manned.

So what is it? Is Trump dangerous because he is a war monger? Or is he more dangerous because he was not a war monger?

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If it was a manned aircraft, yes. It was unmanned (one reason we use them) and the engagement level is lower than if it were manned.

So what is it? Is Trump dangerous because he is a war monger? Or is he more dangerous because he was not a war monger?
bingo. if we
bombed those sites and killed some folks, the trump haters would
say he's bloodthirsty and should have tried diplomacy. because he showed restraint, the same
exact people
will say heís too soft. it doesnít matter what he does. the problem
is his existence, not what he does.
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Old 06-21-2019, 06:39 PM   #42
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So what is it? Is Trump dangerous because he is a war monger? Or is he more dangerous because he was not a war monger?
Dangerous because heís being played by war mongers and canít see beyond the next news cycle.
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But it looks like here he didn't get played by War Mongers. I am not a fan. We could have had a better pres.

BTW - the US may have launched new cyber attacks on Iran.

https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-secr...wer&soc_trk=tw

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he called off the strike. how is that getting played by the war
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Do you honestly believe anything they say?
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it's funny to see who the bitter clingers really are


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Who knows what the actual decisions were, but reporting now indicates Trump ordered the attack and possibly due to Boltonís advice and then senior pentagon officials may have gotten him to cancel. If thatís true and it certainly falls right into his playbook, is that a strong smart president, sits down with all the key people, weighs the pros and cons, then makes the call and sticks with it. This is typical reactionary Trump, hears from someone he likes and goes off quickly in that direction, walking things back is his MO.
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None of us do but I am sure you will make something up and cry wolf.
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Who knows what the actual decisions were, but reporting now indicates Trump ordered the attack and possibly due to Boltonís advice and then senior pentagon officials may have gotten him to cancel. If thatís true and it certainly falls right into his playbook, is that a strong smart president, sits down with all the key people, weighs the pros and cons, then makes the call and sticks with it. This is typical reactionary Trump, hears from someone he likes and goes off quickly in that direction, walking things back is his MO.
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it's impressive how you make everything fit your narrative


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Trump has a new slogan, make Iran great again🤪
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Next thing you know he will send them boatloads of money overnight. Cuz you know, they are good folks.
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Next thing you know he will send them boatloads of money overnight. Cuz you know, they are good folks.
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Had nothing to do with them being good folks.
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Of, that one hurt. Must have been a TDF-SD collaboration.
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Of, that one hurt. Must have been a TDF-SD collaboration.
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heís increasing sanctions, and he
let the Iranians know that it was very close to being worse for them. Trump has done things i can not stand. i think he handled this about as well as it could
have been handled.

he had a few options, and no matter what he did, the
liberals in the media would have attacked him for it, and you would have sucked it up
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what would
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I would rather he built a coalition, than send Pompeo after the fact to the Middle East to try and assemble one, or put one back together depending on your viewpoint.

America First (Alone) is not an example of good leadership.

Here's the countries that were in the Gulf War coalition and regardless of how you feel about the Gulf War, the diplomatic and military leadership was incredibly skilled. I don't see that happening with this President.

The Allied coalition was made up of 39 countries: Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Egypt, France, Germany, Greece, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Kuwait, Morocco, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Niger, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Syria, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States.

The US Department of Defense has estimated the incremental costs of the Gulf War at $61 billion, with US allies providing about $54 billion of that -- Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states covered $36 billion. Germany and Japan covered $16 billion.

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